BrahMos to test anti-ship variant from submarine platform

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  1. rahulrds1

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    In a critical test, an anti-ship version of the BrahMos, the Russian-Indian supersonic cruise missile, will be launched from a submarine platform by year-end, the Russian partner company in the project said today.

    "We need a test-launch by the end of the year," Alexander Dergachev, Deputy General Director of the Russian partner company NPO Mashninostroyenie, said.

    "A decision will be made on whether the weapon can be accepted for service with the Indian Navy, dependent on the outcome," he was quoted by RIA Novosti news agency as saying.

    The test will be a single demonstration firing from a submerged raft, Dergachev said.

    "When an operational carrier has been chosen, then further trials will continue," he said.

    BrahMos, set up in 1998, produces three variants of the BrahMos missile, based on the NPO Mashinostroyenie 3M55 Yakhont (NATO SS-N-26) supersonic cruise missile already in service with Russia's Armed Forces.

    The Indian Army has already taken delivery of the land-launched variant. The Navy already has the ship-launched missiles on ten vessels, Dergachev said.

    The Indian Air Force will also use the weapon, from an upgraded batch of 42 Sukhoi Su-30MKI strike fighters it is expected to order later this year, Russia's Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said earlier.

    "The missile had a range of 300 kilometres, and will be vertically-launched by a gas generator in its launch container, which will eject the weapon by gas pressure, after which it will reach Mach two," he said.

    BrahMos can fly as low as 30 feet (10 m) or attack its target from a high angle, combined with supersonic speed and evasive maneuvering. BrahMos can carry a conventional warhead of up to 300 kg (660 lbs).

    Earlier this week the Indian Navy successfully test-fired a highly-manoeuvrable version of the 290-km range BrahMos supersoniccruise missile from a warship off the Goa coast.

    The missile was fired without a warhead, hit the target ship after performing intricate manoeuvres.

    BrahMos is a stealth supersonic cruise missile that can be launched from submarines, ships, aircraft or land.

    It is a joint venture between India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Russia's NPO Mashinostroeyenia who have together formed BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited.

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    Let us hope that the test is successful and INDIA joins the group.........
     
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    that tech is from K15, Russians have not shared their underwater booster tech with India. Since it is proven tech expect it as successful test.
     
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    Good news maybe we can replace the klubs in the kilos with Brahmos, but
    the launch tube would need a refitting.
     
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    Brahmos is too big for tubes. I was hoping for VLS plug in but let see what they do.
     
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    Maybe a torpedo tube like how tomahawks(vls or ttl) are launched or worst
    case a surface launch but it would defeat the stealth.
     
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    Must be a specialized version of PJ-10, Slim enough to be fired from torpedo tubes..

    VLS is not a good idea coz it cannot be implemented on every subs, But if PJ-10 can be fired from torpedo tubes then it can be used on Most sub in IN inventory..

    From Kilos- Scorpions to Arihant and Akula..
     
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    once india can learn to adapt the mechanisms ( im not an expert on this ) for our own indigenous missiles with longer range - then that would be really.,really something ..... meanwhile this is a GREAT step forward ! congrats !
     
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    That is true.

    However, AFAIK Brahmos Corp. is only pushing for VLS based version of missile for submarine platform. IN is not ready to accept VLS solution in P75A/B or future sub designs. Debate has been going on for a while now.

    Mr.Pillai should come up with appropriate model of bramos missile or forget IN orders for its submarines, Indian Navy will not be changing its naval strategy for these modified PJ series in VL systems.
     
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    Brahmos is too big for tubes. I highly doubt if they can work on its dimensions & fit it in sub tubes. For time being they've only VL systems which is universal for Kilo/club/brahmos/pj series missiles.
     
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    so far Pillai has not delivered on the air launched version and now he is jumping to the
    sub launch version he wants everything to be a brahmos platform. A little diversification
    is better, Klubs are not bad and the K series (k-4 tested successfully) will be coming
    in the future tested in poontoons. Israel has POPEYE as their SLCM, Nirbhay is very
    similar to popeye maybe a SLCM version can be developed?
     
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    He does not even have any free live submarine platform available to test sub-launched variant. We been hearing these news like OP for more than a year now. This recent news only talks about submerged raft, that itself highlights interest of IN or Russia Navy to have brahmos on their submarines.

    IN wants to use its vertical launch systems only to counter ASW aircraft, if at all the co-ordinates submarine are compromised. Putting anti-ship or land-attack missile in VL blocks is entirely unacceptable for them. Mr.Pillai should move on.
     
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    He should have developed a brahmos VLS/TTL hybrid type tube and demonstrated Brahmos in that and
    sell both as a package. He is selling air launched brahmos without working on the weight and RCS issues
    he is doing sloppy presentations.
     
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    He has gone ahead & promised brahmos on IL38. Hope they get it before the aircraft goes out of service :lol:
     
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    Brahmos is indeed too big for tubes and a refit to the needed size would cause a loss of pressure. Torpedoes would not be able to eject with enough clearance for safe launch. It MUST be launched vertically. None of the subs purchased already could easily accept VLS and redesign for them is cost prohibitive. It would have to be reserved for new purchases.
     
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    BrahMos to Test Submarine-Launch Missile by Year-End

    The test will be a single demonstration firing from a submerged raft, he said. "When an operational carrier has been chosen, then further trials will continue," he said.
    "The missile had a range of 300 kilometers (180 miles), and will be vertically-launched by a gas generator in its launch container, which will eject the weapon by gas pressure, after which it will reach Mach two," he said.


    Russian daily Izvestia quoted defense industry sources as saying India has uprated its BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles by installing the advanced satellite navigation systems from Russia's Kh-555 and Kh-101 strategic long-range cruise missiles, adding GPS-GLONASS technology to the existing doppler-inertial platform.
     
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    Universal launcher is made by L&T for Brahmos missile, best part is that gas is sealed inside the tube and this is one launch tube, for next launch, entire set up is removed and new one can be added.

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    for submarine version i think it will have greater height, since gas booster will be added on brahmos.

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    If Bramhos is as good a weapon that it is causing an impact on the design of next gen Indian subs, then hats off to the team. They must have a hell of a lot of faith in the weapons system.
     
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    Good to see L&T's launchers.

    Don't know if it is indigenous or this was under ToT :notsure:
     

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