Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau Gets Cold-Shouldered By India For Backing Khalistanis Back Home

[Haldiram]

But wait, there's more...

..Canada has been caught lying again.

Atwal WAS indeed oficially invited by the Canadian delegation :

 

[Haldiram]

Khalistani Terrorist Invited To Trudeau Event; Amid Row, Invite Scrapped

Atwal was also photographed alongside Trudeau's wife Sophie at an event in Mumbai

 

[Haldiram]

Plot thickens..

"Will Take Action": Justin Trudeau On Invitation To Khalistani Terrorist

Atwal should never have received invite, matter being taken 'extremely seriously': Trudeau

 

[Moroboshi]

you know what
Most of these people have agriculture land and when they get citizenship they lose it and then they have resentment with the government that change this rule.
Ask people in punjab they will tell you ..

You people certainly have no knowledge of the reality. Nor i wish to enlighten you further.

Oh wow cry me a fucking river. They lost their land for relinquishing their citizenship!!!??? Better join khalistanis. I am only seeing paranoia and fear psychosis in your posts nowadays. Are you sure you are alright? Maybe consult a mental health professional or take a break from this forum for a bit.

 

[ezsasa]

Since Trudeau has talked about “united India”, some journalist should ask him before he leaves tomorrow “if supports India’s right over POK?”.

I bet he will not have an answer because his team has not prepped him with the answer.

This guy does not go even one word off his prepared script. The guy is modi ka baap in terms of managing optics.

 

[hit&run]

I said who have sought asylums can't inherit the property. And the law would come where NRI's too cant inherit their agricultural land. Most of the NRI's have resentment that they can't buy a farm house as it's built on agricultural land.

You are changing statement after statement. Your fallacies are getting more and more twisted.

Most of these people have agriculture land and when they get citizenship they lose it and then they have resentment with the government that change this rule.
Ask people in punjab they will tell you ..

^^This is what you said.

Since you are too clasped I am going to dissect your statement in further small parts.

Most of the People

You made it look like a widespread problem when it is not. Your exaggeration was part of your attempt to conflate this issue (non) with Issue of separatist resentment.

Agriculture land

Title of Inherited Agriculture land remains with the owner even if he becomes Citizen of another country via any route. Even if he gets Citizenship via asylum route.

when they get citizenship they lose it

No they do not lose it. They are only prohibited to buy Argi land, but they can buy residential and commercial land. Guess what they even buy Agri land and get Land use changed.

and then they have resentment

For what ? The title of the land remains with them they can do whatever they want. Like any person few keep it, few give it to their trustworthy person to use it for agriculture, few sell it.

with the government that change this rule

Which tense your are using ? Which Government ? Which Rule ?

Why can't you admit you were misinformed.

 

[Screambowl]

You are changing statement after statement. Your fallacies are getting more and more twisted.

Most of these people have agriculture land and when they get citizenship they lose it and then they have resentment with the government that change this rule.
Ask people in punjab they will tell you ..

^^This is what you said.

Since you are too clasped I am going to dissect your statement in further small parts.

Most of the People

You made it look like a widespread problem when it is not. Your exaggeration was part of your attempt to conflate this issue (non) with Issue of separatist resentment.

Agriculture land

Title of Inherited Agriculture land remains with the owner even if he becomes Citizen of another country via any route. Even if he gets Citizenship via asylum route.

when they get citizenship they lose it

No they do not lose it. They are only prohibited to buy Argi land, but they can buy residential and commercial land. Guess what they even buy Agri land and get Land use changed.

and then they have resentment

For what ? The title of the land remains with them they can do whatever they want. Like any person few keep it, few give it to their trustworthy person to use it for agriculture, few sell it.

with the government that change this rule

Which tense your are using ? Which Government ? Which Rule ?

Why can't you admit you were misinformed.

Most of these people
these are those who have sought asylum

and for overall NRI, there were talks that govt might bring a new rule where NRI cant inherit their agricultural property.

 

[dhananjay1]

Yeah I have seen a Anti India group while tracking the propaganda,the group is called Singhs of Judah ,they also have a YouTube channel ,they protest Gandhi Statue inauguration even fought against it in govt committee in the US,the so called leader of the free world has formed different committee for human rights and so it can do intervention in countries in name of human rights and there are where Anti India propaganda is given hearing too and report are given to Congress,this is most bizarre khalistani group than the other mainstream Dal Khalsa type

The youtube channel has 24 subscribers.

 

[jackprince]

Most of these people
these are those who have sought asylum

and for overall NRI, there were talks that govt might bring a new rule where NRI cant inherit their agricultural property.

Those who sought asylum are those who must have either hostile intention towards Indian state or vise versa. The claims are fabricated to get an easy access to live in a developed country as we know that India is a democracy where rule of law prevails - mostly. Now, why should we care for the people who renounced their citizenship and denigrated India? I say anyone who sought asylum showing reason of fake persecution by the state of India must be considered an enemy or at least person with hostile intent towards state of India and therefore any property rights they might have in India,UST be revoked.

NRI= Non Residential Indian. They are those who go abroad for business or job purpose and have not relinquished their citizenship. They hold their Indian passport and are citizens of Republic of India. They have equal rights as any other citizen of India. PIO= People of Indian Origin is a different case. They essentially don't have any direct connection or direct stake in the Affairs of India and hence, agriculture lands that generally gets a huge portion of subsidy from the tax payers of India, may be taken away from them or all subsidy must be revoked.

 

[ezsasa]

Trudeau has been as wrong about Sikhs as Pakistan’s ISI & our own AAP

Punjab has no nostalgia or death-wish to return to its really bad days. Trudeau needs to impress this upon his Sikh colleagues and voters.

Punjab’s history is littered with the shattered hopes of powerful and smart people, even nations, who misread its mind and politics. From Pakistan’s ISI, to radical Sikh parties (some of which fought elections) to our own political neophyte AAP and now Canadian liberal politicians, all have made the same three miscalculations:

• That Punjab is predominantly a Sikh state.
• That most, or at least a critical mass of Sikhs are religiously radical and have separatist sympathies, even if these vary in strength at various points of time.
• That it is possible to create such a major polarisation between Sikhs and Hindus in Punjab that you can run a purely “Sikh” politics and achieve your objectives there.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is the latest to pay for this folly. Back in Canada, he obviously spent all his time learning about India and the “Sikh problem” from his own partymen who draw their power from radical gurudwaras. They wouldn’t remind him that the worst terror attack in the history of civil aviation until 9/11 (Air India jumbo ‘Kanishka’, with 329 people dead) was carried out by Canadian Sikh radicals from his country’s soil. And also that his country’s law and “system” had treated the perpetrators relatively lightly and it leaves a bad feeling in India and Punjab, among Hindus and Sikhs. You can’t believe that he won’t know that the majority of those killed in the bombing were Sikh families.

He is a smart politician and he also knows how to win elections. In his small and polarised electorate the block votes of minorities tip the balance. Sikh immigrants are an important vote bank. But, for all his brilliance and charm, he also bought the lemon that most Sikhs are radical, that he could ignore Indian sensitivities. More importantly, that he and his Sikh cabinet colleagues could establish a relationship of their own with Punjab, ignoring and humiliating its duly elected chief minister. Never mind that Punjab is a state in a sovereign nation called India.

I hesitate and hate to say this about a powerful G-7 nation’s young leader so admired around the world. He has to be nuts to land himself in this jam. He has now been made to seek a meeting with Amarinder for himself first and then his ministers, make the statements on India’s unity that he could have made while setting out and avoided the humiliation. He may now also end up losing a bunch of the same coveted Sikh vote back to a rising young Sikh leader Jagmeet Singh who has claims to be more liberal, and more radical (as an immigrant Sikh) than Trudeau. So it’s poor politics and a lousy optics. In India, the only word of sympathy he has received is from Punjab leaders of the opposition Aam Aadmi Party and that too is muted.

The same mistake has been made in the past by many British Labour politicians, on Kashmir as well as Punjab, former foreign secretary Robin Cook being a good example. Between him and that usual suspect, the Duke of Edinburgh, they ruined the Queen’s 1997 visit to India. Other Labour politicians patronised Khalistani groups in Britain at various points of time, unless these vanished.

The last of the great separatists in Britain was Jagjit Singh Chohan, who styled himself as the President of the “Government of Republic of Khalistan” in exile. He spoke with me in a detailed interview on a freezing November 1993 afternoon at his “Council” (welfare) home in Kent and regretted the bloodshed, disowned the myth of Khalistan and said he wanted to return. Which he did, to die in his own motherland, a man chastened but not before tens of thousands of innocent lives were consumed by the madness he fuelled.

That India, in forgiveness, let him come back and live like a free man is a matter of pride for our country. There were many other such. Of the people you might be more familiar with is Harinder Singh Khalsa, elected to the Lok Sabha on an AAP ticket from Fatehgarh Sahib reserved constituency. He is a former IFS officer who quit and sought asylum in Oslo, where he was then posted, protesting against Operation Blue Star. Now a brilliant MP and you can’t imagine him doing anything awful, least of all to his nation.

Former IPS officer Simranjit Singh Mann, who took up the radical agenda, and once elected in 1989 refused to attend Parliament because he wasn’t allowed to take his kirpan inside, has been routinely losing his deposit since. But he lives a peaceful life and the state lets him be. By the way, he and Capt. Amarinder Singh are brothers-in-law.

Punjab has come a very, very long way from the really bad days. Just how bad, I will remind you of in some writings I will share over these couple of days. Punjab, Sikhs and Hindus have all moved on now. The pre-eminent Sikh Party, Shiromani Akali Dal, has shared power thrice in a two-decade-long alliance with India’s biggest Hindu party, BJP. Punjab has elected Congress twice after the end of terrorism.

There are a few nutcases here and there, a few acolytes of the Bhindranwale cult, they do occasionally wave a flag or kirpans. Which are purely ceremonial and blunt, literally and metaphorically. Nobody in India gets neurotic about these. Punjabis do not hate Canada, they actually love it so much they’d love to migrate there. And if the writings on the wall advertising easy visas spell it with a K, not C, it is just phonetic Punjabi spelling.

Punjab now is a state as normal as any other in India. The last thing anybody wants is a return to the bad old times. It’s a nightmare Punjabis want buried forever. If Trudeau returns wiser from this visit, he would impress just this upon his Sikh colleagues and voters.

https://theprint.in/2018/02/22/trudeau-has-been-as-wrong-about-sikhs-as-pakistans-isi-our-own-aap/

 

[thethinker]

PM of Canada doesn't even know how old Canada is.

Canadians recently celebrated 150 years of independence but Candian Pappu says Canada is just 100 years old.


"On an already bad day for the PM, he also struggled with a basic fact about the country he leads - and was trying to promote in front of this business audience in New Delhi:"

This is what happens to your mental abilities when you hang out with Jihadis and Khalistanis.

 

[Moroboshi]

PM of Canada doesn't even know how old Canada is.

Canadians recently celebrated 150 years of independence but Candian Pappu says Canada is just 100 years old.


"On an already bad day for the PM, he also struggled with a basic fact about the country he leads - and was trying to promote in front of this business audience in New Delhi:"

This is what happens to your mental abilities when you hang out with Jihadis and Khalistanis.

I would argue that having diminished mental abilities is a prerequisite to hang out with jihadis.

 

[jat]

Khalistanis are one thing, but Sikhs are in a grey area. Its not a black and white issue. its emotionally charged. Its not like Punjab or India belongs to "hindus" and brahmins. Whats Sikhs want to more than Khalistan is justice. Deliver that, before calling every second proud sikh/punjabi a khalistani.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

On a lighter note.

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[dhananjay1]

Trudeau has been as wrong about Sikhs as Pakistan’s ISI & our own AAP

Punjab has no nostalgia or death-wish to return to its really bad days. Trudeau needs to impress this upon his Sikh colleagues and voters.

Punjab’s history is littered with the shattered hopes of powerful and smart people, even nations, who misread its mind and politics. From Pakistan’s ISI, to radical Sikh parties (some of which fought elections) to our own political neophyte AAP and now Canadian liberal politicians, all have made the same three miscalculations:

• That Punjab is predominantly a Sikh state.
• That most, or at least a critical mass of Sikhs are religiously radical and have separatist sympathies, even if these vary in strength at various points of time.
• That it is possible to create such a major polarisation between Sikhs and Hindus in Punjab that you can run a purely “Sikh” politics and achieve your objectives there.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is the latest to pay for this folly. Back in Canada, he obviously spent all his time learning about India and the “Sikh problem” from his own partymen who draw their power from radical gurudwaras. They wouldn’t remind him that the worst terror attack in the history of civil aviation until 9/11 (Air India jumbo ‘Kanishka’, with 329 people dead) was carried out by Canadian Sikh radicals from his country’s soil. And also that his country’s law and “system” had treated the perpetrators relatively lightly and it leaves a bad feeling in India and Punjab, among Hindus and Sikhs. You can’t believe that he won’t know that the majority of those killed in the bombing were Sikh families.

He is a smart politician and he also knows how to win elections. In his small and polarised electorate the block votes of minorities tip the balance. Sikh immigrants are an important vote bank. But, for all his brilliance and charm, he also bought the lemon that most Sikhs are radical, that he could ignore Indian sensitivities. More importantly, that he and his Sikh cabinet colleagues could establish a relationship of their own with Punjab, ignoring and humiliating its duly elected chief minister. Never mind that Punjab is a state in a sovereign nation called India.

I hesitate and hate to say this about a powerful G-7 nation’s young leader so admired around the world. He has to be nuts to land himself in this jam. He has now been made to seek a meeting with Amarinder for himself first and then his ministers, make the statements on India’s unity that he could have made while setting out and avoided the humiliation. He may now also end up losing a bunch of the same coveted Sikh vote back to a rising young Sikh leader Jagmeet Singh who has claims to be more liberal, and more radical (as an immigrant Sikh) than Trudeau. So it’s poor politics and a lousy optics. In India, the only word of sympathy he has received is from Punjab leaders of the opposition Aam Aadmi Party and that too is muted.

The same mistake has been made in the past by many British Labour politicians, on Kashmir as well as Punjab, former foreign secretary Robin Cook being a good example. Between him and that usual suspect, the Duke of Edinburgh, they ruined the Queen’s 1997 visit to India. Other Labour politicians patronised Khalistani groups in Britain at various points of time, unless these vanished.

The last of the great separatists in Britain was Jagjit Singh Chohan, who styled himself as the President of the “Government of Republic of Khalistan” in exile. He spoke with me in a detailed interview on a freezing November 1993 afternoon at his “Council” (welfare) home in Kent and regretted the bloodshed, disowned the myth of Khalistan and said he wanted to return. Which he did, to die in his own motherland, a man chastened but not before tens of thousands of innocent lives were consumed by the madness he fuelled.

That India, in forgiveness, let him come back and live like a free man is a matter of pride for our country. There were many other such. Of the people you might be more familiar with is Harinder Singh Khalsa, elected to the Lok Sabha on an AAP ticket from Fatehgarh Sahib reserved constituency. He is a former IFS officer who quit and sought asylum in Oslo, where he was then posted, protesting against Operation Blue Star. Now a brilliant MP and you can’t imagine him doing anything awful, least of all to his nation.

Former IPS officer Simranjit Singh Mann, who took up the radical agenda, and once elected in 1989 refused to attend Parliament because he wasn’t allowed to take his kirpan inside, has been routinely losing his deposit since. But he lives a peaceful life and the state lets him be. By the way, he and Capt. Amarinder Singh are brothers-in-law.

Punjab has come a very, very long way from the really bad days. Just how bad, I will remind you of in some writings I will share over these couple of days. Punjab, Sikhs and Hindus have all moved on now. The pre-eminent Sikh Party, Shiromani Akali Dal, has shared power thrice in a two-decade-long alliance with India’s biggest Hindu party, BJP. Punjab has elected Congress twice after the end of terrorism.

There are a few nutcases here and there, a few acolytes of the Bhindranwale cult, they do occasionally wave a flag or kirpans. Which are purely ceremonial and blunt, literally and metaphorically. Nobody in India gets neurotic about these. Punjabis do not hate Canada, they actually love it so much they’d love to migrate there. And if the writings on the wall advertising easy visas spell it with a K, not C, it is just phonetic Punjabi spelling.

Punjab now is a state as normal as any other in India. The last thing anybody wants is a return to the bad old times. It’s a nightmare Punjabis want buried forever. If Trudeau returns wiser from this visit, he would impress just this upon his Sikh colleagues and voters.

https://theprint.in/2018/02/22/trudeau-has-been-as-wrong-about-sikhs-as-pakistans-isi-our-own-aap/

Shekhar Gupta not being a scumbag, for a change.

 

[dhananjay1]

On a lighter note.

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Jastinbhai Pujari

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[mayfair]

@Screambowl is mixed up in his own propaganda. Looks like the system needs a reboot, a technical glitch in the software I suppose.

Regarding Atwal, things are quite curious. He was a part of the group of expat Sikhs who were sort of "de-blacklisted" by the government

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/jaspal-atwal-no-longer-on-mha-blacklist/547988.html

Jaspal Atwal, a convicted Khalistani terrorist, whose invitation to a dinner in honour of visiting Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was rescinded following a controversy, no longer figures on the Home Ministry’s blacklist of Sikh extremists, officials said.

The Central Government time-to-time reviews the blacklist of the Sikh extremists taking into account intelligence inputs and activities of the persons concerned, a Home Ministry official said.

Names of nearly 150 wanted terrorists and their associates were removed from the blacklist in the last few years, the official said.

“Atwal’s name no longer figures in the current blacklist,” the official said.

The review of the blacklist is always done in consultation with the Punjab Government and Central security agencies.

As a part of the outreach to the Canadian Sikh community.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/pu...eaning-sikhs-from-khalistan-lobby/394129.html

So it seems that Kaneda decided to take advantage of our outreach to our brethren in that land and decided to muddy the waters with a deliberate invite to Atwal.

 

[Screambowl]

Those who sought asylum are those who must have either hostile intention towards Indian state or vise versa.

Now, why should we care for the people who renounced their citizenship and denigrated India?

Achaa!!
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One side you can't give them jobs and when they somehow leave the country you blame them. Come to practical life how tough it is for such people. There are so many educated people in Punjab but glamour destroyed them why? Whose failure it is? Your and mine. so it is high time to think about our mistakes and rectify them.
FYI it's government's policy to keep sending people out of the country.

Rest whatever you have written is just a theory not the reality.

NRI= Non Residential Indian. They are those who go abroad for business or job purpose and have not relinquished their citizenship

PIO= People of Indian Origin is a different case. They essentially don't have any direct connection or direct stake in the Affairs of India and hence, agriculture lands that generally gets a huge portion of subsidy from the tax payers of India, may be taken away from them or all subsidy must be revoked.

Already replaced by OCI if you want to opt. And most PIO gets converted into OCI

 

[Pandeyji]

But you said the law is already there. Now you are saying law will come into act.

It's Screambowl, the old enemy of facts & logic.

Jastinbhai Pujari

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[jackprince]

Achaa!!
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One side you can't give them jobs and when they somehow leave the country you blame them. Come to practical life how tough it is for such people. There are so many educated people in Punjab but glamour destroyed them why? Whose failure it is? Your and mine. so it is high time to think about our mistakes and rectify them.
FYI it's government's policy to keep sending people out of the country.

So, if one cannot get job they has to leave and claim asylum? That would be a hilarious argument, if it were not so sad. "ASYLUM" means seeking refuge. If one is seeking refuge from the state of India, he certainly is not painting India in vibrant colour, but making up stories of institutional persecution to get his asylum status. Such people should be treated just as a criminal and every right they would have otherwise should be stripped away once they get asylum or citizenship at the other nation.