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1. The Scots want out. N Ireland wants to unite with Ireland. Wales want out. And these peoples have centuries of scores to settle with the wily wicked English. The North Sea oil is off for England. Canada, Australia, NZ and the other colonies/dominions will declare independence.
2. In the meantime all smart / affluent Brits have been relocating in N America, Australia-NZ, etc. Soon - v soon, there will be no UK but only EK (English Kingdom). And in this EK the dominant/growing community will be us S Asians. And we will retain the royal family because we simply luvvvvv royalty.
 

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Hmm. UK was never part of Schengen Pact .. so even if Turks get free visas for Germany, that is not giving them access to UK or I am missing something. That is typical of the misunderstandings that led to this disaster .
The free movement of labour has nothing to do with Schengen. It is about the right of citizens of EU states to move to and work in other EU states. Schengen only means that you do not have to show passports/ pass immigration at a border. If Turkey is admitted to the EU, then they will have the right to migrate to any EU country. Incidentally to give France her due, Hollande is against the admission of Turkey, Cameron was in favour, though he has been keeping quite on this matter recently.

I think in another post you mentioned that France would never have a "Boris Johnson" or "Rupert Murdoch". well Boris is English but fortunately Rupert is Australian/US. However you have a certain Marine Le Pen whose popularity is rising all the time. At one time Nigel Farage (another one with a French name) was regarded as an loony voice in the wilderness but he touched those who felt that their voice was not being heard.
 

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MISES WIRE
Why Brexit Is Better for Britain



On 23 June 2016, the people of Great Britain will vote whether to stay in the European Union (EU) or leave it.

The pro-EU camp argues that leaving the EU will cost Britain dearly in terms of economic prosperity, financial stability, and domestic security. In fact, people are being told that exiting the EU will bring dismal times to Britain.

The anti-EU camp argues that leaving the EU will be good, as it gives Britain freedom to determine its own fate: to decide about taxes, fishing, immigration, and other issues which are of the utmost importance for the economic and political well-being of the British people.

From insights into why an exit from the European Union will be good for Britain, we can consult the work Ludwig von Mises. Essentially, a Brexit will remove another layer of government intervention from the lives of Brits, and in his A Critique of Interventionism, originally published in 1929, Mises argues that whenever the state meddles with the free market, it reduces the standard of living that had prevailed prior to any state intervention (ceteris paribus).

The Evolution of the EU
The EU is a case par excellence illustrating the failure of interventionism. To be fair, in its early stages there was something like the European idea of creating a truly free trade area: a free cross border flow of goods, labor, and capital.

This was basically achieved in the early 1990s. It brought indeed positive effects for growth and employment in basically all European nation states. But the EU’s politics didn’t stop there. It wanted to become more powerful.

In all those years the EU has been working hard to end the system of European federalism in the sense of productively competing sovereign nation states, trying to replace it by a centralized political, economic, and financial superpower in Brussels.

However, the EU’s interventionist approach has brought about a rather dismal situation as far as economic and financial matters in many EU countries are concerned: mass unemployment, public finances in disarray, and miserable growth perspectives.

The height of the EU’s fateful megalomania was the introduction of the euro in 1999: the currencies of nation states entering the European Monetary Union were replaced by a single currency, the euro, issued by a single central bank, the European Central Bank (ECB).

Right from the start, the ECB let loose a colossal debt binge, which has left broken states, banks, and consumers. To cover up the mess, the ECB has lowered rates to below zero and keeps printing money — the only options left for preventing the euro from coming crashing down.

The ECB’s policy doesn't do any good apart from covering up the problems for a while. The truth is that it causes a shortage of savings and investment, overconsumption and malinvestments on the grandest scale, thereby destroying the very pillars on which prosperity rests.

Despite the dysfunctionality of its centralization path, however, the EU is determined to pursue its current course even more radically: Its advocates a push for “Completing Europe’s Economic and Monetary Union,” basically through “closer coordination of economic policies.”

Small States Are Better
That said, Mises’s interventionism critique may suffice to debunk the EU approach as an economic failure through and through. However, there is another argument that deserves attention in this context. It was formulated by Leopold Kohr.

In The Breakdown of Nations (1957), Kohr points out that small states are more productive and peaceful than large states, and that virtually all political and social problems could be greatly reduced by dissolving large states into a great many small states.

Viewed against Mises’s interventionism critique, and Kohr’s insight that a super-state is the root cause of all economic and political evil, there are strong reasons for Britain to exit the EU, to steer free from an ideology that will not, that cannot, turn out to be successful.

Two Reasons Why Brexit Is Better
In fact, a Brexit would be good for at least two reasons. First, it might help to put an end to a dead-end policy as more member states may decide to opt out, thereby raisingthe perspective of the EU being returned to a free-market productive competition system among regions.

Second, and more fundamental, the mere debate about Brexit highlights the fact that the state (as we know it today: namely as a territorial monopolist of coercion with ultimate decision-making power) is basically always the problem, not the solution.

Today's nation state runs counter to individual freedom. It cannot be reconciled with the idea of individual freedom. The situation becomes much worse once nation states start teaming up, trying to unify their power into a single state-structure — like the EU.

In sum, there shouldn’t be any fear of a Brexit on the part of those seeking freedom and economic prosperity. On the contrary. A Brexit may hold the key to make Europe abandon a doomed course, bringing it to its senses and back onto the road of freedom and prosperity.
 

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In any case this is good for Britain and bad for EU.

And Soros may just be right when he said, after brexit, that collapse of EU is now irreversible.
 

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Scotland and Wales aren't going anywhere, their nationalists hate the English and therefore prefer the EU. This is merely childish and crowd pleasing but isn't sensible or the basis for policy.

What is sensible is negotiating trade deals and repositioning ourselves to be a global player rather than a sub regional one. India has similar ambitions.

About time our chaps got together and had a chat don't you think?
 

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Scotland and Wales aren't going anywhere, their nationalists hate the English and therefore prefer the EU. This is merely childish and crowd pleasing but isn't sensible or the basis for policy.

What is sensible is negotiating trade deals and repositioning ourselves to be a global player rather than a sub regional one. India has similar ambitions.

About time our chaps got together and had a chat don't you think?
House needs to be cleaned first. UK is undergoing a massive influx of extremists in case you haven't noticed. People voted out of EU in a hope that maybe muslim immigrant situation will be solved.
 

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*looks outside the window *

No extremists here that I've seen...

Uncontrolled immigration from poor European countries was an issue, nothing to do with their religion.
 

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*looks outside the window *

No extremists here that I've seen...

Uncontrolled immigration from poor European countries was an issue, nothing to do with their religion.
Well then, you need to do some research.
 

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No extremists here that I've seen...

Uncontrolled immigration from poor European countries was an issue, nothing to do with their religion.

UK Jihadis

Check above thread. Read all posts, watch all videos & documentaries. You need to open your eyes before UK becomes a Sweden.
 

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I'm quite aware of what is going on in my own country thank you. :biggrin2:

We do tolerate nut cases who push freedom of speech to its limits. Its all part of being free.
 

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I'm quite aware of what is going on in my own country thank you. :biggrin2:

We do tolerate nut cases who push freedom of speech to its limits. Its all part of being free.
Like they say, follow the money trail.

Your nation has spent more money on internal security because of these so called nut cases to become a security state (read post London Bombing) than what it may have incurred alleged loses by giving jobs to East Europeans.

BTW East Europeans enters UK on visa i.e permission of your government and do take part in economic activities unlike those nutcase who are bleeding you government.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rism-triples-to-pound35bn-by-2010-396473.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/60...-Britain-Andrew-Parker-Security-David-Cameron


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...o-boost-security-spending-after-paris-attacks

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/16/news/paris-attacks-britain-hires-more-spies/index.html?iid=EL
 

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I'm quite aware of what is going on in my own country thank you. :biggrin2:

We do tolerate nut cases who push freedom of speech to its limits. Its all part of being free.
Yes and they are freely Raping British women and you are freely allowing them to.

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That's a really small money trail. The government loses more down the back of the sofa.

Is that the common view of the UK in India?
 

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UK - EU talks aren’t doing great. Might end with UK not getting any special status, unlike Norway or Switzerland
 

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UK - EU talks aren’t doing great. Might end with UK not getting any special status, unlike Norway or Switzerland
If they go forward with Brexit the UK aerospace sector will be gutted. Airbus controls 15,000 jobs directly and 7,000 through the Bombardier acquisition that are all located in UK. The tariff rate being outside the single market will not make it viable for Airbus to keep business there.
 

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