China and Japan dispute over Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands

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Same type of case as in Tibet!

Dalai Lama lost out in 1950 as an Independent nation with its own currency and ambassadors and policies when the Chinese overran the territory!
except daoyo island is uninhabit. if there is are thousands japanese live on those islands for decades, then china can't claim the island with any good reason. but since its empty, both party want the resource in the area, and base on historical records, its disputable. you don't expect israel to move out of mid-east, or american move back to europe and give N.america back to native american right?
 

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Re: Chinese Fishermen landing on islands of Senkaku of Japan..

China owned the daiyu island long time ago -> China lost it to Japan during the first Sino-Japanese War -> Japan agreed to give up control on Korea, Taiwan, South China Sea islands at the end of WW2 -> U.S. controlled it after WW2 -> U.S. gave it to Japan in 1971.

As always, this land dispute is complicated and U.S. played an important role in it.

These treaties do not mention China anywhere? USA won ww2 and got these
islands and then transferred them to Japan in 2 or more treaties. This is the
same as India claiming we own Pakistan or Burma or nepal or sri lanka. Chinese
claim is after the fact.
 

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you don't expect israel to move out of mid-east, or american move back to europe and give N.america back to native american right?
are you trying to JUSTIFY your sin with other's sin
 

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except daoyo island is uninhabit. if there is are thousands japanese live on those islands for decades, then china can't claim the island with any good reason. but since its empty, both party want the resource in the area, and base on historical records, its disputable. you don't expect israel to move out of mid-east, or american move back to europe and give N.america back to native american right?
Isn't it owned by private Japanese citizens?

As regards the others they captured the territories and made it there own!
 

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1 century is not few century. that island orginally belong to taiwan/ROC, actually it was adminstered since ming dynasty, Late Qing dynasty lost to japan during 1st sino-japan war.

taiwan, russia, S.korea, PRC currently has dispute with japan, almost all the dispute island are conquered by japan during imperial japan era.
These islands were never administered by china nor taiwan! These islands belonged to an independent kingdom, ryuku, with their own language and culture beforr the japs conqured them. But they were never under chinese rule ever in history. You are misleading everyone by trying to rewrite your own version of history!
 

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are you trying to JUSTIFY your sin with other's sin
nope, i'm saying if tibets issue was settle in the 60s before han chinese move in then its fine. but now there is more han chinse than tibetan, just like there is more european in US than natives. so its not justifiable to force european, israel, or han chinese out of the place, cause those place are become their homes now. Now its too late just like N. and S. america, australia, israel, tibet etc.
 

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These islands were never administered by china nor taiwan! These islands belonged to an independent kingdom, ryuku, with their own language and culture beforr the japs conqured them. But they were never under chinese rule ever in history. You are misleading everyone by trying to rewrite your own version of history!
right, is wiki and other source also misleading the history. i don't think so, or are you try to misleading it by your own version of japanese history. heck japan don't even confirm the existance of nanjing massacare or other atrocities occur during WWII. ill trust wiki and other western source on pre-imperial japan history, then japans own history book ;)

and are you gonna argue S.korea and japan dispute of island also historically belong to japan, same with russia etc. now i'm not saying china has sole right on daiyo island but the fact is from any western source.
china lost diaoyu island after sino-japan war along with taiwan, US got these island after wwii, then give it to japan. so now taiwan, china, russia, s.korea has issues with different dispute with japan on its claim. if you notice china,taiwness, and hong konger were involve in the recen daoyou island incident.
 
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Isn't it owned by private Japanese citizens?

As regards the others they captured the territories and made it there own!
well its disputed. also ever wonder who sold those island to the private japanese? ill bet its not chinese or hongkongness or taiwaness, therefore only left with japanese government. my opinion is daoyu island is part of taiwan, since they have the most experience/time/proximity with that island, of course some japanese would disaggree.
 

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Re: Japan ups ante on Diaoyu islands

We should also make a half assed claim for half of ASEAN citing historic background.

:fyeah:
 

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These islands were never administered by china nor taiwan! These islands belonged to an independent kingdom, ryuku, with their own language and culture beforr the japs conqured them. But they were never under chinese rule ever in history. You are misleading everyone by trying to rewrite your own version of history!
Well, Taiwaness doesn't agree with you. Based on their claim, they had a company of soldiers on that daoyu island until last 70s. At the time, they had to withdraw these soldiers under the pressure of USA who wanted to put the island under its protection. Later the administration power was transferred to Japan without informing Taiwan.
 

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We should also make a half assed claim for half of ASEAN citing historic background.

:fyeah:
Yes, you can as long as your administration was once covered on these areas. But clearly not.
 

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right, is wiki and other source also misleading the history. i don't think so, or are you try to misleading it by your own version of japanese history. heck japan don't even confirm the existance of nanjing massacare or other atrocities occur during WWII. ill trust wiki and other western source on pre-imperial japan history, then japans own history book ;)

and are you gonna argue S.korea and japan dispute of island also historically belong to japan, same with russia etc. now i'm not saying china has sole right on daiyo island but the fact is from any western source.
china lost diaoyu island after sino-japan war along with taiwan, US got these island after wwii, then give it to japan. so now taiwan, china, russia, s.korea has issues with different dispute with japan on its claim. if you notice china,taiwness, and hong konger were involve in the recen daoyou island incident.
facts from wiki
Senkaku is a part of Ryukyu kingdom which was an independent nation (not part of china) during the ancient times around 1400s before Japan conquered it during 1609, and annexed it 1879. 1895, The senkakus was physically occupied by the japs simultaneous with the Sino-jap war. And since then has been legally possessed by Japan, in terms of history and in terms of effective occupation. no treaty has mentioned the islands were given to Japan nor they are given up by Japan. China has also recognized japan's ownership of the islands wirhin the last century until vast reaources were discovered during the 1970s did china began to claim these islands...period!

If you are going to cry again and insist that the islands were forcefully taken from China.. suit yourself.. the world today as we know it were shaped by these conflicts in history.. then china should also take it by force (if it can).

You are just so good at reinventing history and facts just to be able to fit them into your arguments. Just unbelivable!
 

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Well, Taiwaness doesn't agree with you. Based on their claim, they had a company of soldiers on that daoyu island until last 70s. At the time, they had to withdraw these soldiers under the pressure of USA who wanted to put the island under its protection. Later the administration power was transferred to Japan without informing Taiwan.
wow that is something new.. which propaganda book did you find that? since 1600s, these islands have been administered and even populated and industrialized at some point on the 1900s with japanese. The Taiwanese might have sneaked in after WW2 but ofcourse they would be driven away as they were sqatting on the area.
 

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We have to stop immigration of Chinese to rest of the world before they claim the whole world. We have lots of oil in Canada we can sell you.
As far as the dispute on Islands is concerned, I ask you to go and get it with your super Navy and make sure the journalist from the Global Media are there together so that we can sink them in to the sea as well.
 

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facts from wiki
Senkaku is a part of Ryukyu kingdom which was an independent nation (not part of china) during the ancient times around 1400s before Japan conquered it during 1609, and annexed it 1879. 1895, The senkakus was physically occupied by the japs simultaneous with the Sino-jap war. And since then has been legally possessed by Japan, in terms of history and in terms of effective occupation. no treaty has mentioned the islands were given to Japan nor they are given up by Japan. China has also recognized japan's ownership of the islands wirhin the last century until vast reaources were discovered during the 1970s did china began to claim these islands...period!

If you are going to cry again and insist that the islands were forcefully taken from China.. suit yourself.. the world today as we know it were shaped by these conflicts in history.. then china should also take it by force (if it can).

You are just so good at reinventing history and facts just to be able to fit them into your arguments. Just unbelivable!
really no link?
here is something on wiki

Senkaku Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Senkaku Islands dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so which wiki you got it from?
In 1885, the Japanese Governor of Okinawa Prefecture, Nishimura Sutezo, petitioned the Meiji government, asking that it take formal control of the islands.[9] However, Inoue Kaoru, the Japanese Minister of Foreign Affairs, commented that the islands lay near to the border area with the Qing empire and that they had been given Chinese names. He also cited an article in a Chinese newspaper that had previously claimed that Japan was occupying islands off China's coast. Inoue was concerned that if Japan proceeded to erect a landmark stating its claim to the islands, it would make the Qing empire suspicious.[9] Following Inoue's advice, Yamagata Aritomo, the Minister of the Interior, turned down the request to incorporate the islands, insisting that this matter should not be "revealed to the news media".[9]

On 14 January 1895, during the First Sino-Japanese War, Japan incorporated the islands under the administration of Okinawa, stating that it had conducted surveys since 1884 and that the islands were terra nullius (Latin: no man's land), with there being no evidence to suggest that they had been under the Qing empire's control.[citation needed]

After China lost the war, both countries signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki in April 1895 that stipulated, among other things, that China would cede to Japan "the island of Formosa together with all islands appertaining or belonging to said island of Formosa (Taiwan)".[10]


The Senkaku Islands (尖閣諸島, Senkaku-shotō?, variants: Senkaku-guntō[1] and Senkaku-rettō[2]), also known as the Diaoyu Islands (Chinese: 钓鱼岛及其附属岛屿; pinyin: Diàoyúdǎo jíqí fùshǔ dǎoyǔ also simply 钓鱼岛) in mainland China or Diaoyutai Islands (Chinese: 釣魚台群島; pinyin: Diàoyútái Qúndǎo) in Taiwan,[3] or the Pinnacle Islands, are a group of uninhabited islands controlled by Japan in the East China Sea. They are located roughly due east of mainland China, northeast of Taiwan, west of Okinawa Island, and north of the southwestern end of the Ryukyu Islands.

Since the transfer of administration from United States to Japan in 1971, Japan's ownership of the islands has been disputed by the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Republic of China (ROC, also known as Taiwan). The Chinese claim the discovery and control of the islands from the 14th century. Japan controlled the islands from 1895 until its surrender at the end of World War II. The United States administered them as part of the United States Civil Administration of the Ryukyu Islands from 1945 until 1972, when the islands reverted to Japanese control under the Okinawa Reversion Treaty between the United States and Japan.[4]

The islands are an issue in foreign relations between Japan and the PRC and between Japan and the ROC.[5] Despite the complexity of relations between the PRC and ROC, both governments agree that the islands are part of Taiwan as part of Toucheng Township in Yilan County of their respective divisions. Japan does not officially recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state,[3] and regards the islands as a part of Ishigaki, Okinawa Prefecture and acknowledges neither the claims of the PRC nor ROC to the islands. The Japanese government has not allowed Ishigaki to develop the islands.

Records of these islands date back to as early as the 15th century. They were referred as Diaoyu in books such as Voyage with a Tail Wind (simplified Chinese: 顺风相送; traditional Chinese: 順風相送; pinyin: Shùnfēng Xiāngsòng) (1403) [6] and Record of the Imperial Envoy's Visit to Ryūkyū (simplified Chinese: 使琉球录; traditional Chinese: 使琉球錄; pinyin: Shĭ Liúqiú Lù) (1534). Adopted by the Chinese Imperial Map of the Ming Dynasty, both the Chinese name for the island group (Diaoyu) and the Japanese name for the main island (Uotsuri) both mean "fishing".
 

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wow that is something new.. which propaganda book did you find that? since 1600s, these islands have been administered and even populated and industrialized at some point on the 1900s with japanese. The Taiwanese might have sneaked in after WW2 but ofcourse they would be driven away as they were sqatting on the area.
oh plz stop the japanese propaganda. ill bet you think japan even own korea, and part of china too.
 

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Japan used to lord of Korea and China at one time.

The islands were for a long time regarded as Chinese by the Chinese, but they were taken by the Japanese - along with Taiwan and much else - following China's humiliating defeat in the Sino-Japanese war of 1894-5.

It marked the beginning of Japanese expansionism in East Asia, with the subsequent colonisation of Korea as well as Taiwan. This reached its zenith after 1931 with the Japanese occupation of north-east China, and from 1937 with the Japanese conquest of further swathes of the country.

The most humiliating for the Chinese was taking over of Nanking where the claims was that the Chinese were massacred en mass.

The Japanese looked down on the Chinese as an inferior people of the human race.

It has to be admitted that the Japanese thought of themselves as a super race and that was not correct to do.

This is what it was before their Empire was dismantled.

 
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Don't wanna waste effort to kick ur ass again so i am redirecting you to another forum where we have debated on this. You can find all the links u want there if u care to read it again and hopefully this time have the ability to comprehend. Have fun fanboy!
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/38782-chinas-territory-not-allowed-sale-fm-spokesman-7.html
 

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Don't wanna waste effort to kick ur ass again so i am redirecting you to another forum where we have debated on this. You can find all the links u want there if u care to read it again and hopefully this time have the ability to comprehend. Have fun fanboy!
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/38782-chinas-territory-not-allowed-sale-fm-spokesman-7.html
oh plz. everyone else recognize the control of those island before 1st sino-japan war was china qing dynasty, most government official of ryuku kingdom were chinese, guess who are the descendants of so call ryuku kingdom, taiwaness !!!, the ISLAND never been inhabit by anyone even till now, and it was under qing empire control before 1st sino-japan war. you are the only person still saying its part of japan. heck ill bet you think the terroritory dispute between s.korea-japan are also belong to japan.
you have nothing other than japanese propaganda, and distorted history. if japan don't even admit the atrocities done during WWII, how can anyone belief your version of history ;)
 

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Re: Japan ups ante on Diaoyu islands

Were the islands ever inhabited?
 

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