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India's shoot-to-kill policy on the Bangladesh border
Security officials openly admit that unarmed civilians trying to enter India illegally are being killed. Will the government act?


An Indian border guard standing alert as a farmer leads her cow alongside fencing marking the India-Bangladesh border in the village of Jaypur, west of Agartala.
Brad Adams
Guardian.co.uk

Do good fences make good neighbours? Not along the India-Bangladesh border. Here, India has almost finished building a 2,000km fence. Where once people on both sides were part of a greater Bengal, now India has put up a "keep out" sign to stop illegal immigration, smuggling and infiltration by anti-government militants.

This might seem unexceptional in a world increasingly hostile to migration. But to police the border, India's Border Security Force (BSF), has carried out a shoot-to-kill policy – even on unarmed local villagers. The toll has been huge. Over the past 10 years Indian security forces have killed almost 1,000 people, mostly Bangladeshis, turning the border area into a south Asian killing fields. No one has been prosecuted for any of these killings, in spite of evidence in many cases that makes it clear the killings were in cold blood against unarmed and defenceless local residents.

Shockingly, some Indian officials endorse shooting people who attempt to cross the border illegally, even if they are unarmed. Almost as shocking is the lack of interest in these killings by foreign governments who claim to be concerned with human rights. A single killing by US law enforcement along the Mexican border makes headlines. The killing of large numbers of villagers by Indian forces has been almost entirely ignored.

The violence is routine and arbitrary. Alauddin Biswas described to Human Rights Watch the killing of his 24-year-old nephew, who was suspected of cattle rustling, by Indian border guards in March 2010. "The BSF had shot him while he was lying on his back. They shot him in the forehead. If he was running away, he would have been shot in the back. They just killed him." The BSF claimed self-defence, but no weapons were recovered.

Nazrul Islam, a Bangladeshi, was luckier. "At around 3am we decided to cross the Indian border," he said. He was headed to India to smuggle cows back to Bangladesh. "As soon as the BSF saw us, they started firing without warning." Islam was shot in his arm, but survived.

Some of the victims have been children. One father recounted how his sons were beaten by BSF officers. "The BSF personnel surrounded the boys and without giving any reason started beating them with rifle *****, kicking and slapping them. There were nine soldiers, and they beat my sons mercilessly. Even as the boys fell down, the BSF men continued to kick them ruthlessly on their chest and other sensitive organs."

The border has long been crossed routinely by local people for trade and commerce. It is also crossed by relatives and friends separated by a line arbitrarily drawn by the British during partition in 1947. As with the Mexican border in the United States, the border has become an emotive issue in Indian politics, as millions of Bangladeshis now live in India illegally. Many are exploited as cheap labour.

India has the right to impose border controls. But India does not have the right to use lethal force except where strictly necessary to protect life. Yet some Indian officials openly admit that unarmed civilians are being killed. The head of the BSF, Raman Srivastava, says that people should not feel sorry for the victims, claiming that since these individuals were illegally entering Indian territory, often at night, they were "not innocent" and therefore were a legitimate target.

Though India is a state with functional courts, he apparently believes the BSF can act as judge, jury and executioner. This approach also ignores the many victims, such as a 13-year-old named Abdur Rakib, who broke no law and was killed simply because he was near the fence. Sadly, Bangladeshi border officials have also suggested that such killings are acceptable if the victim was engaged in smuggling.

As the recent WikiLeaks report about endemic torture in Kashmir underscores, Indian soldiers and police routinely commit human rights violations without any consequences. Permission has to be granted by a senior Indian official for the police to even begin an investigation into a crime committed by a member of the security forces, such as the BSF. This rarely happens.

The response of various government officials to allegations of a shoot-to-kill policy has been confusing: we do shoot illegal border crossers since they are lawbreakers; we don't shoot border crossers; we only shoot in self-defence; we never shoot to kill.

But there is some reason for hope. Under pressure, senior Indian officials have expressed revulsion at the behaviour of the BSF and have promised to send new orders to end the shoot-to-kill policy. They have committed to use nonviolent means to apprehend illegal border crossers or smugglers where they pose no risk to life. The question is whether this will be translated into action on the ground. Similar promises of "zero tolerance" for abuses have been made in Kashmir and elsewhere but have not been fulfilled.

As India's economy has grown and foreign investors have flocked in, its human rights record has largely flown under the radar in recent years. But India is a growing world power with increasing influence. It should understand that its behaviour will come under increasing scrutiny. Routinely shooting poor, unarmed villagers is not how the world's largest democracy should behave.
 

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Western nations do not have Jihadi countries surrounding it. And btw, if Indians do go illegally to Western nations, it is upto the Western nations to decide what to do. I would go with their rule.
Western countries have their own share of jehadis living in their countries.even then they follow proper protocol of justice and human rights even with the people like Faisal shezad types.
 

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To India and Indians life and well-being of Indians is more valuable than anything or anybody else, so I guess we will try to do everything to protect our citizens.
What india has done over the 3 decades of terror activities going in india--------sending Dossiers and releasing terrorists and sending kebabs and biryanis to terrorists in hazaratbal and giving them safe passage.
 

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I can understand your pain.......... Many are getting killed at Jammu & Kashmir Border too by BSF.

Regarding Illegal Indian Immigrants................... Whole World knows Indian are Very Intelligent/ Peace loving people, who respect the Rules & Sovereignty of the Country. Because of India only, you are enjoying your stay in USA.
 
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What kind of individuals are crossing the border ILLEGALLY?? The individual knows they are doing something illegal and the still pursue this path,when there is a history of terrorists crossing the border and slaughtering innocent people, the border security forces should be nice?? we are not crossing the border and hunting terrorists down across the border like USA is doing in Pakistan we are just securing our territory.
 

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Regarding Illegal Indian Immigrants................... Whole World knows Indian are Very Intelligent/ Peace loving people, who respect the Rules & Sovereignty of the Country. Because of India only, you are enjoying your stay in USA.
India or peace loving country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who was the Glasgow bomber then???An indian.There are examples of indian citizens being arrested in from europe to africa on terrorism charges.(check out old world terror thread threads if it still exists.i had updated a lot many such examples in that thread.).Who created LTTE/nurtured LTTE for its own interests in srilanka.
 

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India or peace loving country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who was the Glasgow bomber then???An indian.There are examples of indian citizens being arrested in from europe to africa on terrorism charges.(check out old world terror thread threads if it still exists.i had updated a lot many such examples in that thread.).Who created LTTE/nurtured LTTE for its own interests in srilanka.
Please do not get paranoid, accept the fact that USA is not gonna stop drone attacks any time soon. Earlier u accept this fact the better.


I just read this on Bdmilitary forum:

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We consider West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa, Assam, Meghalaya, Agartala, to be part of our country, these parts were taken away from us by the British and given to you (Uttar Pradeshis).

WRT Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunchal Pradesh, they were never controlled by Delhi befor the British handed these states on a plate to UP in 1947. These states have more affinity and history with the Bengalis than the UPites.

Therefore we do not consider ourself as "illegal aliens" in those parts of our own land.

Why else would Felani go to marry someone on the other side of the British created border. She was going to marry a fellow Bengali Muslim.
This fellow Bengali Muslim's family were left trapped under the control of Delhi when the British carved up the land of Sirajuddaulah.

If this attitude of fascist regime in Delhi continues it may backfire when the people of the eastern region demand liberation from Delhis brutality against all "Easterners", leading to historical ties being restored with Bangladesh.

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India or peace loving country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who was the Glasgow bomber then???An indian.There are examples of indian citizens being arrested in from europe to africa on terrorism charges.(check out old world terror thread threads if it still exists.i had updated a lot many such examples in that thread.).Who created LTTE/nurtured LTTE for its own interests in srilanka.
Even though ltte created for some interest,the genocide and discrimination is almost equal to nazis,even a peace loving person will turn towards terrorism in this situation.
 
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International boundries have been drawn ,it does not matter what the Bangladeshis consider their territory because during British rule there was no Bangladesh. Many Indians consider Tibet a part of India but the difference is Tibet was a independent country.
 

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What kind of individuals are crossing the border ILLEGALLY?? The individual knows they are doing something illegal and the still pursue this path,when there is a history of terrorists crossing the border and slaughtering innocent people, the border security forces should be nice?? we are not crossing the border and hunting terrorists down across the border like USA is doing in Pakistan we are just securing our territory.
veil of Terrorism has became easy escape route to brand everyone as terrorist.And u cant really cross into pakistan coz u ve missed ur train long back when u were in real position to do it.here question is of indo-bangla border not the indo-pak border.to india reality strikes when same shoe is on the other foot.
 
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veil of Terrorism has became easy escape route to brand everyone as terrorist.And u cant really cross into pakistan coz u ve missed ur train long back when u were in real position to do it.here question is of indo-bangla border not the indo-pak border.to india reality strikes when same shoe is on the other foot.
Genocide has occurred in Bangladesh from Pakistan not from India.
 

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veil of Terrorism has became easy escape route to brand everyone as terrorist.And u cant really cross into pakistan coz u ve missed ur train long back when u were in real position to do it.here question is of indo-bangla border not the indo-pak border.to india reality strikes when same shoe is on the other foot.
Indians learn fast. Indians know that our envious neighbors living in "Dar al-Islam" won't let us live in peace, therefore its important for us to make them "Rest in peace".
 

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India or peace loving country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who was the Glasgow bomber then???An indian.There are examples of indian citizens being arrested in from europe to africa on terrorism charges.(check out old world terror thread threads if it still exists.i had updated a lot many such examples in that thread.).Who created LTTE/nurtured LTTE for its own interests in srilanka.
Ab thoda to asar hoga hi tum jaise logon se (some influence will definitely come from people like you)............ You guys are expert (referring to only those who support extremism) of this. Have you ever tried to watch thru your window.......... the so called Azad Kashmir/ Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. In what mess it is? What type of education they are getting? Where they stand (education wise) in this Global hunt for Job?

Let me tell you, I have many colleagues from other side of Kashmir/ Gilkit/ Hunja. they are really frustrated with there lives. they even feel ashamed (sorry Pakistani brothers) to hold Pakistani Passport & hold Pakistani Identity. They dont want to go back.

so just chill........... Try to do some introspection before spitting Venom.

Chou.
 

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India or peace loving country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who was the Glasgow bomber then???An indian.There are examples of indian citizens being arrested in from europe to africa on terrorism charges.(check out old world terror thread threads if it still exists.i had updated a lot many such examples in that thread.).Who created LTTE/nurtured LTTE for its own interests in srilanka.
I agree that there have been Indians involved in terrorism cases in many parts of the world, but its still a fraction compared to Pakistanis, you and the whole world very well knows that. Every major terror threat or incident has a Pakistani angle to it somewhere or other.
 

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Please do not get paranoid, accept the fact that USA is not gonna stop drone attacks any time soon. Earlier u accept this fact the better.


I just read this on Bdmilitary forum:

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We consider West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa, Assam, Meghalaya, Agartala, to be part of our country, these parts were taken away from us by the British and given to you (Uttar Pradeshis).

WRT Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunchal Pradesh, they were never controlled by Delhi befor the British handed these states on a plate to UP in 1947. These states have more affinity and history with the Bengalis than the UPites.

Therefore we do not consider ourself as "illegal aliens" in those parts of our own land.

Why else would Felani go to marry someone on the other side of the British created border. She was going to marry a fellow Bengali Muslim.
This fellow Bengali Muslim's family were left trapped under the control of Delhi when the British carved up the land of Sirajuddaulah.

If this attitude of fascist regime in Delhi continues it may backfire when the people of the eastern region demand liberation from Delhis brutality against all "Easterners", leading to historical ties being restored with Bangladesh.

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So your window to world is different internet forums.Welcome ji.
 

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By the way if an Indian crossed into Pakistani border on the LOC even by mistake, won't the Rangers shoot them ??
 

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Shoot them??? they will shoot. then re shoot. Then chop there ears and nose and genital parts and then return back.
 

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Ab thoda to asar hoga hi tum jaise logon se (some influence will definitely come from people like you)............ You guys are expert (referring to only those who support extremism) of this. Have you ever tried to watch thru your window.......... the so called Azad Kashmir/ Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. In what mess it is? What type of education they are getting? Where they stand (education wise) in this Global hunt for Job?

Let me tell you, I have many colleagues from other side of Kashmir/ Gilkit/ Hunja. they are really frustrated with there lives. they even feel ashamed (sorry Pakistani brothers) to hold Pakistani Passport & hold Pakistani Identity. They dont want to go back.

so just chill........... Try to do some introspection before spitting Venom.

Chou.
uski bhi baat karenge. cross-post this same in "life in POK" thread.
 

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Western countries have their own share of jehadis living in their countries.even then they follow proper protocol of justice and human rights even with the people like Faisal shezad types.
yes, we did'nt opened guantanamo bay for terror suspects, dont peach BSF what to do and what not , BSF know what is good for The nation .
and you are the same guy who questioned the sovereignty of India(in many thread). anti- national, dont have any right to speak about humanity
 
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