C-17 Globemaster III (IAF)

[Sancho]

And here we go again.

MoD asks for C-17 offer extension (again)
by Saurabh Joshi • January 16, 2018

The Indian defence ministry has asked the U.S. Government for a third extension of the validity of the Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) for the purchase of the last C-17 Globemaster III heavy lift aircraft. This request was made less than a week before the expiry of the LOA. The defence ministry’s Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC) has already approved the purchase.

The letter expired on Monday.

As reported by StratPost, the defence ministry had requested and received an extension of the offer in mid-October, and again, in mid-November...

https://www.stratpost.com/mod-asks-...tter&utm_campaign=Feed:+stratpost+(StratPost)

 

[Sancho]

C17 operations to demonstrate air lift capabilities near Chinese borders:

 

[delbruky]

Does anyone have any updates of the status of the additional C17 that was approved for procurement late last year by Suresh Prabhu's department ??

 

[delbruky]

I have not confidence in the lethargic bureaucracy. In my opinion Indian and bureaucracy in general do not deserve democracy.

 

[pankaj nema]

Does anyone have any updates of the status of the additional C17 that was approved for procurement late last year by Suresh Prabhu's department ??

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[WolfPack86]

Indian Air Force now in final stretch to receive Boeing's last new C-17 with Letter of Acceptance (LoA) done & dusted. Aircraft being modified to IAF requirements. Delivery date to be decided.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamINDRA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[captscooby81]

If only we could have better vision we should have ordered for another 10 more before the production shutdown .kya bole everything in this country is fucked up so bad when it comes to defence procurement.

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[WolfPack86]

We could have easily order 20 C-17 globe master aircraft but thanks to the defence procurement method of our country and netas. We wasted our precious time.

 

[Sancho]

We could have easily order 20 C-17 globe master aircraft but thanks to the defence procurement method of our country and netas. We wasted our precious time.

We could have ordered 50 more, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. The C17 is great for long range or very heavy strategic transport missions, but it's wasted if they only transport limited load to short to medium distances. Government reports of the US as well as India shows, that most of the flights are underutilised wrt the carried payload. In this test for example, it just carried 18t of load, compared to 77t that it could be at max.

More and more countries are opting for A400/C-2 class aircrafts instead, since they offer similar advantages of tactical and strategic transports, at lower unit and operational costs.

 

[asianobserve]

We could have ordered 50 more, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. The C17 is great for long range or very heavy strategic transport missions, but it's wasted if the only transport limited load to short to medium distances. Government reports of the US as well as India shows , that most of the flights are underutilised wrt the carried payload. In this test for example, it just carried 18t of load, compared to 77t that it could be at max.

More and more countries are opting for A400/C-2 class aircrafts instead, since they offer similar advantages of tactical and strategic transports, at lower unit and operational costs.

A400M is a disaster for Airbus...

Airbus records new €1.3bn charge on A400M problems
https://www.ft.com/content/cf4751d4-1217-11e8-8cb6-b9ccc4c4dbbb

Airbus to cut A400M production
http://www.janes.com/article/78453/airbus-to-cut-a400m-production

 

[delbruky]

We could have easily order 20 C-17 globe master aircraft but thanks to the defence procurement method of our country and netas. We wasted our precious time.

Yeah but we saved some money, right?

 

[Prashant12]

Indian contract for final C-17 awarded

Boeing has been contracted to deliver its final C-17 Globemaster III strategic airlifter to India.

India will field 11 C-17s by the time that the final aircraft is delivered in August 2019. (Boeing)

A USD262 million award for the delivery of the last C-17 to the Indian Air Force (IAF) to roll off the now-closed production line at Long Beach, California, was announced on 30 March. The aircraft, which was built as a ‘white-tail’ (with no customer yet signed up), will join the 10 C-17s already fielded by the IAF by 22 August 2019.

This contract follows US State Department approval of the sale, which the Defense Security and Cooperation Agency (DSCA) had originally put at USD336.2 million.

http://www.janes.com/article/78966/indian-contract-for-final-c-17-awarded

 

[ethanscott]

so are we becoming part of the C-17 GSP (global-sustainment-partnership) Pool
DID Focus: The Global C-17 Sustainment Partnership

I actually found this surprising.

 

[Manish Khan]

Great choice.though we'll need more than ten to strengthen our heavy lift and deployment capability

i agree with that,the long-distance deployment capability is much needed!

 

[bhramos]

Sri Lankan military personnel and their families bought to Officers Training Academy, Chennai via IAF's C-17

 

[Tanmay]

$ 650 mil would have got us 2-3 C 17s ! Never knew follow on supports costs this much. Russians would have been milking us similarly over decades.

Gives an idea of lifecycle costs of equipment.


https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/india-c-17-sustainment-follow-support


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WASHINGTON, July 26, 2019 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to India of C-17 sustainment follow-on support for an estimated cost of $670 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on July 26, 2019.

The Government of India has requested to buy equipment for C-17 follow-on support, to include spares and repair parts; support equipment; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documentation; support and test equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistical support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $670 million.

This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to strengthen the U.S.-Indian strategic relationship and to improve the mobility capabilities of a major defensive partner, which continues to be an important force for political stability, peace, and economic progress in the Indo-Pacific and South Asia region.

India needs this follow-on support to maintain its operational readiness and ability to provide Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HA/DR) assistance in the region. India will have no difficulty absorbing this support into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractor will be the Boeing Corporation, Chicago, Illinois. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, however, the purchaser typically requests offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the prime contractor.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of one U.S. Government representative and 23 contractor representatives to India.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, [email protected].

 

[nongaddarliberal]

$ 650 mil would have got us 2-3 C 17s ! Never knew follow on supports costs this much. Russians would have been milking us similarly over decades.

Gives an idea of lifecycle costs of equipment.


https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/india-c-17-sustainment-follow-support


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WASHINGTON, July 26, 2019 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to India of C-17 sustainment follow-on support for an estimated cost of $670 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on July 26, 2019.

The Government of India has requested to buy equipment for C-17 follow-on support, to include spares and repair parts; support equipment; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documentation; support and test equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistical support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $670 million.

This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to strengthen the U.S.-Indian strategic relationship and to improve the mobility capabilities of a major defensive partner, which continues to be an important force for political stability, peace, and economic progress in the Indo-Pacific and South Asia region.

India needs this follow-on support to maintain its operational readiness and ability to provide Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HA/DR) assistance in the region. India will have no difficulty absorbing this support into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractor will be the Boeing Corporation, Chicago, Illinois. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, however, the purchaser typically requests offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the prime contractor.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of one U.S. Government representative and 23 contractor representatives to India.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, [email protected].

"The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region."

Excuse me, Wtf? So now it's stated US policy to not let India alter the military balance in the region? Yeah, great "friends".

 

[sorcerer]

"The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region."

Excuse me, Wtf? So now it's stated US policy to not let India alter the military balance in the region? Yeah, great "friends".

Thats the REASSURANCE for the "diarrheic" Neighbors of India


Even if we bring any weapons..it should not alter the balance in the region .. ya know

 

[Tanmay]

"The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region."

Excuse me, Wtf? So now it's stated US policy to not let India alter the military balance in the region? Yeah, great "friends".

Yes. Many such weird quotes.
Also even in official Indian reports too much importance given to "HADR ops". Navy LHDs, ships, C-130, C-17 and every other acquisition mentions HADR more than offensive capabilities.

 

[abingdonboy]

$ 650 mil would have got us 2-3 C 17s ! Never knew follow on supports costs this much. Russians would have been milking us similarly over decades.

Gives an idea of lifecycle costs of equipment.


https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/india-c-17-sustainment-follow-support


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WASHINGTON, July 26, 2019 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to India of C-17 sustainment follow-on support for an estimated cost of $670 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on July 26, 2019.

The Government of India has requested to buy equipment for C-17 follow-on support, to include spares and repair parts; support equipment; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documentation; support and test equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistical support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $670 million.

This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to strengthen the U.S.-Indian strategic relationship and to improve the mobility capabilities of a major defensive partner, which continues to be an important force for political stability, peace, and economic progress in the Indo-Pacific and South Asia region.

India needs this follow-on support to maintain its operational readiness and ability to provide Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HA/DR) assistance in the region. India will have no difficulty absorbing this support into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractor will be the Boeing Corporation, Chicago, Illinois. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, however, the purchaser typically requests offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the prime contractor.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of one U.S. Government representative and 23 contractor representatives to India.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, [email protected].

The deal is likely over at least 10 years so $67m/year.

It will include more level D full mission simulators which alone cost $10+ m each.

No doubt that modern military equipment is not cheap and remember that India got a PBL from Boeing for the C17 fleet to maintain 85% availability at all times, this sort of capability is very expensive to ensure as it requires massive amounts of preventative maintenance and replacing of spares before they have reached the end of their service life.

"The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region."

Excuse me, Wtf? So now it's stated US policy to not let India alter the military balance in the region? Yeah, great "friends".

This is a line that is included in EVERY letter of authorisation concerning sales to India.

US has a very overbearing and patronising view of itself.

Yes. Many such weird quotes.
Also even in official Indian reports too much importance given to "HADR ops". Navy LHDs, ships, C-130, C-17 and every other acquisition mentions HADR more than offensive capabilities.

Military sales to India are pretty sensitive in the US so they like to highlight the non-military applications.

The fact is the C-130Js are explicitly inducted to transport SFs on offensive missions or that the C17s have already been used to Transport entire brigades to the border on short notice along with MBTs.