Brazil plans to go offline from US-centric internet

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Yeah, democratic govts like INDIA has also given us the freedom of the INTERNET. We have facebook, twitter and all other access to a host of other sites. And what do you have....Tapatalk, Sina Webo???? Rip offs of facebook and twitter. Your govt does not trust you to use the internet safely. The hell, your govt doesn't not even allow you to piss without surveillance.
Your govt allow you to access these website doesn't mean they are not watching what you are doing! If you call that as freedom, I rest my case!

With 700m internet users and almost millions of them are cursing this govt everyday online, it is really laughable to talk about whether this govt trust me or not!

There is some peoble believe: the real reason behind this block is to protect the domestic internet companies! You may not believe it, but to me who already broke the great wall to see the foreign porn web site 16 years ago, it does have some points.

If you want to check the chinese domestic web sites concentrate on anti-cpc , I can provide some examples:

猫眼看人 凯迪社区 - 全球华人最具影响力的言论及媒体平台
天涯杂谈_天涯论坛

Of course, they are all in Chinese!
 

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Your govt allow you to access these website doesn't mean they are not watching what you are doing! If you call that as freedom, I rest my case!

With 700m internet users and almost millions of them are cursing this govt everyday online, it is really laughable to talk about whether this govt trust me or not!

There is some peoble believe: the real reason behind this block is to protect the domestic internet companies! You may not believe it, but to me who already broke the great wall to see the foreign porn web site 16 years ago, it does have some points.

If you want to check the chinese domestic web sites concentrate on anti-cpc , I can provide some examples:

猫眼看人 凯迪社区 - 全球华人最具影响力的言论及媒体平台
天涯杂谈_天涯论坛

Of course, they are all in Chinese!
Who said my govt does not watch me????

My govt does not jail me if I post something against it and that post gets 500 likes/shares on facebook.

You have conveniently overlooked my previous post.

Do you have a evidence for the bold part or is just your hallucination ???

Of course, you have to scale great walls if you want great porn !!! :pound: :rofl:

And what about the websites you quoted?? I saw their translation in english, but I did not find them concentrated on Anti-CPC rants?? If they are really anti-cpc, I guess you should inform your nearest police so they will arrest all who posted in it :toilet:
 

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Brazil's anti-spying Internet push could backfire, industry says

(Reuters) - For tech companies in Brazil, the government's decision to target their operations in response to U.S. spying is about as smart as sending an angry email in the heat of an argument.

Brazil's anti-spying Internet push could backfire, industry says | Reuters

President Dilma Rousseff's plan to force Internet companies to store user data inside the country will not fix Brazil's security concerns and could instead send costs soaring and hurt future investments in a key emerging market for companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter, industry executives and analysts say.

"It could end up having the opposite effect to what is intended, and scare away companies that want to do business in Brazil," said Ronaldo Lemos, a professor at Rio de Janeiro State University who has helped draft Internet legislation in Brazil.

Rousseff was outraged after documents leaked by former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden showed the National Security Agency spied on ordinary Brazilians, the country's biggest company Petrobras and even her own communications.

In response, the left-leaning president helped put together legislation that would require big Internet companies to house locally gathered data on servers inside Brazil. Otherwise, they will be barred from doing business in one of the world's fastest growing markets for technology and social media.

The bill has not yet been made public, and the number of companies in the government's sight is unclear.

However, Alessandro Molon, a congressman with Rousseff's Workers Party who is leading efforts to get the legislation approved in the lower house, recently said the number of companies affected could be counted "with two hands."

In what was interpreted by the industry as another sign of hostility, communications minister Paulo Bernando recently suggested tech companies were not paying enough taxes.

An industry source, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject, said many companies are still waiting to see the fine print of the legislation, and how it is implemented, before deciding whether to go ahead with investment plans, and some might even consider pulling the plug on Brazil.

"It's a terrible idea," said the source. "And even if the government knows it, they feel they need to press ahead and send a strong political signal."

Even if data were to be kept in Brazilian data centres, it would still be replicated in servers abroad, experts say. Having entire databases in one single country would make the information more vulnerable to cyber attacks.

MARKET SIZE MATTERS

But the government has so far refused to back off its plans, essentially betting that Brazil is too big a market for companies to ignore.

"I don't believe these companies will stop their profitable activities in Brazil," said congressman Molon. He said building local centres would be a "small cost" for such large companies.

Virgilio Almeida, a senior official at the ministry of science and technology, which is also involved in the issue, cited Facebook as a company that should be required to have a greater physical presence in Brazil.

"Brazil is (Facebook's) second biggest market in terms of users and yet the company has zero infrastructure in the country. It would be natural, even from the business point of view, to have part of it here," Almeida said.

A study commissioned by the telecommunications industry group Brasscom recently found that the operating costs of a data center in Brazil can be up to 100 percent higher than in the United States. That is mostly due to the high cost of electricity and heavy taxes on imported technology.

Installing a data center in Brazil would typically cost $61 million dollars compared to $51 million in Chile and $43 million in the United States, the study showed. Brasscom estimates if Brazil were more competitive it could attract up to $22 billion in investments in data centers in the next five years.

"You first have to create the right market conditions for data hosting to be profitable," says Marilia Maciel, a digital policy expert with the think tank Fundacao Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro. "Even Brazilian companies prefer to host their data outside of Brazil."

And that's why Almeida says the technology ministry is considering tax incentives for companies willing to manufacture servers in Brazil. Electricity subsidies, he said, could eventually be discussed with the finance ministry.

The idea of requiring local data hosting gained traction after Justice Minister Eduardo Cardozo tried to persuade U.S. authorities to run all further surveillance requests through Brazilian courts. He said his request was rejected during a recent trip to Washington.

Almeida suggested that the damage might not be as bad as some companies think.

"It is a view still under construction," he said. "I think the industry is taking this debate about the data centers in a very extreme way."

FORTALEZA-VLADIVOSTOK

The fallout from the NSA scandal could give a boost to other government Internet initiatives as well.

One project would link Brazil and its peers in the BRICs group of emerging powers through a 34,000 km fiber-optic cable bypassing the United States. The cable would go from Fortaleza along Brazil's northeastern coast all the way to Vladivostok in Russia, also hooking up South Africa, India and China.

The Internet is heavily centralized in the United States, meaning for instance that an email sent by Rousseff to her Russian colleague Vladimir Putin will be likely routed through a server in Miami.

"This is a fine opportunity to look at better connectivity options," said Leslie Daigle, Chief Internet Technology Officer at the Internet Society, a U.S.-based group advocating for an open Internet. "Where I think things go a little sidewise is the extent to which things are being decided out of reaction."

Experts say awareness is more critical than mammoth fiber optic cables or home-grown email or encryption services in a country where officials in charge of crafting the Internet policy sometimes have a poor understanding of the subject and often exchange confidential information through gmail or whatsapp, an instant messaging service for smartphones.

"By introducing more technology you are actually introducing more problems instead of addressing the issues," said William Beer, a cyber security analyst with the professional services firm of Alvarez & Marsal in Sao Paulo.

Rousseff has made the new Internet regulatory framework a top priority, meaning the lower chamber of Congress could vote on it as soon as the end of October. As for the data localization rule, congressman Molon sounds determined.

"Things cannot remain as they were," he said. "We need a political answer against a political act that violated our sovereignty."
 

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India believes in complete freedom of cyber space: Kapil Sibal

New Delhi: Minister for communications and information technology Kapil Sibal said on Monday that if a cyber crime had an impact on India or the subject matter was Indian, India should have the jurisdiction to investigate the crime and mete out justice.

India "believes in complete freedom of cyber space", Sibal said, adding that the international community should arrive at a consensus on rules of jurisdiction and enforceability where cyber crimes are concerned. He was speaking at a conference on cyber security and cyber governance in New Delhi.

"Freedom of expression is central to our ideological stand on cyber space but at the same time there must be a de facto recognition of threats that are out there in cyber space and that we need to deal with those threats locally, nationally and globally and what we need is a consensus on those," the minister said.

He was asked specifically about the need for changes in the global Internet governance structure following a US admission that its National Security Agency listened in on communications from the embassies of allies such as France, Italy and Greece, as well as Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India and Turkey.

The site of the impact of a cyber crime should determine jurisdiction, the minister said.

He gave an example: if anything happens in an Indian mission located in New York, it should be governed by Indian law because the mission would be considered Indian territory.

"So as long as the source of the data is Indian and the impact is on India then the jurisdiction must be Indian and that should apply across the world," he said.
"If the harm has been caused to Indian citizens or Indian property then jurisdiction should be Indian," said Sunil Abraham, executive director at Centre for Internet and Society. "This principle has already been developed by Justice Murlidhar in Banyan Tree case. So this principle already has legal precedent."

But Abraham added that "even if Indian courts believe that it is their jurisdiction, foreign law enforcement agencies may not co-operate. This may be one of the biggest challenges in implementing this principle".

"This move could be seen as one enhancing cyber security, but since there is no universally accepted definition to cyber security and some government include speech regulation, surveillance, cyber crime and hacktivism a part of cyber security—there can be damaging consequences for human rights online," Abraham said.
The minister's statement assumes significance against the backdrop of a number of countries including India protesting the spying by the US National Security Agency (NSA) on their missions in Washington and New York.

According to many news reports, India was among the top five countries whose missions in the US were targeted by the NSA as part of a clandestine effort to mine electronic data. Reports of the US snooping has caused unease world wide.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel raised the issue with US President Barack Obama in June while Brazil's President Dilma Rouseff reportedly cancelled a summit with the US President in protest last month.

According to the ministry of external affairs in New Delhi, India raised the issue with the US embassy in New Delhi besides taking up the issue with the US state department in Washington. Both sides agreed to discuss the subject during their cyber security dialogue.

"That's the law in the country...if anything happens there (in Indian embassies) that is part of Indian jurisdiction and similarly if you apply the same example and establish jurisdiction then anything that relates to Indian data and the impact on Indian data, it's the courts in India that should have jurisdiction," Sibal added later.

"We are talking about a principle and the principle is wherever there is Indian data wherever anything is done to impact on Indian data, the source of which is Indian then the jurisdiction must be of Indian courts," the minister said adding that he was putting this view out as something the cyber security seminar should discuss.
India's national security adviser Shiv Shankar Menon added that what the minister had voiced was India's view but it was not a settled matter and that it had to be discussed at global forums.

With around 40% of the 120 million smartphone users in India accessing the Internet through mobile phones, network protection was an imperative. "The consequences of manipulation or distortion...can be potentially disastrous." Menon said recalling how morphed pictures of violence seemingly targeting a particular ethnic group, circulated on the Internet and via cell phones, had resulted in thousands of people fleeing home from their places of work last year.

On certification of hardware security, Menon said: "India has recently received authorizing nation status for IT products and testing labs in the country will now gain global recognition," adding that this was an opportunity for Indian industry.


Sibal, in his address, said the Internet had become a means of empowerment of people and most of this was due to the enormous freedom provided by the Internet. But "there can be no concept of sovereignty in cyber space because there are no territorial issues involved", he said.

India believes in complete freedom of cyber space: Kapil Sibal - Livemint
 

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