Bruce Riedel Proposes a Solution to Siachen Glaceir

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  1. Singh

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    There is a push from western authors urging India and Pak to resolve Siachen. If you are in a hurry just read the bolded parts on the solutions offered by Riedel.

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    The conflict between India and Pakistan has produced four wars, endless terrorism and is a core cause of the political instability that wracks Pakistan and destabilizes its civil-military balance. The two countries every few years go to the brink of war because of Pakistani sponsored terror, like playing Russian roulette only with nuclear weapons. It is imperative they start to resolve their differences. The good news is their democratically elected leaders have begun to talk again. They need to move the dialogue from talk to action. The place to start is a battlefield at the top of the world, the Siachen glacier.

    Siachen is an uninhabited 1000-square-mile wasteland at the northern tip of Kashmir, where India, Pakistan and China come together. The border between India- controlled Kashmir and Jammu and Pakistani-controlled Azad Kashmir was not demarcated here at the end of the 1948 war. In April 1984, India preempted a Pakistani plan to seize the glacier by moving troops onto it first. The Indians had learned that Pakistan was buying hundreds of suits of artic-weather gear from a London store, correctly judged it was to outfit troops for Siachen and went first.

    For the next twenty years Pakistan tried to wrest control of the glacier from India. Hundreds on both sides died in the fighting or from the extreme conditions of fighting at twenty thousand feet. The financial cost of sustaining troops in the Himalayas was staggering. Pakistani commandoes, including a young General Pervez Musharraf, made heroic efforts to gain the heights; Indian soldiers just as heroically defended their gains. In 2003 a ceasefire was agreed, but the two still are face-to-face, fighting over a piece of ice.

    Last week Indian and Pakistani negotiators met to try to resolve the issue and demilitarize the glacier. Prime Ministers Manmahon Singh and Syed Yousef Raza Gilani agreed to resume the negotiations, suspended after the Mumbai terror attack in November 2008, earlier in the spring. But the talks could not resolve a key issue: how to ensure that both sides would not cheat after withdrawing their forces and rush troops back onto the glacier sometime in the future. Since both have a habit of cheating on the Kashmir front it is no idle fear.

    The answer is to put a neutral force on the glacier. The South Asia Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) should deploy a couple of hundred armed Gurkha troops from Nepal or the British army to police the ice and serve as a trip wire against cheating. India and Pakistan would pay for it and provide logistical support. The United Nations Security Council would pass a resolution endorsing the SAARC force and committing to support it if either side violated the deal. The United States would separately promise to use its national technical-intelligence capabilities and satellite imagery to further monitor the area.

    Ending the Siachen madness, a war for a frozen wasteland, makes sense on its own merits but it could also begin a process of conflict resolution that could move south to Kashmir proper. It would give the nascent Indo-Pakistani dialogue some momentum. This small start could begin a larger process. It would energize SAARC, which has never lived up to its potential as a regional organization. It might start a peace process for a subcontinent. The alternative is to wait for the next round of Russian roulette in South Asia.

    Commentary: Russian Roulette in South Asia | The National Interest
     
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  3. Iamanidiot

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    Paaji please tell him to hump himself.He is suggesting third party intervention by the British scum.
     
  4. Singh

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    The idea about a SAARC force is an unique one. Ray sir can weigh in on this.
     
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    It is Indian land and we should never allow stationing of neutral forces at any condition..
     
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    Bruce Riedel needs to go back to the drawing board with the fact that Siachen is held solely by Indian soldiers. There is not a Pakistani soul anywhere close to Siachen! What he is proposing is that India withdraw its forces, while Pakistan, which already is nowhere close to the Siachen glacier, abide by India's withdrawal. It's utter stupidity to suggest that we should withdraw simply because of Pakistani propaganda suggesting that they too are a party in Siachen.
     
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    India has made itself clear many times that it wont accept any third party mediation regarding Kashmir. even us have accepted our request.
    well any one can propose a solution at last its India and Pakistan who have to decide what to do.

    on topic : keep a neutral force on the glacier!!
    who will pay the money?
     
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    only if Falkland island is conceded to Indian peace keepers...!!
     
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    Bruce Riedel is looking for cheap publicity. He has to keep writing articles to stay relevant. Being a (ex) NATO advisor, it is no surprise his interests lie in looking for opportunities and excuses to place NATO troops wherever possible. Such attention seeking low-lives can only be treated with ridicule.
     
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    not acceptable at any condition
     
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    I propose a more acceptable solution. Give India a seat on the UNSC immediately with a veto and then India shall withdraw its forces from Siachen as long as UN troops were permanently stationed there.

    If you think about it, these troops will be surrounded on three sides by India, Pak and China, so they won't be much of a barrier in case India decides to retake Siachen in the future.
     
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    The comments following the original article in The National Interest are all in agreement that the author is wrong.

    (What the hell does the photo in the original article have to do with Siachen Glacier?)
     
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    True. That picture is intended to highlight Indo-Pak tensions.

    Bruce Riedel is best relegated to the ignore-list of pragmatic readers. The only thing he can do is hurt Indo-US ties, and he is best kept away from any important position. Treating him with cursory importance is the best way to go forward.
     
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    Siachen is an uninhabited 1000-square-mile wasteland at the northern tip of Kashmir, where India, Pakistan and China come together.

    This statement is another of the usual nonsense that one hears- wasteland.

    Strategic interest does not cater for such mushy sentiments.

    It could be questioned as to why the sudden interest to carve out the North Pole by the western powers? Is that not wasteland too and environmentally important, and in fact, more important than Siachen?

    Neutral observers and troops.

    We have seen how these so called 'neutral' people operate.

    How equitable was the UN which India obeyed and allowed a ceasefire when India was on the high to capture all the areas Pakistan has occupied with their tribal hordes and Pakistani troops after Independence?

    Freedom and Sovereignty never came cheap!
     
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  15. Tronic

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    It's an excellent example of manipulative images used for Propaganda. It portrays an aggressive India, with a Pakistan firmly standing it's ground. ;)
     
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  17. mayfair

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    How about

    - Letting the Indian and Chinese troops patrol and police the US-Mexico border to act as a tripwire against 'cheating' by either side.

    - Allow an international force comprising of soldiers from Venezuela and other Latin American countries to deploy in Florida to prevent any flareup in US-Cuba tentions that would be destabilising flashpoint for the entirel world

    - Or for that matter allow a muti-racial multi-ethnic force (under the auspicies of the United Nations) racio-ethnic conflict zones in some major US cities to provide a neutral law enforcement startegy that will assuage the concerns on either side?
     
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    India expends and inordinate amount of resources maintaining the Siachen outpost. Material expenditure is one thing, but the number of lives lost is rather alarming. It might not be a bad idea to de militarize the glacier and pull the troops back to the closest habitable plateau. India is adept at satellite technology which can be used to closely monitor the glacier along with air patrols or drones (if that becomes an option in the future). The exorbitant monetary resources used just to maintain the current outpost can be used instead to build a road link and convert conventional mountain unit to become a rapid action force by providing them better technology. As long as the Indian army can make sure that they can reach the top of the glacier in formidable numbers prior to their Pakistani adversaries there really should be no problem.

    Reidell's recommendations won't amount to much because no international peace keeping force will be willing to sacrifice their personnel to man a border in such an inhospitable area.
     
  19. trackwhack

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    Yes, the proposed solution makes perfect sense ... as long as the UK is fine with withdrawing all troops from Northern Ireland and a few Indian army regiments are posted there.
     
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    No just India, Not practical at all, flawed in many ways..
     
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    Or how about British Peacekeeping forces in Taliban infested FATA, not very far from Siachen? I think Pakis could use some help there.
     

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