Boots, Bullets, Rifles: All In Short Supply For Army

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  1. Blackwater

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    NEW DELHI: The army is running low on ammunition, soldiers posted to freezing places like Siachen and Leh don't have boots or mosquito nets, and India has failed for over a decade to produce an assault rifle that meets the most basic requirements of the army.

    These are some of the troubling highlights revealed by Parliament's standing committee on Defence, headed by the BJP's Major General BC Khanduri. The panel has 33 members from both houses of Parliament.

    Based on information supplied by the Ministry of Defence, the committee has assessed the preparedness of the army in the winter session of Parliament which ends today.

    The committee, in a report submitted to Parliament, has found that soldiers in high-altitude areas are short of nearly 2 lakh pairs of ankle leather boots; more than 13 lakh canvas boots are needed in the same areas, one lakh mosquito nets are wanted, and soldiers are waiting for 65,000 Balaclavas or masks to keep their faces warm.

    The committee says the Defence Ministry has failed to furnish plausible information about how many soldiers have bullet-proof jackets; the members believe that "an important life saving device has not been purchased by the Ministry jeopardizing the lives of thousands of soldiers."

    The committee has voiced its concern over the fact that while the Defence Ministry seems satisfied that equipment like night vision goggles are plentiful, the army has "an altogether different view." The report offers this indictment - "it appears that the Ministry is not taking the Army into confidence while doing its perspective planning."

    The report warns clearly that the shortage of ammunition means "it would not be possible for the country to sustain a war for a longer period."

    The committee states that the Defence Research and Development Organization or DRDO, tasked with developing technology for the military, has failed since 1982 to produce an acceptable INSAS rifle, the standard weapon of the army .

    "The Committee finds it shocking that even years of expertise has not evolved DRDO to develop world class basic product like a rifle," its report says.
    :shocked::shocked::shocked::lol::lol::lol:

    Boots, Bullets, Rifles: All In Short Supply For Army
     
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  3. Blackwater

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    best time for pakis to do gazwa-a-hind

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  4. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    And shortage of officers and men.

    Uncle India NEEDS YOU!

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    or is it as sad as

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  5. Ky Loung

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    Yeah I find it funny too. You won't get much out of a big government agency like DRDO sucking on tax payers tits. They spend more time sucking on tits then doing work. The more they suck the less return for tax payers money.

    Break it apart and privatize it. Then force them to complete with other companies. They fail they go bankrupt.
     
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  6. Blackwater

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    i don't understand simple mathematics

    Billion $$$$$ budget of indian army and supplier from Switzerland and other Europe for supply of best quality stuff available then problem kithe ha
     
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    All Foreign Assault Rifle under trial failed under Indian conditions.

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    Source : Indian Army kicks off final carbine trials - IHS Jane's 360

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    so buy what pakis are using. afterall conditions are same there as well
     
  9. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    No thanks, We have better .. :)

    PS, Stop using large fronts, It hurt eyes ..

     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    There are many people in such standing committees, who make statements that have no relation with reality. This is not surprising, given that military men come up with unrealistic expectations, like the original requirements of the Arjun tank.

    There is no private company that can compete with DRDO. Every private company knows that if they invest in R&D like DRDO, they will go bankrupt.

    There is always a loss of revenue in R&D. Failure is part of research. Success is built on failures as well.
     
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    Information casualy obtained can twisted and turned many ways. Our journalists pride themselves with this stupidity.

    All stores of previous equipment over a period of time are emptied as requirement materializes. Fresh indent to suppliers are sent for resupply as the former ones are being sent out. This is the, first in- first out, concept in stores management everywhere but our great journalists and keyboard warriors twisted it into, make it look like abnormal phenomenon.
     
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    Mera to written he clear nahi hua ,Sir Ray.
     
  13. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is sad.

    Try again.
     
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    I will ,8th Feb 2015 last time.
     
  15. Ky Loung

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    India economy will stagnate without privatization. China became an economic power due to privatization. There is no reason India and other countries can't do it.

    In regard to military, if India want first class military weapons it needs to disband DRDO and start the painful process of privatization. The result will be better equipments for the Indian military at a cheaper price. It will provide large amount of work of retire military personnel as well as non military citizens. It a win win for India.

    In the US with a few exception our military complex is 100% privatize. R&D tax payer money is given to private companies to do R&D. For example Lockheed Martin figure out it was possible to do a Stealth plan with the current technology. They show it to the military and immediately got classified as top secret and R&D tax payer money given to Lockheed Martin to make it possible.
     
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    Ok, let's step away from guns, bullets, and tanks.

    What about skiis? What about army knives? What about military fatigues? What about optics? Why aren't private companies coming up with products and offering them to the military? Even the high altitude high yield crops have to be developed by DRDO. Name one private company that has achieved half of that?

    You are trying to project the US example onto India.

    We can speculate what will happen if DRDO is disbanded. I just don't see much of anything happening anytime soon.

    Let private companies develop products and we can encourage them, but we need to keep our hands off DRDO. DRDO may only be privatized after one private company proves its mettle that it can match DRDO's expertise in at least a subset of fields.
     
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    Let me tell you three reasons why Private Companies don't do it:

    A. The average incubation period before a defence contractor (doing something valuable) starts generating good profit is around 10 years (worldwide). A private company needs to remain afloat eating up it's own resource for that duration. No VC or incubation fund is available to keep the start-ups afloat for such long duration, not in India.

    B. The oldies like Reliance, TATA don't give a damn about R&D and IP creation, these companies are traders. Most of the large defence contractors further subcontract to smaller companies at almost zero margin and keep the profit for themselves. Even organizations like DRDO break-up and subcontract their projects, but many of these projects go nowhere because of the shoestring budget. Because of budgetary constraints the real developers fail to hire good people for the job, while the overpaid people in the chain make absolutely zero contribution.

    C. It is almost impossible for smaller companies to reach the decision makers directly. Artificial entry barriers have been erected because this situation is profitable for politicians, officials and large industrialists.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The concept of governance in our democracy is way different from the US concept of democracy, where the individual is on a free wheeling trip and little concern there is for social justice and equality. It is good in a way for it encourages individualism and the self being the sole engine of his future and well being.

    That is not the ethos of Indian democracy. India, having emerged from colonialism where the fruits of the nation was funnelled for British interest, the Indians were never allowed to grow or share the fruit in a constructive way. And during the Colonial times, the British had ingrained the "Mai Baap" culture, namely, the British were the Provider and the Sole Authority to look up to for everything and the Indian were the beneficiary of the crumbs thrown their way.

    Thus, on gaining Independence, the wealth, whatever India inherited, was with the Govt and not the Individual.

    In that inherited culture, India gained Independence.

    The wealth that India inherited was with the Govt. Hence, the Govt became the 'Mai Baap'. There was very little scope for capitalist form of economy, Hence, the sole option was a mixed economy with the major share to put up the building blocks of the Nation was with the Govt.

    Thus, all major endeavours in building infrastructure, development, research, cash intensive development were all undertaken by the Govt, as the private entrepreneurs did not have the capital to undertake such cash intensive projects.

    DRDO is one such institution that the Govt perforce had to undertake. DRDO has built up expertise and are capable of delivery if only they shake themselves off from the typical Govt bureaucratic approach and is made accountable, and hired and fired as per performance. Disbanding DRDO and laving it sole with the private industry would be counterproductive. The answer is joint ventures with the Govt being the major funder to engine the industry. Also, if the private industry can obtain foreign partners with proven track record, they would also be able to feed the defence requirements. That is why the FDI in Defence has been hiked to a very satisfactory level.

    Thus, the sum total would be that with the DRDO revamped, the private industry in collaboration with foreign partners would be a win win in all ways, economic as also employment. It is when such a situation comes to be, will the Govt give money to the Private industry for R&D.

    In fact, the recommendation is that once the private industry matures and is established, DRDO would become something like DARPA (Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency).
     
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    The need is for government to exit manufacturing. R&D, education etc. are appropriate for government sector.

    OFB must be corporatized first, and private sector needs to be given several projects. Even some R&D projects should be given to private sector. However it is necessary that government funds R&D projects given to private sector.

    Nobody will do things for free.
     
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    still OBF is not incorporated no wonder there is no one to bother about there ! heck with the babus !
     

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