Brother, you are from Pakistan and you don’t speak Arabic?

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  1. Blackwater

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    One of the biggest advantages of living abroad is the chance to hear what people think about your country. I have been living in Germany for the last three months and during this short stay, I have made friends from different regions of the world. At first, it appeared mystifying, the fact that everyone that I had met, knew something about Pakistan.

    It is no surprise that with the ongoing situation in Pakistan, where every day there is horrifying news that in the imagination of people I have come across, Pakistan comes closer to being an aberration.

    Wishfully, I often think how wonderful it would be if my foreign friends asked me about Pakistani cricket, the spicy food, the resilience of people, the sheer beauty of the country, the warm and fabulous hospitability and the amazing moral stature of Pakistanis. But what I often encounter, on the contrary, makes me realise that Pakistan, even after more than six decades of its existence, remains an enigma to world.

    Here are few questions you should expect being a Pakistani abroad. Each one reflects not only our identity dilemma but also an acute challenge of transforming the common perception of Pakistan as the most savage country into the stabilising force of the world.

    1) Brother, you are from Pakistan and you don’t speak Arabic?

    The most intriguing question that many ask is how come Pakistanis don’t speak Arabic. It is may be due to their ignorance about other countries. But part of the answer for this inheritance crisis also lies in our own yearning for Arab-ness that preoccupies all of us.

    Especially, since 1970s with Pakistan’s turn towards the Middle East, there has been an attempt to escape from Pakistan’s Indian roots and emphasise on shared a consciousness of Islamic Brotherhood. It was reinforced by the programme of Islamisation with an objective of ‘other-ising’ India, which meant removing the historic, geographic, civilizational and cultural traces of Pakistan’s South Asian identity. What this desire ‘to be a Middle Eastern’ country has done is that it has established a national narrative which is essentially not rooted in history, but rooted in fantasy.

    To date, the struggle to define ‘the Pakistani’ remains unabated. Unless, we revisit the national narrative to clearly reflect what constitutes a ‘Pakistani identity’, we as nation would remain confused and conflicted in different parts of the world.

    2) Why does Pakistan export terrorism?

    In the minds of many, Pakistan is a warrior state , a hothouse for jihadism , where Osama bin Laden was found and many other militant groups flourish. Of course, there is truth in this brash assertion. For long, we have used jihad both to gain domestic support and to fight against imagined security threats from neighbouring countries. This consistent pursuance of foreign policy within the narrow spectrum of security obsession has come to haunt us in many ways. Internally, it has made us a paranoid and xenophobic nation. Externally, it has made us a pariah state, as isolated as North Korea and Iran.

    The choice is clear- we either become a modern, progressive and developed South Korea or remain known to the world as a nuclear armed North Korea. If we prefer the former, then we need to adopt a radically different path. A path that includes: getting rid of the menace of terrorist groups that define us today, reversing our attitude towards India and redefining our geographical calculation.

    Over all these months, I have come to two overarching conclusions. Firstly, the world is not all wrong about Pakistan. Secondly, the people abroad need to go beyond the media and news channels to see the real Pakistan.

    My reaction to aforementioned questions has always been to support people when they are right and to correct and rectify them when they are wrong about Pakistan. For instance, I tell the world around me that Pakistan is not a jihadi state, how its people are moderate and have always opted for democratic self-expression, but I can’t be oblivious of the fact that there are a lot of militants who live in Pakistan and we need to do something to get rid of those.

    However, to their doubts over the fundamental question of Pakistan’s identity, my effort has always been to correct our own historical flaws and to explicate to those around me that we have much in common with India than the puritanical strain of Islam that has influenced us in defining our identity. After all, Ramadan was Ramazan and Allah Hafiz was Khuda Hafiz in Pakistan until 1980’s. Whether we like it or not, this is what our history is and we can’t escape history.

    Having said that, there are a few others to be blamed for our international image – especially Western media for barely documenting the real Pakistan. But the responsibility to revamp our own actions to influence how others perceive us is solely ours.

    Brother, you are from Pakistan and you don’t speak Arabic? – The Express Tribune Blog
     
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    @ BW, WHy are you so Obsessed about Pakistan? Are you a Pakistani Yourself?
     
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    Quite a few can read Arabic because one must read the Koran in the original.

    However, they may not understand a word.

    Express Tribune is a respected Pakistani new portal.

    One has to know about our neighbours and Blackwater keeps us abreast.
     
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::confused::confused::namaste::namaste:
     
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    What new in this......... for west Muslim means ARAB, if they say i'm Por** means TERRORIST or Suicide bomber :laugh:
     
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    I completely agree with whoever supposedly asked the author that question, however having spoken to a large number of Germans myself, never have I seen them ever refer to anyone as 'brother'. The question is why shouldn't the bakis know Arabic? Isn't it the language of their illustrious ancestors? Isn't their one true book written and intended to be understood in Arabic?

    I say that the authorities must swiftly remove urdu as the language of instruction and start using Arabic. It will make it easier to implement Sharia law and follow Arab a.k.a Muslim culture more closely, it will also help when they go to the gulf-countries for work later in life!
     
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    And every Catholic should speak Latin?
     
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    There is an emoticon for that. :)
     
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    But, you didn't comment on the links I pasted. I think those two links provide an answer to your original question.

    If Arabic is/will be a compulsory language in Primary and secondary school in Pakistan, then how difficult would be to speak that language?
     
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    Let's look at situation now.

    Arabic (religious language)

    Languages of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Same should be true for 180 million Muslims in India Isn't it? And many from India too go to Middle east for job, probably more than Pakistan.
    Even IAS ( Indian Administrative service) paper can be written in that language.

    But, no one associates India with Arabic.

    Iran being closer to middle east is not associated with Arabic language. ( So geographical factor is out)
    Indonesia/ Malaysia being Muslim countries is not expected to speak that language. Though due to religion they might know it. ( religious angle is out)

    So, rather than the reasons quoted by you from wiki, the perception created by Pakistani expats is more important. And you just have to Google to find out the love Pakistanis have for Arabic language. The Pakistani expats must have created the perception outside their country.

    There is a University in Pakistan, a Arabic university, whose Vice Chancellor is a Arab from Saudi Arabia ( He knows no other language, than Arabic) . The medium of communication is Arabic. Once he pulled up a lecturer for not using Arabic in his class. And the VC had to be convinced that he was teaching English and that can't be taught in Arabic.:cool2:

    The other day he pulled up a male staffer for talking to a female staffer.

    And you call Pakistan a non Arabic country? Your geography is messed up. Pakistan is right in the center of middle east. :pound:
     
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    Did I say that?
     
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    If Pakistan is not an non Arab country, then where do you have a problem of them introducing Arabic as their official language? :namaste:
     
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    Another Turing test fail right here :rolleyes: Go sit with thethinker on my Ignore list, and you'll find Energon there was well. I don't have time for quibblers or chatterbots.
     
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    LOL..............as if I care.

    Mr. Ignore list specialist. You earned no such respite from me. I shall be more free in replying to you as your sensitivities will be a concern for me as you won't be reading them anyways. *maroon* ( yes you used that in this forum earlier and got away with it)
     
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    You don't even know what the Turing test is :rofl:
    And who the hell can't understand satire when it's so blatant!
     
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    Basically, his modus operandi is to start flame baiting and then keep adding folks on ignore list when he realizes that he can't sustain it or when he realizes that he has picked an argument with those who reply back in his own manner.

    Join the club! :)
     
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    No. Every Catholic does not have to speak or know Latin.

    Further, there is no mandatory requirement to memorise the Bible, either in Latin or in any other language.

    Yet,, in Islam to become a Hafeez (literally meaning guardian, but it means knowing the Quaran by heart) is a great honour,

    Memorising the Koran is a wonderful religious act because

    Further

    Therefore, it is indeed an important religious duty and honour to memorise the Koran.

    The Koran (original) being written in Arabic, requires pious Muslims to know Arabic so that they can memorise it.

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    This is their Holy month of Ramazan.

    They break their fast with dates, because they are taught that whatever their Prophet did (Sunnah) is the last word for the Muslims. Hadith is the narration the Prophet approved.

    The most sought after dates is Ajwa, which is known as the Prophet's dates since it is supposed to be the type eaten by the Prophet. They are horribly expensive.

    The Muslims may have to emulate the Prophet, the Catholics don't have to or else they would go crucifying themselves just to emulate Jesus. :)

    Lot of difference between Muslim practices and the others.
     
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    Islam is nothing but a machine to install Arabic culture.

    That's why Muslims use Arabic names.

    Even a BD Muslim uses Arabic name. :wtf: :fu:

    But dont worry, Pakis still are Imam of Islam. :truestory: :laugh:
     

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