Brand new IAF C-130 crashed in Gawalior

[lookieloo]

Lets be civil and be logical and seriously avoid getting personal ..

Damned if the attitude/vibe on this forum hasn't regressed from "emerging-superpower" to "3rd-world-$hithead" over the past few months; it's starting to look like pk-defense around here now.

...will now go back to avoiding this thread.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

This thread will be not closed, It will open and moderated ..

MODs please close this thread until any report from IAF or the manufacturer comes out...

 

[Kushal sinha]

Re: C130 j crash

:fkidding: Do we have C130J Choppers ..does IAF operating them

@Twinblade your attention needed

No we dont have any c130 choppers

 

[laughingbuddha]

Maybe its been pimped / tricked

 

[cobra commando]

'Turbulence probably downed
Super Hercules'

Initial findings of a probe into the crash of the Indian Air Force's C-130J Super Hercules on March 28 indicate that it may have gone down due to turbulence caused by another C-130J flying ahead of it, a source told HT. The four-engine aircraft had crashed near Gwalior barely an hour after it took off from the Agra airbase on a low-level flying mission along with another C-130J. "Preliminary findings suggest that the plane encountered wake turbulence generated by the leading aircraft. It seems the aircraft was flying too close to the plane ahead of it," the source said. He added human error couldn't be ruled out as the pilot could have avoided the leading plane's turbulence by re-calibrating flight path. Heavier planes that carry out low- level training are known to produce strong vortices. The ill- fated plane's crew was simulating a manoeuvre to drop paratroopers in a combat zone from an extremely low altitude to evade detection by enemy radars. As first reported by HT on March 31, the plane was flying 300 feet above ground level but had eased up to 1,000 feet, ruling out the possibility of crashing into a hillock. Wake turbulence accidents are most common at low altitude. Five crew members were killed in the crash, the second ever fatal mishap involving a C-130J, known for its high survivability worldwide. The black box and the cockpit voice recorder of the plane were sent to the US to decrypt data that is currently being examined by the IAF to piece together what happened.

'Turbulence probably downed Super Hercules' - Hindustan Times

 

[muralidon924]

source:indian express
Wake turbulence' led to C-130 J aircraft crash
The shocking crash last month of the IAF's special operations C-130 J aircraft is believed to have been caused by the transporter inadvertently flying into the wake of the lead plane during the tactical training mission, leading to a loss of control at low altitude and the accident that killed all five crew members.

Preliminary findings of the detailed inquiry under way point to a "wake turbulence" incident in which the C-130 J, which was part of a two-aircraft formation practising insertion of paratroopers, stalled at a low level after hitting the wake of the lead aircraft.

The findings have ruled out any technical fault and suggested that the aircraft failed to adopt a flight path to avoid the massive wake generated by the four engines of the lead C-130 J. An error of judgement by the pilot could have contributed to the incident, the findings suggest.
The probability of such a loss of control is particularly high when heavy aircraft are conducting manoeuvres close to the ground. In this case, both aircraft were flying at 300 feet above ground level and had to climb to 1,000 feet when the accident occurred.

While the lead aircraft of the formation successfully climbed to 1,000 feet after the simulated "drop", the second aircraft crashed into a river bed without any warning or distress signal.

This, sources said, suggests a sudden, drastic loss of control due to the turbulence generated by the lead C-130 J and is being corroborated by the air crash investigators with data from the flight recorders.

Once the inquiry findings are finalised, new safety directives are likely to be generated within the air force to avoid such accidents. The air force had also sought the help of the manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, to decipher the voice recorder as well as the flight data recorder.

The loss of the air force's most modern special operations C-130 J aircraft on March 28 was particularly shocking given that the plane had been inducted into the air force in 2010 and was commanded by Wing Commander Prashant Joshi, an experienced pilot and the second in command of the 77 'Veiled Vipers' squadron.

Hours after taking off as part of a two-aircraft formation from Agra to carry out low-level flying training, the aircraft had apparently grazed a hillock before crashing 116 km west of Gwalior on the Rajasthan-Madhya Pradesh border.

 

[Sea Eagle]

Pilot error led to C-130J Hercules crash: IAF sources
Press Trust of India

Error in piloting is understood to have been found as the reason behind the crash of Air Force's C-130J Super Hercules aircraft in March in which five service personnel, including four officers, were killed near Gwalior.
The Court of Inquiry is almost complete and error in piloting is believed to have been the reason behind the crash, highly placed IAF sources said.
The aircraft, worth over Rs 900 crore, had crashed while practicing a tactical operation along with another C-130J Super Hercules aircraft after taking off from Agra on March 28.
All the crew on board — four officers and one Warrant Officer — lost their lives in the mishap.
The IAF Court of Inquiry under an officer of the rank of Air Commodore (equivalent to a Brigadier in Army) is in the final stages and the report will be soon submitted to the Defence Ministry, IAF spokesperson Group Captain Gerard Galway said.
India recently inducted six C-130J Super Hercules aircraft which were bought from the US at a cost of around Rs 6,000 crore (USD 1 billion) four years ago.
The inquiry was held back for some time in the early stages as the black box of the aircraft had suffered damage and had to be sent to the original equipment manufacturer Lockheed Martin Corporation's facility in the US.
The home base of the 77 squadron "Veiled Vipers" operating the ill-fated aircraft is Hindan in Ghaziabad near here. The aircraft has recently landed at Ladakh's Daulat Beg Oldie air field near the Sino-India border and have helped in boosting IAF's capability to airlift troops closer to the border in times of emergency.
IAF has also placed orders for another six such aircraft, which are planned to be deployed in Panagarh, West Bengal, near the headquarters of Indian Army's 17 Strike Corp being raised to counter the threat along the border with China.

Pilot error led to C-130J Hercules crash: IAF sources | The Indian Express

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

RIP brave officers

 

[Blackwater]

Pilot error led to C-130J Hercules crash: IAF sources
Press Trust of India

Error in piloting is understood to have been found as the reason behind the crash of Air Force's C-130J Super Hercules aircraft in March in which five service personnel, including four officers, were killed near Gwalior.
The Court of Inquiry is almost complete and error in piloting is believed to have been the reason behind the crash, highly placed IAF sources said.
The aircraft, worth over Rs 900 crore, had crashed while practicing a tactical operation along with another C-130J Super Hercules aircraft after taking off from Agra on March 28.
All the crew on board — four officers and one Warrant Officer — lost their lives in the mishap.
The IAF Court of Inquiry under an officer of the rank of Air Commodore (equivalent to a Brigadier in Army) is in the final stages and the report will be soon submitted to the Defence Ministry, IAF spokesperson Group Captain Gerard Galway said.
India recently inducted six C-130J Super Hercules aircraft which were bought from the US at a cost of around Rs 6,000 crore (USD 1 billion) four years ago.
The inquiry was held back for some time in the early stages as the black box of the aircraft had suffered damage and had to be sent to the original equipment manufacturer Lockheed Martin Corporation's facility in the US.
The home base of the 77 squadron "Veiled Vipers" operating the ill-fated aircraft is Hindan in Ghaziabad near here. The aircraft has recently landed at Ladakh's Daulat Beg Oldie air field near the Sino-India border and have helped in boosting IAF's capability to airlift troops closer to the border in times of emergency.
IAF has also placed orders for another six such aircraft, which are planned to be deployed in Panagarh, West Bengal, near the headquarters of Indian Army's 17 Strike Corp being raised to counter the threat along the border with China.

Pilot error led to C-130J Hercules crash: IAF sources | The Indian Express

When I told this (pilot error)I was targeted by some ex fouji in this forum

 

[dealwithit]

When I told this (pilot error)I was targeted by some ex fouji in this forum

it is called Denial .......... Can't accept

like a new film by Sajid starring aamir khan

 

[Pandora]

Am sure if its LCA ,they only gonna blame LCA for this crash.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its unfortunate and very sad affair, I hope this accident will make a lesson to learn ..

 

[ersakthivel]

When I told this (pilot error)I was targeted by some ex fouji in this forum

Well, For a change,

Do you accept that black box has been damaged in a crash which happened so close to the ground?

Then what is the purpose of the black box?

If an indian made plane crashed so near the ground , reports come out saying black box is damaged and pilot error is the reason for it, Will it be easily accepted?

It is a newer version , Anything could have caused the crash.

There should have been warning signals sounding out the pilot if he exceeds the limit. In a modern military plane such systems warning the pilots are mandatory.

If they were there it is highly unlikely that experienced pilots will overshoot it and risk themselves and their plane with such a risky manoeuvre.
It is not 70s era Mig-21 to say that pilot error crashed the plane.

People dumping on ADA for tejas should realize the worth of 2500 incident free test flights when they compare it to this crash.

 

[Zebra]

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[Blackwater]

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just 1 more

 

[Zebra]

just 1 more

:biggrin2:

Sir, you and me are not good enough to get more.

That's why just one.

 

[angeldude13]

You people scared me. I thought another one of those c-130 got crashed today

 

[dineshchaturvedi]

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Believe it is to make up for the loss.

 

[Zebra]

Believe it is to make up for the loss.

....................................I know.