Brazil rejects israeli appointed ambassador

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    Brazil rejects Dani Dayan as ambassador, official says
    Brasilia angry at choice of settler leader, and at Israel for announcing appointment without informing its Foreign Ministry

    Brazil will not accept settler leader Dani Dayan as Israel’s next ambassador, a senior official in Brasilia said.

    Following diplomatic protocol, Brazil will simply not respond to Israel’s months-old request to confirm Dayan’s nomination, waiting until Jerusalem gets the hint and proposes a different envoy to its capital, the official said this week. Dayan was named as envoy in August, and endorsed by the Israeli cabinet in September, but Brazil has maintained a frosty silence on the appointment rather than issuing the customary confirmation.

    The South American country is rejecting Dayan not only because of his senior positions in the Yesha Council, a committee representing Israeli settlements in the West Bank, but also due to the unorthodox way in which his appointment was announced, said the official, who asked to remain anonymous because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the issue.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced his nomination of Dayan as Israel’s new ambassador to Brazil on August 5, only one year after the current envoy, Reda Mansour, took up his post in Brasilia.

    According to diplomatic sources in Jerusalem, Mansour’s wife did not want to move to Brasilia, and he therefore decided to inform Jerusalem that he wanted to quit. As soon as Netanyahu — who is also foreign minister — heard that Mansour was planning to vacate the post in December, he publicly nominated Dayan, without first informing the Brazilian Foreign Ministry of what had transpired.

    What next?

    Officials in the Israeli Foreign Ministry have refused to comment on the matter on the record. But in private conversations, they describe different scenarios of what might now transpire. Some diplomats say that if Brazil does not formally accept Dayan by the end of the month, Jerusalem will get the hint. Others say they are confident that the Argentinean-born Dayan will yet get the nod and move into the ambassador’s residence in Brasilia.

    One top official told The Times of Israel that a very high-placed Brazilian official a few months ago signaled to Jerusalem that Dayan’s appointment would go through. He was likely referring to a conversation Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon reportedly conducted with his Brazilian counterpart, Jaques Wagner, in late September, in which Ya’alon tried to convince the government to confirm Dayan’s appointment.

    Immediately after Netanyahu announced Dayan’s appointment in August, some left-leaning Brazilians and Israelis — including a group of former senior diplomats — started lobbying the government in Brasilia against accepting Dayan. They argued that were Brazil to accept Dayan, this could be understood or presented as tacit approval for Israel’s settlement enterprise. Brazil’s President Dilma Rousseff reportedly informed Jerusalem that she disapproved of Dayan’s appointment.

    Wagner, who is Jewish, is said to have told Ya’alon that “Dayan’s appointment process should continue,” the Israeli daily Haaretz reported in late September. Since then, Wagner has been promoted to the chief of staff of the Presidency, one of Brazil’s most senior positions.

    However, if Wagner really supported Dayan’s appointment, sources in Brazil said, the ministry would have long since confirmed it.

    The Israeli cabinet approved Dayan’s appointment on September 6, paving the way for the Foreign Ministry to request what is called in diplomatic parlance an agrément — a host country’s confirmation of another state’s envoy to its capital.

    An agrément is usually given within two to three weeks. When an agrément is not received after two months, a government is meant to understand that its choice of ambassador was not approved by the host country.

    Governments rarely give negative replies to other countries’ requests to accredit an appointed ambassador. Rather, they simply do not respond to the request for an agrément, thus signaling that they disapprove and hope the host country will withdraw the nomination.

    In Dayan’s case, no agrément has been forthcoming.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/brazilian-official-says-dani-dayan-rejected-as-ambassador/
     
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    Stymied envoy to Brazil urges government to fight back
    Former settler leader Dani Dayan says Brasilia’s opposition to his appointment risks a precedent where settlers are deemed unsuitable for overseas service

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    Israel must respond strongly to Brazil’s refusal to accept him as the new ambassador, former settler leader Dani Dayan said Saturday night, expressing concern that the move could see the start of a new phenomenon in which Israelis living in the settlements are classed as unsuitable for foreign postings.

    Dayan was named as envoy to Brasilia in August, and endorsed by the Israeli cabinet in September, but Brazil has maintained a frosty silence on the appointment rather than issuing the customary confirmation.

    “The lesser question is whether I am ambassador to Brazil or not,” Dayan told Channel 2’s “Meet the Press” on Saturday evening. “The question we need to pose now is whether the next settler deemed suitable to be an ambassador can fill a diplomatic posting – or do we agree that 700,000 Israelis are unable to fill these roles?”

    A senior official in Brasilia said last week that Brazil will not accept the former head of the Yesha Council of Settlements as Israel’s next ambassador. Following diplomatic protocol, the official said, Brazil will simply not respond to Israel’s months-old request to confirm Dayan’s nomination, waiting until Jerusalem gets the hint and proposes a different envoy to its capital.

    “What is happening in Brazil, in this case, is labeling people,” Dayan said, referring to the European Union decision to label Israeli goods made in the West Bank and Golan Heights. “I suddenly realized that principle is the issue, which requires a decision on the matter. I also realized that there are those who think a policy of inaction is the best answer. But they are wrong, and the issue is far more fundamental than the question of whether I become the ambassador to Brazil or not.”

    Dayan said that the state should take an equally firm stance against those who oppose his appointment as was taken against the EU decision.

    Netanyahu last month suspended discussion of the conflict with the Palestinians with EU officials, in response to the bloc’s decision to label goods imported from Jewish settlements.

    The prime minister “ordered suspension of diplomatic contacts with the institutions of the European Union and its representatives on this issue,” the Foreign Ministry said in a Hebrew-language statement. The suspension of ties on peace talks will remain in place “until the reassessment is completed,” it said.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/dayan-are-settlers-now-unsuitable-for-diplomatic-service/
     
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    What type of answer this zionist pigs are preparing against my country? Will it be, by chance, a terrorist attack during the Olympics Games in Rio?

    All this diplomatic crisis turns around the interests of israeli security companies in Brazilian market. We shouldn't become so dependent of israeli drones. now the sectors linked to them are pressing brazilian gov to accept Dani Dayan with afraid of annoy their suppliers.
     
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    Also coming across the news I feel Israel shall not be imposing to make things difficult and shall be able to put forward a not controversial candidate.

    ~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~
     
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    Somebody in the Foreign Office got insulted by the Israelis. Time for Brazil to act maturely and talk to Israel and sort this issue.
     
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    Israel warns Brazil faces diplomatic downgrade unless it accepts settler as ambassador
    Israel warns ties may suffer if Brasilia does not accept nominee Dani Dayan, a former head of the Jewish settlement movement

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    Brazil’s reluctance to accept an Israeli ambassador who is a West Bank settler has led to a standoff with Israel now warning it could downgrade diplomatic relations.

    The appointment four months ago of Dani Dayan, a former head of the Jewish settlement movement, did not go down well with Brazil’s left-leaning government, which has supported Palestinian statehood in recent years.

    Most world powers deem the Jewish settlements illegal.

    Israel’s previous ambassador, Reda Mansour, left Brasilia last week and the Israeli government said on Sunday Brazil risked degrading bilateral relations if Dayan were not allowed to succeed him.

    “The State of Israel will leave the level of diplomatic relations with Brazil at the secondary level if the appointment of Dani Dayan is not confirmed,” Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely told Israel’s Channel 10 TV, saying Dayan would remain the sole nominee.

    She said Israel would lobby Brasilia through the Brazilian Jewish community, confidants of President Dilma Rousseff and direct appeals from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Brazilian government officials declined to comment on whether Rousseff will accept the nomination of the Argentine-born Dayan. But one senior Foreign Ministry official told Reuters: “I do not see that happening.”

    The official, who asked not to be named because he was not authorised to speak on the matter, said Israel would have to choose a different envoy because the choice of Dayan has further worsened relations that turned sour in 2010 when Brazil decided to recognise Palestinian statehood in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, which Israel captured in a 1967 war and settled.

    Israel quit Gaza in 2005 but claims East Jerusalem as its indivisible capital and wants to keep swathes of West Bank settlements under any eventual peace deal with the Palestinians.

    Rousseff’s predecessor, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, angered Israel by drawing Brazil closer to Iran.

    Tensions rose last year when an Israeli foreign ministry spokesman called Brazil a “diplomatic dwarf” after Brasilia recalled its ambassador from Israel to protest a military offensive in Gaza.

    Brazil’s government was also angered by the announcement of Dayan’s appointment by Netanyahu in a Twitter message on 5 August before Brasilia had been informed, let alone agreed to the new envoy as is the diplomatic norm.

    Over the weekend, Dayan went on the offensive to defend his nomination, telling Israeli media that Netanyahu’s government was not doing enough to press Brazil to accept him. Dayan said not doing so could create a precedent barring settlers from representing Israel abroad.

    Emmanuel Nahshon, spokesman for Israel’s Foreign Ministry, said ties with Brazil were “good and important”, noting Israel’s recent opening of a new consulate in Brazil and the business opportunities for Israeli security firms during the Olympic Games to be held in Rio de Janeiro in August.

    Israel has a considerable role in providing avionics technology for Brazil’s aerospace and defense industry.

    Celso Amorim, a former Brazilian foreign and defence minister, said on Friday that the diplomatic dispute over Dayan’s appointment showed that “it is time the Brazilian armed forces reduced their dependence on Israel.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...grade-unless-it-accepts-settler-as-ambassador
     
  8. Sameet2

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    So I see a Brazilian *******supporting muslims of gazas . Lick your arab masters ass royally ******** !
     
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    Arab masters?? huahauhaua :laugh:
    Brazil has voted in favor of Israel's creation in 1948.

    Our diplomacy is compromised to certain principles in international relations such as sovereignty, non-interference, respect to human rights, things that Israel dont does.

    Name a Zionist settler is an offence to our adopted principles. India would also feel offended if Pak names a PoK takfiri as ambassador to her.
     
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    If Brazil feels that settlers are illegitimate, then it has the right to reject a settler as an ambassador. Many settlers are occupying lands that are not part of Israel as delineated by the 1948 UN resolution.

    Israel needs to stop acting like a child and propose a suitable candidate.
     
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    Listen first my words when pakistan was made out of india whole arab and muslim world supported it but when israel was made they went war against it . today the people are more better in israel then in even jordan . Hindus and christains even shias are suffering in illigitemate state of pakistan .

    And whats brazillian in you btw ? You will be living a european livestyle with kremlin communist mindset !
     
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    I think you should shut up and stop using your brains much . muslim people dont deserve any courtesy and sympathy in fact Gaza should be freed from muslim occupation and even in west bank . This people should be thrown in oceans .
     
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    I think you should use your brains for things more productive than being a jerk, or else, you will be quietly ejected from this discussion.

    If you offer no courtesy, then you deserve no courtesy.
     
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    @Sameet2 You are hereby warned against against use of inappropriate language. Let us remain civil.
     
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    Do not abuse a moderator. This is a cardinal sin.

    Such pearls of wisdom dropping from your side, I am sure your stay here is going to be a short one.

    I am not editing your post, let others read and judge you themselves.
     
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    I do not know if there is a precedent for such a case.

    As I have mentioned earlier this should be discussed between the two countries and sorted out.
     
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    you should discount the billions subsidies that Israel receives in aid from its Western allies and Arabs countries do not.

    you know nothing of me, my origins, my life standard or my thinkings to can say anything about me.

    To accept or not an ambassador of any country is a matter of sovereignty. In last case it is the state that will receive the ambassador who decide if will be him or not the deputy of the country that send him. This is international diplomatics conventions, and Brazil is acting inside its full rights. The fact there are other cases, as said by pmaitra, just proves that this is the norm.
     
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    @IBSA Yes it's legally well within a state's rights to debar ambassadors they don't approve of.

    I'd like to ask you though, is the populist sentiment in Brazil adversarial to Israel?
     
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    Brazilians feelings about Israel are divided. In one hand we are the biggest Catholic country, and the Church has a historical antisemitic custom. Furthermore we have a huge Arab descendents population, larger than that of Jews. This factors can contribute to a negative view of Israel. In other hand, Jews were present ever in Brazilian history. We have here the first synagogue of America's continent. Brazil voted in favor of Israel's creation in 1948 at UN. And more recently, Protestants are a growing religious group, and they are inclined toward Israel. They just built a copy of Salomon Temple for them, and claims it as biggest Brazilian temple, surpassing the National Basilica of the Catholic Church. So not all Brazilians are against Israel. Many likes it too.

    Our diplomacy isn't ideological. We are pragmatics, but with principles. We defend nation's right of sovereignty, right of non interference, right of self determination, etc. Israel dont respect the national rights of Palestinians, then we think a provocation gesture Israel to appoint a zionist settler for here.
     
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