Can Isis get access to pakistan's nuclear weapons?

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I really hope this escalates and NATO, Russia, USA hit pakis and take away their toys. Easier said than done, but it may happen if a nuclear device or fuel is found in ISIS possession with paki signature.
 
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Pakistan has always said their bomb is an Islamic bomb . Why do people think that this scenario is not possible?


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In my opinion the West, China and Russia will have to come to an agreement to undertake the joint operation in order to accomplish the task. How and when this takes place depends upon the outcome of the crisis of M.E. Once new State of Kurdistan is created the next task will be Baluchistan issue to be resolved. This will be followed by demilitarization of Pakistan whether they like it or not. This will be massive operation involving NATO, Russian Israel and Indian forces from every possible entry point.
 

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Definitely, Why not. There may be many people of Pak army on the payroll of ISIS.
 

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If there ever be an attempt to defang this subhuman country, it should be done with great surprise, great atrocity and an unprecedented cooperation.
 

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I have no idea how denuclearization of Pakistan can be achieved. All I know is that it MUST be on the topmost agenda of every right-thinking nation on the planet. India, USA, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Australia - everyone needs to put their heads together, have a massive combined intelligence operation to denuclearize the Pakis. If China has some sense, they would contribute to this mission too, but knowing the affinity China has for having their posterior licked by Pakis, it is more likely that they would just scuttle the program.

Maybe we should start brainstorming at a layman level, the methods that can be used to achieve this aim.

One thing I can think of: photochor AQ Khan and Musharrat are disgraced in Pakistan and are facing myriad troubles of their own. We could probably think of purchasing them by offering them untold wealth and a new secret life in the West, or even in a remote place in India like the hills of Ooty in Tamilnadu or a quiet suburb of the East coast off Vishakapatnam or some such isolated place. Give them and their family untold riches, give them a new identity and pull them out. Extract every ounce of information they can provide us. This can be a first step.

Subsequently we can probably arrange targeted assassinations and shootings of their top nuclear administrators. We can orchestrate attacks on their nuke installations via "non state actors".

Finally, one giant overt push can be given, with attacks on their nuclear installations by drones and stealth aircraft.

Not sure how realistic and feasible this is. But I hope intelligence agencies around the world are putting their heads together, especially Doval.

Once the Pakis are nook-nude, they can have as many Taliban or ISIS as they want, they can do whatever the heck they want to their country, no one will really care anymore.

Israeli PM Ehud Barak in an interview revealed that the US has a special capability to destroy nukes in the deepest of the deep fortified bunker which even Israel doesn't have. Israel has been asking them to share the technology but they were being denied. This also corroborates with what I've read in certain books when there was hard negotiating between US and Pakistan in the aftermath of 9/11, the US representative is believed to have said to a dissenting Pakistan "we have ships waiting with precise GPS co-ordinates for 130 locations", hinting that the US had knowledge of their location and the military capability to take out Pakistan's nukes.

Pakistan will continue to have nukes as long as it is in American interest to let them have nukes, they have recently been granted a 850 million gift by Obama. The biggest problem we have is that we delude ourselves that 'USA, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Australia' are right thinking nations, implying erroneously that they will favor India's interests over their own.

"Maybe we should start brainstorming at a layman level"

The solution to this is calculating why these nations are comfortable letting Pakistan have nukes? Because these nations face no threat from them owing to lack of long range delivery mechanism which could reach these nations. The moment Pakistan acquires a long range delivery mechanism, all these nations will start taking the threat seriously. To that end, we must make it our life's goal to let Pakistan acquire long range missiles. It makes no difference to us as Pakistan had already acquired the range to hit all of India back in 2003 itself. Any supplementary range that they add to their missiles isn't going to skew the equation for us, but it will mess up the equations of all other nations who fall in that range.

The reason these western nations don't care about India's concerns is because we have failed to build a narrative of 'shared threat' or 'common enemy' with them. Pakistan acquiring long range missile technology will suddenly bring the threat to the doorsteps of these nations. That is when they will be more amenable to our concerns. Basically we need to blackmail these nations like Israel does with their 'Samson option' threat. Unless we change our mindset, nothing is going to change.
 
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If there ever be an attempt to defang this subhuman country, it should be done with great surprise, great atrocity and an unprecedented cooperation.
The operation of this magnitude will be one of the biggest involving major powers regardless of their ideological and Geo political differences and will have to be surprise as well in order to prevent any use of tactical nuclear weapons and launching of the same towards neighboring nations such as India, Afghanistan and Iran.

India is going to hold Military exercises with all the ASEAN countries plus eight other countries such as USA, China plus more. Once M.E. situation is taken care of we will have more frequent exercise in this neighborhood and at the appropriate time action will be executed.

Once the Gawadar port becomes operational China will be blackmailed by Pakistan for more money for using the POK area with moral support from the USA which will lead to tension between the CPEC partners. This will lead to threats from both sides and China might fall into the Indian-USA camp and formation of an alliance in order to achieve the demilitarization of Pakistan goal.

This is what I see taking place in order to establish long-term peace in the region. Nukes in the hands of Pakistan are a threat to China as well. It is in the interest of China as well to do the right thing down the road.
 

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Israeli PM Ehud Barak in an interview revealed that the US has a special capability to destroy nukes in the deepest of the deep fortified bunker which even Israel doesn't have. Israel has been asking them to share the technology but they were being denied. This also corroborates with what I've read in certain books when there was hard negotiating between US and Pakistan in the aftermath of 9/11, the US representative is believed to have said to a dissenting Pakistan "we have ships waiting with precise GPS co-ordinates for 130 locations", hinting that the US had knowledge of their location and the military capability to take out Pakistan's nukes.

Pakistan will continue to have nukes as long as it is in American interest to let them have nukes, they have recently been granted a 850 million gift by Obama. The biggest problem we have is that we delude ourselves that 'USA, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Australia' are right thinking nations, implying erroneously that they will favor India's interests over their own.

"Maybe we should start brainstorming at a layman level"

The solution to this is calculating why these nations are comfortable letting Pakistan have nukes? Because these nations face no threat from them owing to lack of long range delivery mechanism which could reach these nations. The moment Pakistan acquires a long range delivery mechanism, all these nations will start taking the threat seriously. To that end, we must make it our life's goal to let Pakistan acquire long range missiles. It makes no difference to us as Pakistan had already acquired the range to hit all of India back in 2003 itself. Any supplementary range that they add to their missiles isn't going to skew the equation for us, but it will mess up the equations of all other nations who fall in that range.

The reason these western nations don't care about India's concerns is because we have failed to build a narrative of 'shared threat' or 'common enemy' with them. Pakistan acquiring long range missile technology will suddenly bring the threat to the doorsteps of these nations. That is when they will be more amenable to our concerns. Basically we need to blackmail these nations like Israel does with their 'Samson option' threat. Unless we change our mindset, nothing is going to change.
I agree with your analysis on how to wake up West to realize the real threat Pakistan's nuclear arsenal poses for them in the long run. There was a time when none of the countries listened to India's narrative about the terrorist training camps in Pakistan and now they are fighting the menace for the last fifteen years with no end in sight.
 

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The reason these western nations don't care about India's concerns is because we have failed to build a narrative of 'shared threat' or 'common enemy' with them. Pakistan acquiring long range missile technology will suddenly bring the threat to the doorsteps of these nations. That is when they will be more amenable to our concerns. Basically we need to blackmail these nations like Israel does with their 'Samson option' threat. Unless we change our mindset, nothing is going to change.
North Korea nuclear test: A cancer that spread from Pakistan

The seismic shock generated by the North Korean nuclear test may not have been felt by countries in the west, but it did set off a chain reaction of sorts. The isolated communist regime in the Korean peninsula claimed on Wednesday that it had successfully detonated a hydrogen bomb, much to the chagrin of US, China, Japan, South Korea, the United Nations and Nato. Analysts were, however, skeptical of Pyongyang’s claims, but agree that more study would present a clear picture whether the country has perfected nuclear technology.

During the time of Kim Jong-Il, father of the current “supreme leader” Kim Jong-Un, Korea began taking a keen interest in nuclear technology. By the 90s, the country’s two plutonium facilities in Yongbyon and Taechon were capable of producing close to 30 atomic bombs annually. However, Korea, which signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1985, could not actively develop nuclear weapons. In the summer of 1996, Korea had reached an agreement with Pakistan to trade their long-range missile technology in exchange for its highly enriched uranium (HEU) program. The architect of Pakistan’s nuclear program, AQ khan, had even sold designs of uranium enrichment centrifuges to Korea. And Pakistan had modified Korean missile design to develop its mid-range surface-to-surface missile Ghauri. Years later, North Korea had successfully conducted nuclear tests in 2006, 2009 and 2013.


The question, however, remains whether they are close to developing an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) that is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. By 1998, Korea has successfully developed the Nodong missile that brought parts of South Korea and most of Japan within its crosshairs. The bright side is that its crosshairs has an error of around 2-4 kilometer radius, according to a paper published by the Center for Nonproliferation Studies. The downside is that any attempt to target security installations could result in the missile landing in civilian areas. The Nodong, which has a range of 1000 kilometers, is reportedly capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. The 2000s saw Korea develop the Taepodong series that are capable of lighting up Alaska, a United States territory located northwest of Canada.

illustration source: Council of Foreign relations
Named after Korea’s highest mountain, the Taepodong-2 (Paektusan in North Korea) spectacularly failed thrice, most notably in 2006 when it blew up 40 seconds into flight. Its technology was nonetheless perfected by Korean scientists and a space launcher version of the missile known as Unha, Galaxy in Korean, was successfully tested in 2012. This paved the way for an advanced KN-08 missile that is believed to be capable of carrying a nuclear payload. The website 38 North, operated by the US-Korea Institute at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, reported in December, 2015 that “with a light warhead, the KN-08 would have a range of roughly 9,000 km, enough to cover the US west coast”.

US Adm. Bill Gortney grudgingly admitted that the North Koreans are close to achieving a long-range missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

“Our assessment is that they have the ability to put a nuclear weapon on a KN-08 and shoot it at the homeland,” Gortney told reporters during a Pentagon briefing last year. “That is the way we think, and that’s our assessment of the process.”

Besides from using its missile capabilities as leverage against western powers, North Korea has considerably profited from developing missiles. The Center for Nonproliferation Studies, citing a US military source, reported that the impoverished nation’s missile exports totaled $580 million in 2001. Major buyers of North Korean missiles from the middle east include Iran, Syria, Yemen and Egypt. Joshua Pollack, an arms expert, wrote in a 2011 report titled ‘The Evolution of North Korea’s Ballistic Missile Market’ that 40 per cent of missiles supplied between 1987 and 2009 to developing nations came from North Korea. Though trade has considerably diminished over the years due to seizures and countries becoming more independent in developing missiles, North Korea has become responsible for arming warring factions in middle east conflicts. Pollack quotes an unnamed US official as saying that “North Korea’s missile trade is like a localized cancer that starts to spread. First you see the missile sales, but then
it spreads to services and production technology and becomes harder and harder to track.”


http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...lear-test-a-cancer-that-spread-from-pakistan/
 

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If there ever be an attempt to defang this subhuman country, it should be done with great surprise, great atrocity and an unprecedented cooperation.
Don't need to be an entire country, its just the institutions that need to be handled.
 

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Nope. If the nukes are gone, the country will be tossed into chaos, there will be mass migrations, power vacuums, new warlords. We need to prepare to respond to all of that brutally. @spikey360 is right.
That country has always been in chaos, doesn't mean we will leave it in chaos. Installing an Indian friendly govt. should be the goal. Having stable neighbors is what every country looks for.

Frankly all these are just fantasy talks anyway. Until we have opposition and prestitutes pulling our own govt. legs such cooperation is just fantasy.
 

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strange , i thought walid shoebat was some converted evangelist

but even so , his views are apparently taken seriously at the strategic forums ( fora )



nice objectives to have ...... but this is very different from nabbing OBL in abbotabad

this is talking really about taking on a whole country ....ref shoebat's assessment that 98% of packland
supports the violent type of jihad

so the approach will have to be totally non-military ..... until the last stage , that is
.remember that packlanders are physical fighters by nature - let's not kid ourselves
they do have it in them , it's already in their genes .

so bombing and all that droning etc - that kind of stuff is gonna bring about a strong if not swift retaliation
and and i would never rule out an EMP -bomb type attack on the usa britain and even india .

catching hold of this pakland -snake needs a snake -charmer ...... pity because now according to Modi
we have left that old profession to instead become mouse-charmers :rolleyes:

anyway we need to see how serious the usa and NATO are about tackling this matter
we cant do it alone - we will need a quiet coalition -

until that's done it's just a bunch of N:A:T:O . ----- No Action Talk Only
dear indian pakistan denuclearization is impossible bcz america ciado not know that where is pak nuke arms , only PM, FORIENGHN MINISTER , DEFENSE MINISTER , PRESIDENT ,ARMY CHIEF ,CHAIRMAN OF JOINT STAFF COMITY AND ISI CHIEF are aware about the nuke place , so leave the false propaganda of pak nuke arms can go n terrorist hands.
 

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I have no idea how denuclearization of Pakistan can be achieved. All I know is that it MUST be on the topmost agenda of every right-thinking nation on the planet. India, USA, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Australia - everyone needs to put their heads together, have a massive combined intelligence operation to denuclearize the Pakis. If China has some sense, they would contribute to this mission too, but knowing the affinity China has for having their posterior licked by Pakis, it is more likely that they would just scuttle the program.

Maybe we should start brainstorming at a layman level, the methods that can be used to achieve this aim.

One thing I can think of: photochor AQ Khan and Musharrat are disgraced in Pakistan and are facing myriad troubles of their own. We could probably think of purchasing them by offering them untold wealth and a new secret life in the West, or even in a remote place in India like the hills of Ooty in Tamilnadu or a quiet suburb of the East coast off Vishakapatnam or some such isolated place. Give them and their family untold riches, give them a new identity and pull them out. Extract every ounce of information they can provide us. This can be a first step.

Subsequently we can probably arrange targeted assassinations and shootings of their top nuclear administrators. We can orchestrate attacks on their nuke installations via "non state actors".

Finally, one giant overt push can be given, with attacks on their nuclear installations by drones and stealth aircraft.

Not sure how realistic and feasible this is. But I hope intelligence agencies around the world are putting their heads together, especially Doval.

Once the Pakis are nook-nude, they can have as many Taliban or ISIS as they want, they can do whatever the heck they want to their country, no one will really care anymore.

stop false hatred propaganda against pakistan , see thier how many expulsion yet occurred in india ,USA nuke places and there even not a single expulsion or misuse in pak nuke laboratories occurred.yet CIA and any agency doe not know where the paki nukes are? than how can a terrorist come to know about it. in pakistan only PM,FOREIGN ,DEFENSE ,INTERIOR MINISTERS, PRESIDENT ,ARMY , ISIS CHIEFS AND CHAIRMAN OF JOINT STAFF COMITY know about the nuke place and codes .
pakistan nuke system is one of the world most advance it is like a simple bomb until the fission process are started , the fission process only can start specialized engineers not any terrorist .see on youtube samar mubarak mand video about the pak nuke program.
as the your dreams that france , germany , india , usa should join to eliminate pak nuke is a best dream when one s so free and can not find any work .
 

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