China asked Zardari to act against East Turkistan Islamic Movement

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  1. Flint

    Flint Senior Member Senior Member

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    China asked Zardari to act against ETIM?

    Daily Times Monitor

    LONDON: China has called on Islamabad to take action against the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which it says may be plotting attacks into China from the Tribal Areas.

    In two meetings over recent months, senior Chinese officials have warned the Pakistani government about the threat. Chinese officials revealed details of the meetings to Mushahid Hussain, a former minister, during a visit to Central Asia.

    “They told me that the ETIM has its military headquarters in [the Tribal Areas] and is planning to attack China on the 60th anniversary celebration of the communist revolution in October,” said Mushahid. He said in February Meng Jianzhu, China’s minister for public security, flew from Beijing to Shanghai to discuss the threat with Zardari during his visit to China. “The minister met with him for 90 minutes to discuss this issue.” In March, said Mushahid, Beijing dispatched a special envoy to Islamabad to discuss the alleged threat posed by the ETIM.
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    China accussing it's ally of an insurgency?? LOL
     
  4. Avinash R

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    Spreading terror to every part of the world is pakistan's birth right, how can anyone deny them that right? China would be better served if it addresses "root causes" of the riots in East Turkestan.
     
  5. ppgj

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    China Questions Pak Nuclear Security

    By Bhaskar Roy

    October was one of the worst months for Pakistan. It suffered from a series of highly destructive terrorist attacks. Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leaders Hakimullah Mehsud delivered on his vow to hit even harder if the Pakistani government did not pull out of its co-operation with the USA in the war against terror, and stop the bombing of tribal areas by US drones.

    Periodically, the Pakistani political leaders have publicly protested against US strikes inside Pakistani territory. But like everybody else, the terrorists or militants or jihadis or whatever one chooses to call them, know that Islamabad is in league with Americans and cannot get out of it. The tribal militants have been joined by the Punjabi TTP, many of whom were created by the Pakistani intelligence to wage jihad against India.

    The concern, however, is that the terror attacks have increasingly targeted the country’s intelligence and military establishments including the General Headquarters (GHQ) of the Pakistani army in Rawalpindi. This was further accentuated by an attempt on the Sargoda aeronautical complex last month.

    It is not clear if Sargoda is also a nuclear weapons storage facility, but the mountains behind the Sargoda complex reportedly have silos where nuclear warheads are stored as a back up to the main weapons deployment centers.

    Sargoda was, of course, a base for the Chinese supplied M-II nuclear capable missiles with a range of 290 kms., but the range is extendable. Given everything, the attempted attack on the base which was stopped by security personnel, is a very important marker on intentions and growing capability of the terrorist to penetrate, highly secured targets. This is almost an impossible task unless the terrorists have inside knowledge and some co-operation.

    The issue of a possible terrorist attack on Pakistani nuclear assets becomes acute because of China’s worries. Last month, the Chinese Ministry of Health issued a directive for all local governments to step up preparation to face nuclear emergencies because of the rising number of nuclear facilities in neighbouring countries, and “the threat of global terrorism is a reality”. The directive went on to explain some countries have “also intensified the use and development of nuclear power at the Chinese border. If a nuclear or radioactive incident breaks out” health of the Chinese people and China’s economic development and social stability would be at stake.

    The Hong Kong newspaper The South China Morning Post (October 21, 2009) carried this report and no denial has come from the Chinese authorities. The Health Ministry’s edict did not name any particular country and also mentioned the vulnerability of its own nuclear power plants which are no longer under strict military control because of China-foreign collaboration. It has its own problems with militant separatists.

    It is not difficult to guess where China’s concerns lie. There are three countries with growing nuclear developments surrounding China – India, North Korea and Pakistan. India has no nuclear assets near China’s borders. Problems can happen with North Korea if only US attacks its nuclear assets, which is a remote possibility.

    That leaves only Pakistan, which has nuclear capabilities close to China’s borders. According to Chinese assessments, in case of a India-Pakistan nuclear war the wind direction in the area of conflict was such the radioactive fallout would be swept into China.

    China is in an eminent position to understand the situation in Pakistan. They not only set up Pakistan’s nuclear weapons capability, but were also closely involved in setting up their storage capability. In fact, reports have said China procured tunnelling machinery from Europe for making the silos in the Sargoda hills. China was also closely involved in setting up the security structure of Pakistan’s nuclear assets. And both these countries have ongoing collaboration and consultations in the nuclear weapons and power areas. Beijing would have suitably alerted their Pakistani friends.

    It must be noted that the Chinese Health Ministry edict clearly mentioned “threat of global terrorism” to nuclear facilities is a reality. It has also deep knowledge about terrorist organizations in Pakistan, having suffered at their hands. China is also emerging on the radar screen of terrorists after its brutal crackdown of Muslim Uighur protestors in July, this year
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    Since “9/11”, the US has also found itself a role in the security of Pakistani nuclear assets. It gives a $100 million a year aid to Pakistan for this purpose apart from consultancy. But it is unclear how much on the ground presence they have. Most of US official statements appear to depend on Pakistan’s assurances on the security of the nuclear assets, though they have independent appreciation of the situation.

    Informed think tanks and media remain sceptical about these assurances. No real discussions have emerged on the possibility of “9/11” type air attack on these facilities. All these facilities have the regular security of anti-aircraft guns and missiles. Will that prevent a determined terrorist attack?

    During US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s somewhat stressful and strained visit to Pakistan last week, it was for the first time an US official of her stature publicly insinuated that some Pakistani officials would know the whereabouts of Taliban Chief Mullah Omar and Al Qaeda head Osama bin Laden. Ms. Clinton’s assertions were not based on rumours. The US has given Pakistan hard evidence including communication intercepts on the live nexus between officials in the ISI and the terrorists.

    It is well known that Pakistan’s rouge nuclear scientist Dr. A.Q. Khan and some of his colleagues had relations with Mullah Omar and Osama. Unless these people are interrogated by an international panel it would be difficult to unravel the depth of penetration the terrorists have achieved in Pakistan’s nuclear establishment. It is, therefore, surprising the Americans have not pressured Pakistan for access to A.Q. Khan.

    In the last fortnight two notable incidents took place. One was the arrest of a young Pakistani nuclear physicist in Islamabad who was associated with the banned organization, Hizb-ut-Tehrir. This Pan-Islamic Organization pursues the dream of an Islamic caliphate.

    The other was the arrest of a French nuclear scientist of North African origin working with Herdon accelerator, who was in touch with the Al Qaeda in Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), an Al Qaeda associate.

    These discoveries are dots in a graph to be joined by the Islamic International Movement of Osama bin Laden. Getting access to a nuclear weapon threatens the world. An attack on a nuclear facility to release nuclear radiation is no less a danger. The Chinese warning needs to be taken more seriously.

    (The author is an eminent China analyst with many years of experience of study on the developments in China. He can be reached at [email protected])

    China Questions Pak Nuclear Security
     
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    well well looks like the Higher than mounatins and deeper then seas friendship is going down hill is it
     
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    Pakistan's policies of nuturing non-state actors seems to be rebounding.

    If the ALL WEATHER ALLY has a problem then the situation is very serious for our western neighbour. Add to this even Iran has also accused elements in Islamabad being behind the attacks by the Sunni Radical group Jundallah and have even threatened hot pursuit options acroos the border into Pakistan.
     
  8. THE_MAGNIFICENT

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    It is really funny i think. On one hand pakistan keeps on saying that usa killing muslims at iraq, afgan. israel killing muslims in Palestine n gaza. india killing muslims.

    they say that they that pakistan is islamic power who ll fight for rights of islam.

    but n other hand, because china provides them Chinese weapons (china made toys :D). they keep thr mouth shut on the issue of east Turkestan whr chinese already killed thousands of muslims. changed the name of there native land turkestan to xinxiang ( meaning "new province"). and now it is for sure that like Tibet east turkestan will never get its independence. because china already started transferring han chinese to xin xiang. and now turkish population is just 48 % which was about 94 % just on 1948.

    so it make me laugh so hard on pakistans foreign policy.

    jai hind.
     
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    A day in the life of President Zardari.

    Oh my God.....Imagine if your last name is Zardari.

    Now you just got off the phone with a really pissed-off Iranian revolutionary commander who is threatening cross-border action into Pakistan and you told him that you dont know much about these Jundallah guys. That really pissed him off even more. You really wanted to tell him that there are so many Jihadi groups in Pakistan that even your ISI guys are having a tough time keeping it straight in their head....but on second thoughts you decide to say nothing.

    Now you get off the phone and decide to roll a nice smooth imported English tobacco cigarette.....its been a very stressfull day. Bang...the phone rings again, this time its the Chinese ambassador who wants to rip you a new a##hole.

    The Chinese ambassador is so angry that he starts speaking "ching chong" to you.....You slow him down and tell him to switch to English......you tell him that you dont know anything about Pak groups teaming up with Turkestan Muslims.....Ooops, you meant to say "Xinjiang Muslims". They are "non-state actors" you claim, and they have started writing their own scripts, they are not following the ISI script anymore.....you plead in vain. The Pissed off Chinese ambassador curses you out and hangs up.

    Now you finally decide its time to go home, enough a##hole ripping for one-day. But just as you get up from your desk....the phone rings again and you just know its that b*t*h Hillary Clinton asking you for a status report on the Wazirstan offensive. You want to tell her to go F**k herself, but you pick the phone and say "Hello Maam, what can I do for you today". She thinks you dont have the balls to get the job done. You get angry, but stay quiet and take the abuse quietly.

    You hang up the phone with Hillary....you are thinking you better get out of the office quick before you get another call from Chidambaram, and its been a really tough day at the Office.....you are thinking its time to retire !!
     
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    If China wants Zardari to stop the islamic movement they will have to pay up, who will pay more USA or China the winner will be pakistan ?and terrorist can be sent to other areas. But China trying to buy influence on the cheap will not work they like to compare themselves to USA in all things so if they want to stop the islamic movement they will have to pay up BIG like USA does ;not try to win influence on the cheap like they usually do.
     
  11. F-14

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    :dfi-1: :rofl: super mate
     
  12. musalman

    musalman پاکستان زنده باد

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    No the winner will be Zardari. LOL btw a good one
     
  13. SADAKHUSH

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    The crop of all weather friendship has started bearing the fruits of frustration. It is time to squeeze the balls of your friends and see you get some milk out of it. I think USA has already squeezed them dry. The only alternative for China is to abandon these idiots and continue on the path of economic development.
     
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    Does Zardari has the power and Aukat in parkistan????
     
  15. roma

    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    guys great posts - nevertheless i have seen some of the uyghur websites - those based in germany - and i really feel sorry for the uyghur people

    it would be great if some support be given to them - their case is no less horrific that that of the tibetans - and it's not something of the past - in that sense it's even worse as it's happening today.

    just do a google on uyghur world congress ( based in germany )
     

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