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http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_offensive_in_bid_to_sell_F-18_jets_to_Brazil_999.html

US offensive in bid to sell F-18 jets to Brazil

The arrival of a giant US aircraft carrier here Friday with F/A-18 jet fighters aboard is a step in Washington's offensive to win a multi-billion-dollar contract to supply Brazil's air force with modern jet fighters.

US Rear Admiral Ted Branch told reporters that the visit of the USS Carl Vinson is aimed at improving ties with the Brazilian navy following mercy operations in quake-stricken Haiti, and work with Brazilian personnel from the UN peacekeeping force in that country.

However, the presence of the nuclear powered craft and the Super Hornet fighters on its deck, along with Boeing representatives on land, are a clear sign of a US push to convince Brazil to buy the US-made planes.

Brazil's air force is seeking to buy 36 new jet fighters, and will choose between three finalists: France's Rafale, a fighter made by Dassault; the Gripen NG jet from Sweden's Saab; and the F/A-18 Super Hornet from US group Boeing.

The F/A-18 Super Hornet is seen as only having an outside chance against the French and Swedish planes because of past US refusal to allow Brazil to export aircraft using US technology.

Branch refused to compare the three fighters, but he did tell reporters that the F/A-18 was a "multi-role, combat proven, mainline combat fighter" that was a "very capable platform."

At port and standing a mere 500 meters (yards) from the gigantic Carl Vinson was Boeing representative Michael Coggins, who told reporters that next week's visit by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will show that "a partnership with the US makes a lot of sense for Brazil."

Coggins praised the Super Hornet as being "far better than its competitors" and "the best jet in competition," and would allow Brazil access to Boeing's supply chain.

Coggins also said that the price was a good deal -- at 1.1 billion dollars less than the competition he said it was "the best price, long term."

The Boeing representative also ripped what he said was the "horrible" maintenance records of previous French aircraft sold to Brazil.

Brazilian Air Force General Juniti Saito said Tuesday that Brazil will likely designate the winner by the end of March, but did not set a date.

Saito stressed it would be a "political and strategic decision" made by President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, following the air force's technical evaluation of the three bids.

Analysts believe France's Rafale is the leading contender after Lula and French President Nicolas Sarkozy said in September that negotiations were underway for Brazil to buy 36 of them.

Lula said his preference for the French jet derived from France's offer to give Brazil all the technology involved in the Rafale's construction -- a key point for Brazil, which wants the know-how to one day make its own modern fighters.

But the air force, through leaks in the Brazilian media, has indicated it prefers Sweden's much cheaper Gripen NG jet.

Early this month, the Brazilian government denied it had made a final decision to buy the Rafales.
 

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Brazil to unviel fighter jet preference April 5th

BRASILIA -(Dow Jones)- Brazil's defense ministry will issue an official report during the week of April 5 detailing its preferences in the procurement of 36 jet fighters to renew the country's Air Force fleet, Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said Thursday according to the Estado news agency.

Speaking in an interview during a trip to India, Jobim said the government wasn't yet prepared to release information on its preferences in the estimated $ 6 billion procurement.

In testimony before Brazil's congress on March 2, Jobim had said the report would be ready within 20 days.

Brazil's government last year named France's Dassault Aviation Rafale (AM.FR) fighters, Boeing (BA) Co's F-18s, and Swedish Saab's (SAAB-B.SK) Gripen jets as finalists in the bidding process.

The government has expressed an unofficial preference for the Dassault jets, citing French pledges of technology transfers.
 

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Dassault: Sarkozy helps Rafale export prospects

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French President Nicolas Sarkozy is helping the export prospects for the Rafale fighter jet, the head of plane maker Dassault said Wednesday.
CEO Charles Edelstenne declined to comment on talks with Brazil or any other potential clients. But he said that thanks to support from Sarkozy, Dassault has “an important number” of export prospects — compared to none in 2007.
“The sale of combat planes is a political act,” he said at Dassault’s headquarters outside Paris. “The Elysee is doing a superb job,” he said, referring to the French Elysee presidential palace.
Dassault has taken orders for 180 Rafales, all of them destined for the French armed forces. It has yet to get a single export order, and much anticipated sales to Brazil and Libya have failed to materialize.
Brazil’s President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said earlier this month that his government has yet to decide which fighter jets his nation will buy.
The Rafale is competing for the estimated $4.4 billion order for 36 jets along with Sweden’s Gripen NG from Saab AB and U.S.-based Boeing Co.’s F-18 Super Hornet.




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French have an advantage in the sale of fighter jets to Brazil, says Jobim

Laryssa Borges
March 18, 2010 • 12:57


Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said Thursday that the French Rafale fighter, made by Dassault, has an advantage in the buying process to be done by the Brazilian government in project FX-2. The final report with the explanatory memorandum to the preference of purchase of the aircraft will be delivered to President Lula in 20 days.

"The Brazilian Air Force said the three are satisfactory, which again is the transfer of technology and reduction of dependence," he said. "In this sense, yes (the French have an advantage)," Jobim said after attending the election meeting in the House of Representatives. "In 20 days the president sent the explanatory memorandum to the final position of the Ministry of Defense," he said.

The process of sale of 36 new fighter jets to Brazil, although companies to avoid talking about values, must mobilize an amount of about 4 billion euros. Brazil, that on September 7 announced its decision to strengthen political negotiations with the French Rafale, has also been pressured by the Swedish Saab, who came to offer two Gripen fighters to the price of one. The director of the company in Brazil, Bengt Janer, registers as a difference from the other competitors the "great asset for effective transfer of technology."

The cost of the project FX-2, if the Brazilian government choose the Rafale aircraft model, are pointed out as a negative factor to the French selection. Admiral Edouard Guillaud, military chief of staff of government Nicolas Sarkozy, has already acknowledged there were "problems of price" in relation to the proposal of France. An accident involving two Rafales the Mediterranean Sea, in full negotiations on the fighters, also scratched the image of the aircraft and led the French to submit to the Brazilian government about the incident and certify the safety of aircraft negotiated.

The main demand from Brazil to choose the winner among three finalists is the possibility of technology transfer and the chance of Brazilian companies could manufacture the new aircraft and export.

Saab came to list part of the fuselage, landing gear and radar components and that, if victorious, would share the know-how with Brazil. In a meeting with Defense Minister, representatives of the French government, in turn, are committed to technology transfer "complete, without restriction and without limit."

For the sake of argument count Boeing as the possible technical superiority FA-18 Hornet, and the propensity of the American company to develop the Company with the freighter military KC-390, to be sold to the FAB. The manufacturer of the fighters not guarantee, however, a wide transfer of technology, vetting potential transactions with Brazilian non-aligned countries to the United States.

http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil...em+na+venda+de+cacas+ao+Brasil+diz+Jobim.html

Oh yeah... just bought more Thales/Dassault stock on the down-low. I'm going to make a fortune!
 

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Jobim recommends French fighter to Lula

Minister will forward to the president in the coming days an explanatory statement, accompanied by a report in favor of buying Rafale

March 19, 2010 | 0h 00
Tania Monteiro - IndiaTimes de S. Paulo

BRASILIA
With the political decision, the Air Force and pacified a 10% reduction in the price of the package, Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, will forward to President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in the coming days, an explanatory statement, accompanied by a report signed by him recommending the purchase of 36 French Rafale fighters to equip the FAB.

The standoff ended after a special commission created in Brazil by Minister Jobim, integrated by the Ministries of Defense and the Treasury's own Air Force, went to France and demanded that the French government's promise by President Nicolas Sarkozy's 10% reduction of price shown in the last proposal, which was not fulfilled by Dassault, manufacturer of the Rafale. Also requested further technical clarifications in relation to price and technology transfer. Prior to this negotiation, the French had only reduced the price of the package, estimated at U.S. $ 10 billion, only 1.8%.

The selection process also involved the Gripen, Sweden's Saab, and the F-18, manufactured by U.S. company Boeing.

Matters had been settled between the two countries, Jobim say in the explanatory memorandum that the Rafale is really the best product to meet the demands of the National Defense Strategy (END).

Plus, now, with the endorsement given by the Air Force, the government believes that all problems are overcome. At the meeting of its High Command, on Tuesday, the matter was discussed and prepared at the time was a response to an inquiry from the Minister if the Rafale met the assumptions of the Defense Strategy, receiving the endorsement of the FAB.

Similar. The military reiterated that the three models in dispute were considered similar, all attended the Air Force Rafale was the most consistent in relation to the END, but reiterated that it was not for them a political decision. The military has an interest in the matter be resolved as quickly as possible.

Jobim wanted it to be checked in detail whether the proposals met the claims made by companies, mainly in the transfer of technology, a key issue for the government, which wanted to fulfill the National Defense Strategy.

Arguments. The departments concluded that while the price of the Rafale would be the highest, the transfer of technology is the most consistent of the French. The same opinion also reiterates the arguments that have been used by the government to challenge the transfer of technology proposed by the Americans, considered failure. And, for the Swedes, the report speaks of the dependence on transfer that the Gripen has over other countries because many of its components come from different supplier

http://www.estadao.com.br/estadaodehoje/20100319/not_imp526421,0.php
 

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Latest Deadline For Brazil Fighter Decision: April

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Published: 28 Mar 2010 09:43



SAO PAULO, Brazil - Brazil plans to announce in early April the winner of a multibillion-dollar competition for modern fighter jets meant to cement its new role as Latin America's preeminent military power.

The tender, though, has been marked by infighting between Brazil's air force and government, and fierce rivalry between the nations vying to score the deal.

The finalists now include France's Rafale made by Dassault, Sweden's Gripen NG by Saab, and the F/A-18 Super Hornet by Boeing.

President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's stated preference for the ultra-sophisticated, semi-stealth Rafale jet annoyed the Air Force, which preferred the much cheaper and easier-to-maintain Gripen.

The Super Hornet, in contrast, has languished in the race - less because of performance comparisons than Brazil's hard-learned lessons that U.S. companies are more reluctant to give full access to their military technology.

Throughout the competition, Lula and his defense minister, Nelson Jobim, have underscored technology transfer as their top priority so that Brazil could not only build its own next-generation fighters but also export them.

That ambition derives from Brazil's growing global clout, and the expectation that Latin America's biggest economy now deserves a seat at the top table alongside U.N. Security Council permanent members Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States.

France's jet bid was bolstered by the fact that Brazil's strategic pact with Paris that has already seen it sign a $12 billion deal in early 2009 to buy 50 helicopters and five submarines from France. One of the submarines will be built to run on nuclear power.

The value of the jet fighter contract has not been revealed, but it is estimated at between $4 billion and $10 billion, depending on the final choice, maintenance costs and armaments.

The initial purchase will be for 36 aircraft to patrol Brazil's vast airspace over the next 30 years, with an option to add nearly 100 more.

Faced with such a juicy opportunity and eyeing other open tenders in India and Kuwait, the competing companies have gone all out to land the Brazilian tender.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy lent his negotiating skills to the endeavor, and he and President Lula issued a joint statement in September saying Brazil had entered into exclusive negotiations to buy the Rafales.

But when the two sidelined contenders cried foul and Brazil's air force showed its displeasure through leaks to the media, Lula had to backtrack and say the competition was still wide open.

The United States used the opening to send top envoys, including national security adviser Jim Jones, to try to convince Brazil the U.S. government was ready to transfer "necessary" technology to win the deal.

Not be outdone, Dassault reportedly cut $2 billion off its asking price, according to the Folha de Sao Paulo daily. The French company did not confirm the discount, saying only it was "confidently" awaiting Brazil's decision.

Then in late February, the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson was morphed into a floating showroom when it was sent to Brazil with its contingent of F/A-18s on display. Boeing representatives were handily available on land to answer questions.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton followed up with a visit in early March, during which she also lobbied for the Super Hornet.

Sweden's Saab, which has emphasized that Brazil could be a partner in the Gripen NG's development right from the prototype stage, has sought to have the last word.

Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia made visit to Brazil this week, during which Swedish business leaders, including Saab CEO Aake Svensson. talked up the business opportunities from a Gripen win.

Under such formidable pressure - domestic and international - Brazil's government has repeatedly pushed back its decision date.

The head of the Air Force, Gen. Juniti Saito, had said the winner would be announced by the end of March.

But Jobim, the defense minister, said March 25 that the victor would now not be declared before April 5, after Brazil's Easter break.


http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4558037&c=AME&s=AIR
 

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Brazil To Open Inquiry Into Jet Fighter Deal

BRASILIA - Brazilian prosecutors have agreed to open an inquiry into a multi-billion-dollar tender pitting France, the United States and Sweden to supply the Latin American nation with modern fighter jets.

A prosecution source told AFP on April 7 that prosecutor Jose Alfredo de Paulo Silva approved the request from a Brazilian individual who argued the preference for France's Rafale was against "economic principles."
The finalists now battling it out in the final stages of the tender are France's Rafale made by Dassault, Sweden's Gripen NG by Saab, and the F/A-18 Super Hornet manufactured by Boeing.

But President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's stated preference for the ultra-sophisticated, semi-stealth Rafale jet has angered the air force, which preferred the much cheaper and easier-to-maintain Gripen.

The Rafale has never been sold abroad, but after Lula's comments is now seen as the front-runner to clinch the contract to supply some 36 fighter jets to the South American nation.

"The Brazilian government, because of external political factors, has decided to choose the Rafale, ruling out the Gripen and Super Hornet which were put forward at a lower price. That is against economic principles," the Brazilian opponent said.

A spokesman for interior ministry told AFP the prosecutor would now "gather information to decide whether ... there is a civil case to answer." The inquiry could last as long as a year, the source added.

On April 5, officials said Lula had now put off any announcement on the winner of the bid, which had been due after Easter, until mid-May.

Throughout the competition, Lula and Defense Minister Nelson Jobim have underscored technology transfer as their top priority so that Brazil could not only build its own next-generation fighters but also export them.

France's jet bid was bolstered by the fact that Brazil has a strategic pact with Paris that has already seen it sign a $12-billion deal in early 2009 to buy 50 helicopters and five submarines from France.

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Brazilians seem to be learning from our babus on how to delay tenders and keep their air force starved off latest tech.:emot15:
 

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Wikileaks: Embraer favoured Super Hornet for Brazilian fighter contract

A newly-leaked diplomatic cable describes Embraer chief executive Frederico Fleury Curado candidly revealing the company's preferred bidder for the F-X2 contract.

The nearly two-year-old message drafted by the US consulate in Sao Paolo, Brazil, summarizes a closed-door meeting on 29 January 2009 between Curado and Clifford Sobel, who was then the US ambassador.

Four months after Brazil's air force short-listed three fighters - the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale and Saab Gripen - for the still-ongoing F-X2 competition, Curado told Sobel that a US purchase of Embraer Super Tucanos would "add value" to Boeing's bid.

"Curado then stated that Embraer privately hopes Boeing wins the contract, though publicly they remain neutral," says the cable, dated 19 February 2009 and stamped "confidential".

Curado also downplayed one of the Brazilian government's key goals in the F-X2 acquisition strategy, according to the cable. By making technology transfer a key part of the bidding requirements, Brazil wants to leverage F-X2 to acquire the skills for developing a fifth-generation fighter after 2025.

But Curado told Sobel that "building a jet fighter is a difficult process and that the only way to truly learn how to build a plane is to develop the aircraft from the very beginning", the cable says, quoting Curado directly saying that "it is through trial and error that a company learns how to actually build an aircraft".

Asked to comment on the cable's description of Curado's remarks, Embraer issued a statement that "our position has always been and remains neutral in this tender".

As it expects to participate in the research, development and production of the fighters, Embraer also has signed agreements with all three finalists for the long-delayed F-X2 order, the company adds.

Brazil originally planned to award the F-X2 contract in mid-2009, but the acquisition process has been mired in political disputes.

On 7 September 2009, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva announced that the Rafale had been selected for the F-X2 order even though the air force had not yet submitted its recommendation. After defence minister Nelson Jobim threatened to resign, da Silva agreed to back down although he reportedly still favours the Rafale.

After da Silva's successor - Dilma Rousseff - was elected on 1 November, the F-X2 contract was expected to be awarded by end-year.



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President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva will not make a decision on a multi-billion-dollar jet fighter purchase before stepping down on January 1, state media reported. Lula told official television station TV Brasil that it would be up to the government of his successor, Dilma Rousseff, to decide the issue (Defense News).

But Brazil may face a shortage of jet fighters to defend the country's capital because it will need to retire by 2014 a total of 12 Mirage-2000s currently dedicated to the defense of Brasilia and based in Anapolis, Goias state. The nation may have to rely on upgraded versions of 1970's-vintage Northrop F-5 jet fighters for the task (Bloomberg).

A longer-range radar-guided version of the Umkhonto air defence missile may be the next joint development programme between South Africa and Brazil, South African state arsenal Denel says. The company's Denel Dynamics is currently in a R1 billion joint programme with IBSA partner Brazil to develop and produce a fifth-generation infra-red-guided short-range air-to-air missile (DefenceWeb).

After issuing a request for proposals in September, the Brazilian air force's KC-X tanker/transport procurement has taken an unexpected turn. Despite having initially forecast the participation of at least three bidders, sources in Brasilia indicate that Airbus Military's A330 multi-role tanker/transport might be selected before the end of the year (FlightGlobal).
 

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I don't have much good to say about Lula. His political savvy is about as smooth as a hammer. Good news is Jobim will carry on as DefMin.
 

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I don't have much good to say about Lula. His political savvy is about as smooth as a hammer. Good news is Jobim will carry on as DefMin.
You reckon Rafale stands a chance against Gripen NG? I mean Rafale is twin-engined, very expensive and high cost fighter compared to very similar capabilities that Gripen is offering in NG platform when you see Brazilian theater of aerial warfare. This has to be seen specific to the national needs since the previous article posted by LF states that Brazilian air force's choice is the Gripen due to its extreme flexibility and cost-effectiveness-yet-sophistication.
 

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Hmmmm! What happened to all those news which said "Rafale won Brazilian MRCA contest"? Me demande combien de champagne français s'est débouchée pour rien?
 

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Brazil to acquire 36 fighter aircraft in FX-2 DEAL

Brazil is soon expected to make an announcement about its initial 36-aircraft FX-2 fighter deal. The top contenders for the FX-2 deal are Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale and Saab Gripen NG. A platform selection will be confirmed by Brazil's National Defence Council – chaired by president Luiz Ignacio Lula da Silva – following the delivery of a 26,000-page report compiled by the nation's air force and overseen by service chief Lt Brig Juniti Saito. The outcome of the FX-2 contest appeared to have already been determined when da Silva and his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy held a joint press conference in which the Rafale was named as the preferred candidate. However, the Brazilian defence ministry swiftly distanced itself from the claim, and invited a second round of best and final offers from all three bidding companies. Lets go ahead and analyze which of the three contenders will grab the FX-2 deal.

Although Dassault Rafale has a past history of failures in international competitions, it has a lot of advantages in the Brazilian FX-2 deal. It can play the carrier-compatible card, since the NAe Sao Paulo was once FNS Foch. Brazil has experience with the Mirage 2000 and offers a common technological and training base. France is also seen as a good supplier who avoids political interference and provides a fair deal on technology transfers. The new RBE2-AA AESA radar being developed by Thales adds additional incentives. The one drawback is the Rafale's narrow range of integrated weapons. Dassault Rafale needs to acquire this deal , and also they should be very motivated on the price. If Dassault rafale can't make a deal here, it would be very difficult for them to strike deal anywhere else in the world.

The next contender is F/A-18E/F Super Hornet developed by Boeing. The Super Hornet shares the carrier-compatible card with Dassault's Rafale, but compatibility with a smaller carrier like the Sao Paolo would have to be established. Boeing also shares a key advantage with EADS' Eurofighter when it comes to industrial offsets, thanks to Boeing's passenger aircraft division. The proven APG-79 AESA radar in the Super Hornet offers Brazil an advanced technology . On the flip side, the Super Hornet offers lesser aerodynamic performance than other competitors, falling behind in areas like maneuverability, acceleration, etc. This weakness is compounded by the fact that Super Hornets sell for about $75-90 million each, placing them above the Gripen, F-16 E/F+, and the SU-35, but below the Eurofighter. Concerns about America's policy to use arms export bans may add a final complication to the Super Hornet's chances of winning the bid.

The final contender in this FX-2 deal is the JAS-39 Gripen (Saab/BAE) . Saab offers strong industrial partnerships, and has a record of successful technology transfer agreements. The next-generation Gripen program offers key industrial opportunities, along with a high-performance, affordable fighter. Gripens can operate from highways if need be, which gives Brazil great flexibility in deploying them. An AESA radar developed with Selex Galileo will also be offered, leveraging that firm's successful radar history with Brazil's F-5BR (Grifo-F) and AMX (Scipio) fighter programs. The Raven is an unusual combination of an AESA radar that can be mechanically scanned, offering more points of failure but widening the radar's scanning cone versus other competitors. These factors make Gripen a strong contender and its F404/F414 engine offers the advantages of certain performance and a very broad customer base. Another potential weakness may be the fact that each plane only has one engine, since Brazil combines vast over-water areas and even vaster wilderness areas to patrol. Those requirements usually translate into a focus on range and 2-engine safety, which have worked against Gripen in other competitions. While the other 2 Brazilian finalists are both 2-engine planes, most of Brazil's other fighters (Tucano ALX, AMX, Mirage 2000) have just one engine.

Hence we will have to wait and watch which of these aircraft manufacturers acquire the Brazilian FX-2 deal.


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Seems like these guys are waiting for us to take the decision. Seriously....It is just my hunch?..or anyone else feels the same?
 

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Seems like these guys are waiting for us to take the decision. Seriously....It is just my hunch?..or anyone else feels the same?
they may be waiting for us....but the parameters of both AF is very different from each other....so u seriously cant say if they are waiting for us or its something else...
 

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This is an Indian competition. Better has nothing to do with it. Heck, they can't even seem to decide if they want to buy one or two aircraft types. The requirements keep changing, the bids keep changing... in other words, like most large Indian procurement projects this one is a complete mess.
 

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This is an Indian competition. Better has nothing to do with it. Heck, they can't even seem to decide if they want to buy one or two aircraft types. The requirements keep changing, the bids keep changing... in other words, like most large Indian procurement projects this one is a complete mess.
Oh yeah, well FYI, the jets that are competing in the Indian MRCA tender are all the best 4.5 generation fighters in the world today. So no matter, whichever we get, it will be nothing short of the best. Although, i sincerely wish that we choose the Rafale or the Typhoon. There are no reports of IAF going for two aircrafts, that's all media hype. Its a huge deal, requirements are bound to change as and when new parameters are set for the type of aircraft to be inducted after all competing planes are thoroughly tested, its all about making an informed decision.
 

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If the order is split in two, it will be just the Please the Americans, finally some 30k jobs are @ stake in the US against the MMRCA (Indian), remember our beloved PM (Mr. MMS) has promised of improved business ties & grown in the US economy, (his famous comment, we are not stealing US jobs) will be proven wrong if the Jets selected for MMRCA is not an American.
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Jokes apart, i Truly wish for the Rafale to emerge victories in the Competition.
 

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@Satish

I agree. They are probably waiting for MRCA. However I am expecting it has less to do with which aircraft is better and more to do with economics. They will be very interested in which aircraft was the cheapest among the 3 they have in the deal.

They have announced April as the next date for starting contract agreement while we have announced March as ours.
 

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