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Think I am off topic again.
Thats ridiculous.You are ridiculous, first you claim that this is fault of Russian tanks, but thermal sights and night vision devices are not made by Russians but by French and Israelis, so who's fault it is? I say definetely not Russians fault, but original manufacturers.
I can say that Polish Army also purchased some Israeli made products and we also had problems with their quality in cold wheater conditions. The only working good Israeli product were Spike ATGM's.
Somebody screwed up with tests.If something dont work for what you want you should not buy it, and its up to you to determine if it works or not.
1. These are plug and play devices, because thermal camera does not have any impact on fire control system as a system, it is just a thermal camera that shows thermal image, nothing more.These are not devices you plug in an play,,they are part of a complext targeting system for tanks that amount to about 20 percent of the cost of the tanks, so I expect they came with the system from Russia and I blame India for buying a system that does not work from Russia.
Every system can break up due to defects in original design or because of poor quality control during production. It does not depend on platform.It also makes me wonder if the thermal systems on such equipment as helicopoters is defective.
They should know. Russian bought production licence from France and placed production on Bellarus in company Peleng that was manufacturing optical devices during Soviet Times, as far as I know, nobody never said a bad word about quality of their products, and Russians never had problems with these thermal sights. Neither any other country using T-90 series tanks in hot climate like Algeria, have reported any problems with thermal sights. It seems that only Indians had problems.Did you expect the French company to know if it would work or not on Russian and Indian Tanks,
This is what I said earlier, it is not a problem with a tank and the lack of air conditioning, M1 Abrams tanks received air conditioning system in M1A2SEP v1 this means in 1999.The US has had this equipment for 30 years and no problems, look at the 91 gulf war and battle of 73 easting,,, youtube.
Exactly why the low-information voters in the last US presidential election made the choice they did.Illusions commend themselves to us because they save us pain and allow us to enjoy pleasure instead. We must therefore accept it without complaint when they sometimes collide with a bit of reality against which they are dashed to pieces. ~Sigmund Freud
You obviously don't have idea about vehicles fire control system. Thermal cameras are replaced instantly in different fire control systems. Polish Drawa-1T FCS use Israeli thermal cameras, and that FCS was never designed to use specifically israeli thermal camera.Think about this then,,, what good are they,,,,you could use the thermal camera to see that there is an enemy out there but you cant shoot it becaue its not part of the targeting control system. Does that make sense to you.
Then read some goddamn book, or even a proffesional article.I dont think Russian tanks had thermal sights. If I am not mistaken they used night vision equipment. If you can fight something about about Russian tanks and thermal sights I would like to see it.
Then the French equipment did not work in hot weather, and then from there.Then why did 80 percent of Indians tanks end up blind if the Russians had thermal equipment that was any good.
After the failure of own Agava-2 Thermal imagers russians realized that it woulf be cheaper to use already proven and mass-produced french equipment. In return France bought Krasnopol-M laser-guided 155mm artillery rounds and also offers a VEB armored car with Kornet-launchers.
Catherine wasn't tropicalized before delivery. All problems on T-90s were fixed on Indian tanks before the Algerians got them. Same with Su-30MKI.Neither any other country using T-90 series tanks in hot climate like Algeria, have reported any problems with thermal sights. It seems that only Indians had problems.
This is your failure in comprehending.Then why did 80 percent of Indians tanks end up blind if the Russians had thermal equipment that was any good.
Let me make it very simple for you.Can you show any proof of that what Russia sold Iraq clearly didnt work ,, nor the one they sold Syria. Sams did some damage 50 years ago,, but countrer measures are lot more sopisticated now days.
How is this a proof of Russian technology?
How is this a proof of Russian technology?
The best America and Israel has to offer against the worst Russia has to offer?
Least I can provide sources, you have only opinons, everyone has those.This is your failure in comprehending.
Indian tanks did not become blind, they were always blind. We had the old T-72s which were contracted for in the 70s. They are in the process of being upgraded with thermals today. They did not have any thermal cameras in the beginning. We were a poor country in the previous century, so we couldn't afford these systems. Pakistan was no better, inferior as a matter of fact, with their old Chinese, British and American tanks, so it wasn't such a big deal for us.
The other 20% include the new T-90s which came with thermals and the army has no issues with it.
Let me make it very simple for you.
Has the US ever attacked the Soviet Union or Russia?
Never.
So what is your proof for all the half-assed links that you have been posting?
How is this a proof of Russian technology?
The best America and Israel has to offer against the worst Russia has to offer?
Source is not some random internet site.Least I can provide sources, you have only opinons, everyone has those.
There is a difference however. The effectiveness of systems depends on their own quality, crew quality and commanding element quality. Syrians have very old AA system, low quality of crews and commanding element.Well Syrian air defense is solely Russia sourced. If Israel can sneak in and out then (remember how they bombed the Syrian nuclear reactor site) then it don't inspire much confidence on Russian air defense systems guarding Syrian air space.
Source is not some random internet site.
There is a difference however. The effectiveness of systems depends on their own quality, crew quality and commanding element quality. Syrians have very old AA system, low quality of crews and commanding element.
The Syrian air defense has a little over 900 launchers of anti-aircraft missiles, of which the vast majority are C-75 and C-125 units. The Syrian sky is protected by 48-200M launchers with a range of up to 200 kilometers. During deployment they are protected by 60 launchers SAM "Wasp" grouped into 14 batteries. The defense also has 60 plants SAM "Wasp" and about 4 thousand pieces of artillery. The country has a North and South defense zones controlled from three command centers fully equipped with computers, and the armed forces have 60 thousand people, Military News reported. This arsenal is twice as powerful as Gaddafi's.
The only disadvantage of a powerful air defense of Assad's complex, according to military analysts, is poorly trained personnel working with sophisticated technology. Russia is providing help in this area as well. The Guardian on December 23 published an article entitled "Russian military presence in Syria poses challenge to US-led intervention."
According to confidential sources of the newspaper, Russian military advisers arrived in Syria, and will advise the Syrian troops on installation and implementation of new missiles "ground-to-air."
The Syrian Air Defense Force is an independent command within the Syrian Armed Forces. It has been merged into and then separated from both the Syrian Arab Army and the Syrian Arab Air Force. The Syrian Air Defense Force controls twenty-five air defense brigades, each with six SAM batteries. It is equipped with 650 static SA-2, SA-3 and SA-5 launchers, 200 mobile SA-6 and SA-11 launchers and over 4,000 anti-aircraft guns ranging from 23mm to 100mm in caliber. There are also two independent SA-8 and SA-10 SAM Regiments, each with four batteries of 48 mobile SAMs.
In 1982,19 batteries of 20 tank batteries—each battery consisting of five tanks and each tank equipped with three SAM-6 missiles—were wiped out in a single Israeli airstrike. Despite decades of technological innovations in the Israeli and Western militaries, Syria still relies heavily on Soviet-era relics to defend itself. This is especially true in the north of the country. The government chose to concentrate its newer hardware in the west and south of Syria to guard against Israel, not that that has worked particularly well either: Israeli jets have penetrated Syrian airspace three times in the last few decades without incurring any damage to their planes. The 2007 sortie destroyed a nuclear reactor in Deir Ezzour.[3]
It seems like every body has that problem if they use soviet or Russian equipment.Source is not some random internet site.
There is a difference however. The effectiveness of systems depends on their own quality, crew quality and commanding element quality. Syrians have very old AA system, low quality of crews and commanding element.
They are lack of Knowledge and Experience to Operating these HardwaresIt seems like every body has that problem if they use soviet or Russian equipment.
Like how the American and European air defense systems helped the Pakistanis in the OBL raid?Well Syrian air defense is solely Russia sourced. If Israel can sneak in and out then (remember how they bombed the Syrian nuclear reactor site) then it don't inspire much confidence on Russian air defense systems guarding Syrian air space.
You sources are like chain mails. Laugh and discard.Least I can provide sources, you have only opinons, everyone has those.
Only in your mind.It seems like every body has that problem if they use soviet or Russian equipment.
Of course Americans can exploit their own air defense systems. No surprise there... :shocked:Like how the American and European air defense systems helped the Pakistanis in the OBL raid?
They may be scared of it but that does not mean they can't defeat it. Let the Israeli record on Syrian incursions speak for this...Israel is sh!t scared of the S-300. They fought tooth and nail to avoid Russia selling it to Iran.
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