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Isro was actually the first not nasa to detect water on moon ??

Did India beat NASA to find water on moon?

thats the source document but i wonder why the administration of the claim wasnt properly done ? again its a matter of management . So nasa made the first announcement , but isro might be pursing the claim more in an "academic " manner for the books , but those who watch the tv worldwide would more likely remember nasa ?
 

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It was a NASA payload on the Chandrayan that detected water.
 

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It was a NASA payload on the Chandrayan that detected water.
The Moon Impact probe was the first to detect water. The dust particles contained traces of water that was detected. It's just that a lot of the data coming from Chandrayan has not yet been studied. NASA, with their better resources, managed to study the M3 data quicker than ISRO could from our own payloads.
 

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Well here's the original article ( in case NDTV remove's it in time ) so you can see that chandrayans job was a wee bit more than just carrying the nasa probe as some may think

Please note ; Isro's Moon Impact Probe and Nasa's Moon Mineralogy Mapper are two different equipment;- Now here's the article and Isro claims to have detected the water Nov 2008 ahead of nasa in Feb 2009

India's dial of excitement has been turned up a notch.

India's proud space agency, ISRO, went on record on Friday to share that not only have they found water on the moon, but they found it first. A full three months ahead of NASA, to be exact.

"The moon impact probe when it was descending down, it has picked up signatures of water on the moon as it travelled from the lunar equator to the pole," beams Dr G Madhavan Nair, Chairman, ISRO.

Here's what happened. In November last year, within a few days of Chandrayaan reaching the orbit of the moon, a special device called a Moon Impact Probe detached itself from the mother ship. The probe, which is the size of a computer monitor, plunged towards to the lunar surface, beaming back the first chemical signatures of water on the moon. It then crashed on the lunar surface, as it was designed to do, and landed near the Shakleton crater, the spot now renamed as the Jawahar Point as this feat was completed on the birth anniversary of former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru.

NASA's Moon Mineralogy Mapper found its first traces of water in February.

ISRO's India-First statement will remain a claim till the findings are published.
 

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It doesn't matter who detected first. What matters who published the first paper. Researches are only authentic when they are published in research journals. ISRO needs to pick that habit quickly. Carlie Pieters of Brown University published three research paper chroniclizing the details of every aspect of moon water discovery. One cannot go to the press and state that they found water on moon. Obviously there are so many other questions associated with a discovery and they need to satisfactorily answered. This is why research papers are published to authenticate the findings. The papers are distributed to various universities across the world and other research scholars analyse those findings and authenticate them. If there are any loopholes in the theory then someone else either brings it to notice or tries to provide a different perspective or an alternate theory. This is how it works. Simply by going to the media and proclaiming that "We found water on the moon first" is very amateurish on ISRO's part.

However, nobody can anyway deny their valuable contribution in this ground breaking discovery. To begin with it was ISRO's mission. They were the one who carried the Moon Minerology Mapper (M3) on Chandrayaan. It was Chandrayaan that went orbitting moon on 100x100 miles orbit and later on 200x200 miles orbit allowing M3 to do the perfect mapping. Now, if M3 found the water first, it doesn't take any sheen away from ISRO whose Chandrayaan is now a legend that has got itself in anals of history.
 

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I found this letter in Today's Daily Telegraph, UK. It is nothing to belittle United Kingdom but a testament to the fact that India is getting its due credit for moon water discovery. Always a delight when the rest of the world appreciates your good efforts.

The Moon is the best hope for human survival
Britain will fall behind the rest of the world if she doesn't reach for the stars
Published: 12:01AM BST 26 Sep 2009


The writer Fontenelle contemplating the plurality of worlds, by Jacques Swebach
Photo: Bridgeman Art Library

SIR – The report (September 25) on the Indian/Nasa discovery of water on the moon, the jocular treatment of this story in your leading article and Jeff Randall's column on the adjacent page on the "guilt industry" show neatly why Britain continues to fail.

India, China, Japan and possibly America are engaged in a race to a new frontier, starting with the Moon. Water will enable base construction, long-term exploration and settlement, and the beginning of new industries. Clean, renewable energy is a necessity for civilisation, and solar power satellites built from lunar materials are gaining interest.

We have to choose between a short, closed future predicted by Malthus and Orwell, or a free, open future based on space development. Human civilisation confined to one planet is unsustainable. We should greet the discovery of water on the Moon with hope and confidence, not with the "British disease".

Dr Michael Martin-Smith
Hull, East Yorkshire
P.S. This is truly a "moon water"shed moment for ISRO. Congratulations to them. Hehe
 

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If ISRO found it first, why didn't they claim it before NASA? It doesn't make much sense to say so a year after the fact.
 
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Water on the Moon Buoys India's Space Program - TIME

Water on the Moon Buoys India's Space Program


India's space agency has taken its share of hits over the years. When it was set up in the 1960s, the Bangalore-based organization's very existence was questioned by critics — both inside and outside India — who said a poor country should worry about feeding hungry millions before firing rockets into space. Last month, there were allegations of incompetence after India's first-ever lunar probe, Chandrayaan-I, was lost when its communications system shut down. So this week's announcement that the same probe, fitted with a NASA research instrument, had found water on the surface of the moon (and managed to send the data back to earth before losing contact) was a welcome reason to cheer at the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO). "Water ice on the moon has been something of a holy grail for lunar scientists for a very long time," Jim Green, director of the Planetary Science Division at NASA Headquarters in Washington said in a press release. "This surprising finding has come about through the ingenuity, perseverance and international cooperation between NASA and the India Space Research Organization."

Indian newspapers were ecstatic: "One Big Step For India, A Giant Leap for Mankind," read the headline in the Times of India. ISRO chairman G. Madhavan Nair was beaming when he told reporters on Friday that "India should be proud that Chandrayaan discovered water on the moon It is acknowledged the world over that this is a real discovery and a path-breaking event for the Indian space agency."

The discovery is remarkable for several reasons. Since the Apollo program four decades ago, scientists have believed the surface of the moon to be dry. Moisture found in rocks brought back by those early missions were thought to be the result of contamination from the earth's atmosphere. The new research, which used the intensity of the colors that bounce off the surface of the moon when it's hit by sunlight, proves that there are traces of both water and a closely related molecule called hydroxyl. Scientists now believe water could be produced in the lunar soil when hydrogen from solar winds combines with oxygen-rich substances on the lunar surface. Another theory centers on water-laden comets and meteorites hitting the moon.

Chandrayaan-I was launched last October; the ISRO lost contact with it in late August. At the time, critics questioned the program's worth and the need for future missions. But ISRO scientists say they simply underestimated the radiation levels the probe and its communication system would face, problems they will now fix. The water discovery was vindication that they had got a lot right and the hiccup, said chairman Nair last week, was all part of a normal learning curve. The ISRO, Nair told reporters, is "100% satisfied with the mission's objectives."

Even getting this far has been an achievement itself. A lunar mission has been consistently opposed by sections of India's political and scientific community ever since it was proposed in 1999. Critics question the logic of a country battling dire poverty spending millions of dollars on scientific pursuits that they liken to reinventing the wheel. They said the ISRO should stick to socially relevant research as it did after its establishment in 1969: launching satellites for landscape and resource mapping, weather forecasting, or communications and educational broadcasts.

But after overseeing successful nuclear tests in 1998 and riding high on nationalist euphoria over breaching international non-proliferation norms, the right-wing, BJP-led National Democratic Alliance government agreed to an ambitious moon program. Then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who approved Chandrayaan-I at the Independence Day function on August 15, 2003, said he wanted India's space program to become one of the best in the world. Supporters of the program argued that a lunar mission would provide untold technological spin-offs. Many of those same enthusiasts now say they have been vindicated. Operating a satellite at a distance ten times beyond anything they had done before has given the ISRO valuable experience in hi-tech spacecraft, rocketry and advanced remote navigation technology. At $79 million, the program's budget also comes in way under those by many competitors.

The ISRO now wants to land a craft on the moon by 2013 and has reaffirmed its commitment to sending a mission to Mars by 2015. ISRO wants to garner a larger share of the increasingly competitive commercial satellite launch market. On Thursday, it launched six European and Turkish satellites from its Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle. "[The] returns, in terms of the science, the technology, inspiration, stature, prospects for international cooperation� are immense," K. Kasturirangan, former ISRO chairman who conceived Chandrayaan-I, told TIME before the launch. It doesn't hurt that the country's celebrating too.
 

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Chandrayaan-I was launched last October; the ISRO lost contact with it in late August. At the time, critics questioned the program's worth and the need for future missions.
Critics question the logic of a country battling dire poverty spending millions of dollars on scientific pursuits that they liken to reinventing the wheel. They said the ISRO should stick to socially relevant research as it did after its establishment in 1969: launching satellites for landscape and resource mapping, weather forecasting, or communications and educational broadcasts.
Well no one denies the massive contribution that has been made by ISRO however with chaning times, its imperative that Roles and Resposibilities of ISRO also change and to stay ahead ISRO would have to explore new frontiers

Though not happening and technologically not feasible right now but unless ISRO makes dedicated efforts it would be left far too behind when tech for Outer space mining becomes feasible and hence as such Moon Craft and Mars Mission etc have to be seen in light of ISRO making headway and along the way there would be some failures like loosing contact with Chandrayaan and some rockets going haywire. Whether or not ISRO learns from these mistake is the single most important thing these so called critics should ponder about.

Asking ISRO not to engage in Chandrayaan-II and Mars Mission after partial failure(or partial success) with Chandrayaan is akin to asking a kid never to again try a bi-cycle simply coz' he fell off it after 1st try.
 
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True sumku- no country had 100% success rates in the beginning of their space program. I feel Chandradayaan was a great success.
 

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If ISRO found it first, why didn't they claim it before NASA? It doesn't make much sense to say so a year after the fact.
Sir,
There seems to be some kind of protocol and confirmatory tests that must be made before announcing the discovery of water on moon. Lets say MIP was the preliminary test and the M3 was the confirmatory test.
 

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It was NASA's moon mapper that took the spectrogrammes. I don't see why arguing over such a trivial detail is worth fighting over. People here like rubyjackass seem to be a little sensitive to the issue.
 

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The find is getting bigger:

Moon has helium-3 power: ISRO- ET Cetera-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

BANGALORE: India’s space agency said on Friday that it has been able to detect deposits on the moon of a mineral which can be used to fuel power plants, a day after the announcement of incontrovertible evidence of the presence of water on earth’s only natural satellite.

The Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft, which set out on India’s first lunar voyage in October last year, has identified deposits of helium-3 (He-3), accomplishing one of the key objectives of its mission, top officials of the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) said.

“Our mineral mapper has identified that there are plenty of these areas where such compounds are present. That gives the indication; we can further look for exact details of the quantity with our Chandrayaan-2 mission,” Isro chairman G Madhavan Nair said. India’s second lunar sojourn is due in 2013.

Believed to be abundant on the moon, the non-radioactive He-3 is regarded as having the potential to power future nuclear fusion reactors for hundreds of years.

Isro said its Moon Impact Probe (MIP) and Hyper Spectral Imager (HySI) — two of the 11 scientific instruments that formed the cargo of the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft — shattered the belief that the moon is bone dry. The payloads had detected the presence of water some months ago and this was confirmed by data gathered by the American space agency Nasa. “We had indications of water way back in June, but we didn’t want to announce it for the simple reason that this is of global significance,” said Mr Nair.

As Isro’s MIP was descending from Chandrayaan-1 to hit the moon in November, it had picked up strong signals of water particles. “We as Indians can be really proud that we have contributed to the significant finding of water on the moon through Chandrayaan-1.”

Ajey Lele, space analyst at The Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA), said the discovery has proved that Chandrayaan-1 was not just a carrier of payloads: success was achieved due to the unique orientation, design and manoeuvring of the craft.

Isro said the presence of water on the moon has sparked hope that the lunar surface can be converted into a base for interplanetary exploration and help scientists to study the solar system from the moon by establishing manned or unmanned observatories. The abundant sunlight on the moon, especially at the polar regions, can be used to generate electricity. Data available with the space agencies also provides indications that there is possibility of life on the moon and the planets.

“The basic element for sustaining life is water, which can also be used as fuel. Rockets
can be filled up from such sources on the lunar surface and used to explore Mars.”

Isro will revisit these areas through Chandrayaan-and drill these regions to get samples for analysis. However, scientists have not been able to been able to find abundant water in the form of a sea, lakes or even puddles. Instead, what Chandrayaan-1 has been able to find are traces of water molecules. “Perhaps we can evolve a technique and if we process one tonne of lunar soil, we may get half a litre of water. At the same time, for the first time in the history of space research, that water is confirmed on the moon,” explained Mr Nair.

JN Goswami, principal scientist for Chandrayaan-1, said finding water on the moon also means that water is present on other planets such as Mars and Mercury as well because they have an abundance of silicon. Isro said finding water is the joint achievement of the entire scientific team and a fine example of how the international community could work together.

“Here within a very short span of time, the entire data was shared between Nasa and Isro. It is an example of how planetary exploration can be pursued through global co-operation,” said Mr Nair. Mr Lele of IDSA said the relationship between Nasa and Isro is growing exponentially as the Americans have understood that Isro is capable and an equal partner. “The Chandrayaan-1 mission was cheaper than buying a Boeing plane.”

Chandrayaan-1 has relayed over 70,000 images, beside a huge volume of data that has filled the computers of Nasa and Isro. It may take up to three years to analyse all the data and come up with new discoveries.

“I had earlier said the mission completed 95% of its scientific objectives, but now I say it has met 110% of scientific objectives,” Mr Nair remarked. The Chandrayaan-1 mission, launched on October 22, came to a premature end last month with the snapping of the link with the orbiter. The problems on board the spacecraft, which was to have orbited the moon for two years, started because of sudden overheating when the probe entered its orbital home 100 km over the lunar surface.
 

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I am making this thread sticky because of the words in RED. Please post all information here
 

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Any announcement in the NEWS by ISRO. Its a major discovery. He-3 is what most people are looking for other than water.
 

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