Brain of Kashmir jihad Ex ISI chief Hamid Gul dead

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His anti-India and Kashmir obsession coupled with islamofascist jihadi culture is
destroying Pakistan from inside.Gul has accomplished what the Indian army could
not do for last six decades.Great sevices to Pakistan,indeed- if there is going to any
Pakistan left to serve.
Nothing is destroying Pakistan from inside. Secondly TTP had nothing to with those who we trained for Afghanistan in 80s. TTP are mostly tribal s who unfortunately turned against us because of idiot policies of General Musharraf. Now TTP game is pretty much over local tribes are fed up of them and they are being defeated every where. Also RAW proxies are being eliminated like BLA and MQM. As for those Hameed Gul supported they were loyal to Pakistan from day one and still are. So at least get your facts right before talking.
 
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Yeah yeah.

He destroyed not just Pakistan but also Afganistan and a entire 2 generation and gave Pakistan a tag of Terrorist State. He is behind all the 60,000 dead in Pakistan,Riots,Chaos and Batti gul.



72 year old virgin joooo meeeen.

Against pathetically hilarious and false notions far far away from truth and reality.
 
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I only respect him, because he was a patriot.. rest he was just another terror monger. Brain Haemorrhage means he was still under stress due to high BP.
He was a terrorist like rest of Paki army.
Pakis are still reaping the fruits of terrorism this b@stard sow.
 

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Against pathetically hilarious and false notions far far away from truth and reality.
Talk about FACTS and not some rhetoric foolish one liners. :lol:

What comes in minds of people when they hear this word --> Pakistan? It's Terrorism and long bearded Mullah terrorists like Osama and Omar who love to blow themselves up dream of 72 year old virgins.

It's Pakistan who is in a pathetic state ... all thanks to it's Un-Islamic Army who has given them nothing but shameless defeat and lost Bangladesh and Siachin.Today they cant control their own territory.Thats PATHETIC.

All of Pak armed forces came under command of Indian Army in 1971 and that's when Pakis stopped fighting head on since they know that they have to bend over and lift their ass in surrender to India aka real Abba.

Now that's what we call hilarious. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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Pakistan ex-spymaster Hamid Gul, foe of U.S., friend of Osama bin Laden, dead at 78




ISLAMABAD – Hamid Gul, who led Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency as it funneled U.S. and Saudi cash and weapons to Afghan jihadis fighting against the Soviets and later publicly supported Islamic militants, died late Saturday of a brain hemorrhage. He was 78.

Gul’s tenure at the ISI and his outspoken backing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and other extremists highlighted the murky loyalties at play years later when the Sept. 11 attacks and their aftermath tested the U.S.-Pakistani alliance.

Gul came to be seen as an increasingly out-of-touch braggart later in life, as he appeared on countless Pakistani television programs warning of conspiracies and demanding his country militarily confront its nuclear-armed neighbor India.

“The unruly mujahedeen commanders obeyed and respected him like no one else,” Gul’s online autobiography reads. “Later on with the advent of the Taliban’s rise he was equally admired and respected.”

Gul died late Saturday night at the hill resort of Murree near the capital, Islamabad, his daughter, Uzma Gul, told The Associated Press. She said Gul suffered a brain hemorrhage.

Funeral prayers were offered at an army base in the garrison city of Rawalpindi near the capital, Islamabad. Pakistani army chief Gen. Raheel Sharif attended alongside other serving and retired military officers.

Born Nov. 20, 1936, near Sargodha in eastern Pakistan, Gul served in the army and fought in two wars against India. He viewed India with suspicion for the rest of his life, claiming it wanted to seize Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. Many believe he helped shape Pakistan’s policy of funding Islamic militant groups to attack India’s interests in the disputed Kashmir region.

Gul became the chief of the ISI in 1987, at a time when the U.S. and Saudi Arabia were using the spy agency to funnel billions of dollars to militants fighting the Soviets during their occupation of neighboring Afghanistan.

Those militants later became the backbone of the Taliban and included a young Saudi named Osama bin Laden.

The government of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto forced Gul out in 1989. He later acknowledged having forged an alliance of Islamist political parties to challenge Bhutto in the 1988 elections that brought her to power.

Despite being stripped of his office, Gul remained influential. Though unnamed in the Sept. 11 commission report, U.S. officials at the time said they suspected Gul tipped bin Laden off to a failed 1998 cruise missile attack targeting him in Afghanistan. The operation came in response to al-Qaida attacks on embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people. The officials said he contacted Taliban leaders and assured them that he would provide three or four hours of warning before any U.S. missile launch.

Gul also was a close ally of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who received U.S. assistance during the Soviet occupation and was a bitter rival of Taliban figurehead Mullah Mohammad Omar. The U.S. declared Hekmatyar a “global terrorist” in 2003 because of alleged links to al-Qaida and froze all assets he may have had in the United States.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, Gul became an outspoken opponent to the U.S. while cheering the Taliban in public and media appearances. There were allegations, however, that Gul had a more hands-on approach. U.S. intelligence reports later released by WikiLeaks allege he dispatched three men in December 2006 to carry out attacks in Afghanistan’s capital.

“Reportedly Gul’s final comment to the three individuals was to make the snow warm in Kabul, basically telling them to set Kabul aflame,” the report said.

Gul at the time described the documents as “fiction and nothing else.” Some of the reports, generated by junior intelligence officers, did include far-fetched claims, including an allegation in 2007 that militants teamed up with the ISI to kill Afghan and NATO forces with poisoned alcohol bought in Pakistan.

But Gul’s anti-Americanism was by then well-known. At one point in 2003, Gul boasted that Pakistani officials would “turn a blind eye” to any Taliban or al-Qaida fighters who escaped Afghanistan.

“The intelligence and security agencies are a part of the ethos of the country and the national ethos today is a hatred of America,” he said.

When U.S. special forces killed bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011, Gul helped spread a rumor that U.S. forces actually killed the al-Qaida leader in Afghanistan and brought his body to Pakistan to humiliate the country.

“My feeling is that it was all a hoax, a drama which has been crafted, and badly scripted I would say,” he said.

In conspiracy-minded Pakistan, many believed him. As the last line of his online autobiography reads: “People wait to listen to his direction before forming their own opinions.”
 

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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...d-gul-foe-u-s-friend-osama-bin-laden-dead-78/




Pakistan ex-spymaster Hamid Gul, foe of U.S., friend of Osama bin Laden, dead at 78




ISLAMABAD – Hamid Gul, who led Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency as it funneled U.S. and Saudi cash and weapons to Afghan jihadis fighting against the Soviets and later publicly supported Islamic militants, died late Saturday of a brain hemorrhage. He was 78.

Gul’s tenure at the ISI and his outspoken backing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and other extremists highlighted the murky loyalties at play years later when the Sept. 11 attacks and their aftermath tested the U.S.-Pakistani alliance.

Gul came to be seen as an increasingly out-of-touch braggart later in life, as he appeared on countless Pakistani television programs warning of conspiracies and demanding his country militarily confront its nuclear-armed neighbor India.

“The unruly mujahedeen commanders obeyed and respected him like no one else,” Gul’s online autobiography reads. “Later on with the advent of the Taliban’s rise he was equally admired and respected.”

Gul died late Saturday night at the hill resort of Murree near the capital, Islamabad, his daughter, Uzma Gul, told The Associated Press. She said Gul suffered a brain hemorrhage.

Funeral prayers were offered at an army base in the garrison city of Rawalpindi near the capital, Islamabad. Pakistani army chief Gen. Raheel Sharif attended alongside other serving and retired military officers.

Born Nov. 20, 1936, near Sargodha in eastern Pakistan, Gul served in the army and fought in two wars against India. He viewed India with suspicion for the rest of his life, claiming it wanted to seize Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. Many believe he helped shape Pakistan’s policy of funding Islamic militant groups to attack India’s interests in the disputed Kashmir region.

Gul became the chief of the ISI in 1987, at a time when the U.S. and Saudi Arabia were using the spy agency to funnel billions of dollars to militants fighting the Soviets during their occupation of neighboring Afghanistan.

Those militants later became the backbone of the Taliban and included a young Saudi named Osama bin Laden.

The government of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto forced Gul out in 1989. He later acknowledged having forged an alliance of Islamist political parties to challenge Bhutto in the 1988 elections that brought her to power.

Despite being stripped of his office, Gul remained influential. Though unnamed in the Sept. 11 commission report, U.S. officials at the time said they suspected Gul tipped bin Laden off to a failed 1998 cruise missile attack targeting him in Afghanistan. The operation came in response to al-Qaida attacks on embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people. The officials said he contacted Taliban leaders and assured them that he would provide three or four hours of warning before any U.S. missile launch.

Gul also was a close ally of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who received U.S. assistance during the Soviet occupation and was a bitter rival of Taliban figurehead Mullah Mohammad Omar. The U.S. declared Hekmatyar a “global terrorist” in 2003 because of alleged links to al-Qaida and froze all assets he may have had in the United States.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, Gul became an outspoken opponent to the U.S. while cheering the Taliban in public and media appearances. There were allegations, however, that Gul had a more hands-on approach. U.S. intelligence reports later released by WikiLeaks allege he dispatched three men in December 2006 to carry out attacks in Afghanistan’s capital.

“Reportedly Gul’s final comment to the three individuals was to make the snow warm in Kabul, basically telling them to set Kabul aflame,” the report said.

Gul at the time described the documents as “fiction and nothing else.” Some of the reports, generated by junior intelligence officers, did include far-fetched claims, including an allegation in 2007 that militants teamed up with the ISI to kill Afghan and NATO forces with poisoned alcohol bought in Pakistan.

But Gul’s anti-Americanism was by then well-known. At one point in 2003, Gul boasted that Pakistani officials would “turn a blind eye” to any Taliban or al-Qaida fighters who escaped Afghanistan.

“The intelligence and security agencies are a part of the ethos of the country and the national ethos today is a hatred of America,” he said.

When U.S. special forces killed bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011, Gul helped spread a rumor that U.S. forces actually killed the al-Qaida leader in Afghanistan and brought his body to Pakistan to humiliate the country.

“My feeling is that it was all a hoax, a drama which has been crafted, and badly scripted I would say,” he said.

In conspiracy-minded Pakistan, many believed him. As the last line of his online autobiography reads: “People wait to listen to his direction before forming their own opinions.”

he was the master mind of double game
 
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The godfather of the Taliban: Hamid Gul and his legacy
The former head of Pakistan's ISI has died of a brain hemorrhage near Islamabad. Known as the "godfather of the Taliban," Hamid Gul remained an Islamist ideologue until his death. He leaves behind a dangerous legacy.

"Hamid Gul is not dead; he is alive in the form of numerous jihadist organizations, including the Taliban, and in the Islamist narratives of the Pakistani state that have persisted since the 1980s Afghan War. He will live on as long as the Pakistani military continues its anti-India policies and meddles in the Afghan affairs," a friend of mine said to me over the telephone after the news of Gul's death broke on Pakistan's TV channels on August 15.

Lieutenant General Gul, the former chief of Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) spy agency, was a controversial figure in Pakistan and Afghanistan for his role in the Afghan war against the Soviets and his support of the Taliban. A number of historians called him the "father of the Taliban," but godfather would be more accurate: He didn't create the group - just nurtured it. In Afghanistan, Gul was sometimes called "the butcher of the Afghans."

While the Afghan and Pakistani liberals rejoice in Gul's death, many in Pakistan are mourning his demise. He was not just a former ISI head, he was also an ideologue to Pakistan's conservative sections, right-wing journalists, the madrassa clerics and students, and a powerful faction of the Pakistani army.

"Hamid Gul is relatively lesser known than General Zia-ul-Haq, the military dictator at the time of the Afghan war, but his role was as damaging as Haq's," Arshad Mahmood, an Islamabad-based activist, told DW. "He was responsible for destroying Afghanistan, and his legacy for Pakistan is equally pernicious. The Afghans hate him, and rightly so."

Gul's role in spearheading an Islamist insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir is also well-documented. New Delhi holds him responsible for diverting militants and arms from the Afghan war to Srinagar toward the end of his job as spy chief in 1989.

A territorial dispute over the northern Kashmir region has been going on between India and Pakistan for over six decades, with both nuclear-armed countries claiming the territory in its entirety. India and Pakistan have fought two wars over Kashmir since their independence from Britain in 1947.

Following his retirement, Gul became a security expert and could be seen on television defending both the Taliban and Kashmiri militants. He was frequently invited by the Islamist parties to their anti-West rallies.

"A man responsible for much chaos and bloodshed in the world has passed away, yet his legacy of helping transform Pakistan into a terrorist haven will live on," Ghaffar Husain, a UK-based counterterrorism expert, wrote on Facebook.

Gul and the Taliban

Gul served the ISI as its chief from 1987 to 1989, when the US-backed Afghan jihad against the Soviet Union was in its last stages. The Islamists hail him as an Afghan war hero who led the mujahedeen, or holy warriors, to a historic victory over the Soviets. While the US turned its back on Afghanistan and Pakistan after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, Gul and his ISI continued to work to install a Pakistan-friendly government in Kabul. As a deadly civil war broke out in Pakistan's neighborhood, the ISI backed a number of Islamist groups to fight against pro-India or pro-Russia factions.

"Gul and the ISI did not let any Afghan government to succeed after the departure of the Soviet forces," Farooq Sulehria, a Pakistani researcher and journalist in London, told DW. "It was one of the worst periods in the history of Afghanistan, and Gul was its architect."

The situation had deteriorated to an extent that when the Taliban emerged as a force, most Afghans had no choice but to welcome them, Sulehria added.

Sulehria said, however, that Gul was not the founder of the Taliban: "Gul was supporting the warlord Gulbeddin Hikmetyar against former Presidents Dr. Najibullah (1987-92) and Burhanuddin Rabbani (1992-96). He only started backing the Taliban when they became stronger as a movement," he said, adding that it was the former civilian prime minister Benazir Bhutto and her interior minister, Naseerullah Babar, who were behind the creation of the Taliban.

'Taliban are our people'

Gul became active in Pakistani politics in the late 1990s. His relations with his former institution deteriorated after General Pervez Musharraf decided to side with the US effort to topple the Taliban government in Kabul after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

"Pakistan's alliance with the US against the Taliban irked many former army generals who had supported the Islamists," Sulehria said. "These divisions within the army still persist. While some military generals think that a 'double game' with the West - kill some Taliban and save some - is a good strategy, people like Gul wanted Islamabad to support Islamists wholeheartedly."

Hamid Gul remained close to the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban until his death

The ISI's relations with the United States and its Central Intelligence Agency further deteriorated after the assassination of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad in 2011. The ties had remained difficult throughout the past decade. The United States repeatedly accused the Pakistani military and the ISI of backing some factions of the Taliban, a charge Islamabad has always denied.

Till his death, Gul remained a fierce critic of US policies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. As an Islamist ideologue, he put his weight behind numerous jihadi organizations and believed that Pakistan and Afghanistan needed an Islamic regime for a lasting peace in the region.

"The Taliban are our people. They are angry at us, but we can get them back on our side," Gul once said in a TV interview.
 

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Nothing is destroying Pakistan from inside. Secondly TTP had nothing to with those who we trained for Afghanistan in 80s. TTP are mostly tribal s who unfortunately turned against us because of idiot policies of General Musharraf. Now TTP game is pretty much over local tribes are fed up of them and they are being defeated every where. Also RAW proxies are being eliminated like BLA and MQM. As for those Hameed Gul supported they were loyal to Pakistan from day one and still are. So at least get your facts right before talking.
do you know Afghan Taliban has waged war on Pakistan. weren't they your brethren?

The point is NOT who is against who! The point is about Muslim Population in that region is enemy of eachother.

Hence this simply question the existence of Pakistan. That's why it is a failed state.
 

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do you know Afghan Taliban has waged war on Pakistan. weren't they your brethren?

The point is NOT who is against who! The point is about Muslim Population in that region is enemy of eachother.

Hence this simply question the existence of Pakistan. That's why it is a failed state.
Pakis are using all their F-16's/Tanks/Heliships/Canons and what not but the Talibunnies are still there and killing Pakis.Actually Pak Army is impotent before them and Talibunnies are better fighters that Pak Army and the reason Pak Army sends them to fight India since Pak Army is so coward and cant fight Indian Army.

Pak Army is a joke and a coward Army who refuse to accept bodies of their own soldiers. :rofl: :rofl:

Seems like Pakis forgot who butchered their 160 kids.
 

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Pakis are using all their F-16's/Tanks/Heliships/Canons and what not but the Talibunnies are still there and killing Pakis.Actually Pak Army is impotent before them and Talibunnies are better fighters that Pak Army and the reason Pak Army sends them to fight India since Pak Army is so coward and cant fight Indian Army.

Pak Army is a joke and a coward Army who refuse to accept bodies of their own soldiers. :rofl: :rofl:

Seems like Pakis forgot who butchered their 160 kids.
actually Pakistan army is full of Punjabies and they are inferior to local mountainous people, pathans, when it comes to combat. Even if their whole army of Punjabies is deployed in KPK , waziristan etc.. they will get butchered badly.
 

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actually Pakistan army is full of Punjabies and they are inferior to local mountainous people, pathans, when it comes to combat. Even if their whole army of Punjabies is deployed in KPK , waziristan etc.. they will get butchered badly.
Why do you have to make this about ethnicity

our finest soldiers (barring gorkhas) are punjabis
 

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Why do you have to make this about ethnicity

our finest soldiers (barring gorkhas) are punjabis
every one from mountain region is naturally built for combat..

and their finest soldiers are Pathans , Punjabis can never win against them. AND in PAKISTAN it is about ethnicity!
 

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Nothing is destroying Pakistan from inside. Secondly TTP had nothing to with those who we trained for Afghanistan in 80s. TTP are mostly tribal s who unfortunately turned against us because of idiot policies of General Musharraf. Now TTP game is pretty much over local tribes are fed up of them and they are being defeated every where. Also RAW proxies are being eliminated like BLA and MQM. As for those Hameed Gul supported they were loyal to Pakistan from day one and still are. So at least get your facts right before talking.
petty excuses for terrorist killing other people. if this is the prevalent mentality of each and every paki then even your allah cant save you.
 

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Good riddance!

30 characters????....He dont deserve 30 characters!!
actually pakis in this forum are making a martyr out of him.
but the truth is.. he was a misleading and delusional liar, never tasted success in his life. and pretty much everything including his k plan were big failures.
so even by jehadi standards he will never get his 72 whores.
 

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Paki Anchor to Hamid Gul: You're responsible for today's Pakistan's instability
 

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