China asked to cease its activities in PoK

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  1. nrj

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    NEW DELHI: Government has conveyed its concerns to China about its activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and asked it to cease such activities there, Defence Minister A K Antony told the Lok Sabha today.

    In written reply to another question in the House, he said government is not considering to withdraw troops from Siachen glacier.

    On presence of Chinese soldiers in PoK, Antony said, "Government is aware of China undertaking infrastructure projects in PoK which are being executed by Chinese civil companies. Government has conveyed its concerns to China about their activities in PoK and asked them to cease such activities."

    In reply to a question on death of soldiers in Siachen, Antony said since 2010, a total of 18 Indian soldiers have lost their lives in Siachen glaciers due to avalanches.

    While six soldiers were killed in 2010, five such incidents were reported in 2011. 2012 saw seven deaths and no such incident has been reported during the present year.

    On whether government proposes to negotiate with Pakistan to demilitarise the area, Antony said, "Any development/ redeployment of troops in the area is contingent upon the threat perception, ground situation, operational and strategic consideration."

    Replying to a separate query on terrorist attack on Army camps in Jammu and Kashmir in the last one year, the Defence Minister said, "There have been two incidents of firing by terrorists on Army camps in J&K during the last one year. One Army person was killed in one of the incidents."

    On steps taken to check such incidents, he said, "Army has taken adequate steps to prevent attacks on Army camps including deployment of troops and surveillance equipment. Troops are adequately trained and equipped to prevent such incidents."


    China asked to cease its activities in PoK - The Economic Times
     
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  3. limit_sky

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    Important development.

    Govt. had been shying away from from making any statement about presence of Chinese in P.O.K till now.

    Now that the statement has been made we would like to see some action asserting the same.

    It should be made clear to Chinese in no uncertain terms that their concerns in SCS would not be paid heed if they don't address our concern.
     
  4. LordOfTheUnderworlds

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    ^^^ No need to connect south china sea with POK. POK is Indian territory. South China sea is not China's territory.
     
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    No doubt about it,Sir.

    P.O. K is an integral part of India.
    But does our writ run on the ground there?

    Can we enforce the Chinese to vacate by simply stating so?

    The suggestion for aggressive interference in SCS has been merely suggested because they are sensitive about it.
    That is the language that they surely will understand.

    There may be many other ways of making Chinese stop her activities in P.O.K and the above can be one of them.
     
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    China asked to cease its activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir

    China asked to cease its activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir​

    Published March 18, 2013

    SOURCE: PTI

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    Government has conveyed its concerns to China about its activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and asked it to cease such activities there, Defence Minister AK Antony told the Lok Sabha on Monday.

    In written reply to another question in the House, he said government is not considering to withdraw troops from Siachen glacier.

    On presence of Chinese soldiers in PoK, Antony said, “Government is aware of China undertaking infrastructure projects in PoK which are being executed by Chinese civil companies. Government has conveyed its concerns to China about their activities in PoK and asked them to cease such activities.”

    In reply to a question on death of soldiers in Siachen, Antony said since 2010, a total of 18 Indian soldiers have lost their lives in Siachen glaciers due to avalanches.

    While six soldiers were killed in 2010, five such incidents were reported in 2011. The year 2012 saw seven deaths and no such incident has been reported during the present year.

    On whether government proposes to negotiate with Pakistan to demilitarise the area, Antony said, “Any development/ redeployment of troops in the area is contingent upon the threat perception, ground situation, operational and strategic consideration.”

    Replying to a separate query on terrorist attack on Army camps in Jammu and Kashmir in the last one year, the Defence Minister said, “There have been two incidents of firing by terrorists on Army camps in J&K during the last one year. One Army person was killed in one of the incidents.”

    On steps taken to check such incidents, he said, “Army has taken adequate steps to prevent attacks on Army camps including deployment of troops and surveillance equipment. Troops are adequately trained and equipped to prevent such incidents.”

    Intelligence inputs regarding possibility of such actions are disseminated to all concerned. Security drills are constantly reviewed and refined to prevent occurrence of such incidents, the Defence Minister said.

    In reply to a question on appointment of Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), the Defence Minister said, “The process of consultations was initiated in 2006, with Raksha Mantri writing to the leaders of all major political parties to obtain their views on the creation of the post of CDS.”

    Subsequently the political parties have been reminded to provide their views. Views of some political parties are still awaited. A decision on the matter would be taken after completion of the ongoing consultations, he said.

    On recruitment in Army in last three years, Antony told the House that in 2010, 1488 officers, including 93 women were inducted in the service.

    In 2011, there were total 164 women officers out of the total induction of 1780 officers, followed by 2035 officers in 2012. In 2012, 157 women had joined the service.

    Is it too little too late ?
     
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    Re: China asked to cease its activities in Pakistan occupied Kashmir

    DO u REMEMBER THIS? Army Chief General VK Singh told media persons that around 4,000 Chinese are currently present in the Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir (PoK).

    "There are certain construction working teams, a large number is available. Around 3,000 to 4,000 of these people are present including certain people for security purposes. There are certain engineers troops. Now (like) our own engineers are combat engineers. So, in some way they are part of the PLA," he told reporters here.

    The Army Chief was responding to a query on the presence of Chinese Army troops in the PoK on the sidelines of the 16th Field Marshal K M Cariappa Memorial Lecture delivered by National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon.


    The statement comes against the backdrop of concerns in India about the presence and engagement of Chinese troops in PoK, which India considers as its own land.

    IAF Chief N A K Browne had made this clear when he said in an interview that increasing presence of China in PoK warrants India's "attention".

    New Delhi has already conveyed its concerns to China over the presence of its troops in PoK and its activities in that region.

    Last year, there were reports of presence of about 11,000 Chinese troops in Jammu and Kashmir's Gilgit-Baltistan region held by Pakistan but Beijing said there was no wrong-doing.

    Recently, a senior Indian Army commander had said that Chinese are mainly engaged in construction activities of highways and dams in PoK as well as the northern areas which are very close to the LoC.

    This Chinese presence in PoK is widely seen as a move by the Dragon to keep a vigil over India with the help of its good friend Pakistan and also as interference in the Indo-Pak issues.

    Pakistan, however, has time and again accepted the Chinese presence in its territory by saying that the Asian superpower is helping it build infrastructure on the other side of Kashmir.

    This is the second time in the last one month when India and China are at loggerheads.

    Sometimes back, China had taken strong exception to India’s plan to explore oil in South China Sea saying that any exploration activity in its coast would amount to "infringement" of its sovereignty.

    "China enjoys indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and our position is based on full historical and jurisprudential evidence," Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman, Hong Lei had said.

    India had, however, rebuffed China’s objection saying its cooperation with Vietnam was as per international laws and it would like the cooperation to grow.

    Importantly, China’s biggest neighbourhood rival, Japan, has backed India’s oil hunt favouring greater interaction between Indian and Japanese Navies.
     
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    As if China is going to do what Indian government says. :rofl:
     
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    The best thing India can do is start drone attacks in PoK and GB.

    This is what is in my mind:
    • In PoK, start drone attacks against terror camps.
    • In GB, use drones to destroy infrastructure and harass and impede trade between Pakistan and PRC. Target highways and bridges as will. Make it prohibitively expensive for them to maintain a trade link.
    • In GB, arm and fund the locals who are seeking to get out of Pakistani control.


    If Pakistan can use the "we have nukes" line against India, so can India against Pakistan. PRC will not try to start another war with India.
     
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    Infrastructure projects in PoK by Chinese civil companies. So what? There are chinese companies doing road projects in India too.
     
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    Before doing anything this much far fetched, send all the separatist scum to their 72, make the Kashmir that you have peaceful and prosperous by scrapping farticle 370 and integrating it with rest of India just like any other state. Why do I never see any uprising or demand of freedom from GB? It is because Baki army is ruthless and they have mixed Pukhtoons and others with the local populace to completely cull their voices. There is no question of "Kashmiriyat" in the so called freedom struggle. The problem is purely communal in nature as the Kashmiri muslims cannot be ruled by Hindu majority India. Rest assured, in their commitment to minority appeasement and PISS process, none of the options that you have written seems possible for this spineless govt. Kashmir problem is there because of GoI's useless policies not so much because of external aggression.
     
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    with the permission of India
    POK is illegally occupied territory
     
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    That is Paki 'Occupied' area. China's refusal to stop activity will compromise their position & put them in violation of regional authority of India. All PRC can do is deny their presence in PoK which is essentially Indian territory.
     
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    GoI is so weak and madam memsaab will not allow to do this....
     
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    Not according to UN. There are india occupied Kashmir/Indian-administered Kashmir too as I recall.

    And you have zero authority in PoK, so dont see your point. PRC didnt deny their presence. They just claimed they were civilian contractors.
     
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    Jammu & Kashmir are integral part of India.
     
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    The point is that the moment you called it Pak 'occupied' area, it reaffirms integrity of that region with India.


    Well those civilian contractors running on order of state agencies will be facing heat now.
     
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    For Chinese (civil or military) companies to operate in Indian Territory, they must get prior approval from the Indian Government.
     
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    Does India pass laws in PoK? If noone follows indian laws there, why should the chinese?
     
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    They have been there for years, empty threats dont help.
     
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    No one is issuing threat. The term PoK implies that the region belong to India.
     

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