Blitzkrieg of the 21st century: Russia´s hybrid warfare

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I guess it is a cultural thing. Here in the quiet north people have always had time to think and see beyond the obvious. I know that in a country with 1.25bn people that is luxury not many can afford.


See, if you could have raised yourself beyond thinking to learning and then doing, you would not have been so terribly ignorant. Every post you make stinks of being spoonfed by the western propaganda w/o any room for learning of the possible alternative. Even, the post you made about India and Pakistan is so lame that I would suggest you start learning, and avoid thinking till you learn something.
 

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Not much has changed. Also note that 2014 election had the lowest turnout ever in Ukrainian history. With places like Odessa have 39% turnout.
So you can bet good money, the pro-Russia sentiments are just sleeping, ready to surface later.



Fact is Ukraine is two nations put together into one.
What is happening now is one part of the nation (West ukr) is trying to make the other part obey its orders. Might lead to split.
Even the opposition bloc is not pro-russia, just wanting peace and restoring order. I would say that Ukraine is now more united than ever and is forever lost for Russia. The war unified the country. Of course new Ukraine must have equal rights for all its citizens regardless of the language they speak.
Opposition Bloc Resolution - Opposition bloc
 

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Even the opposition bloc is not pro-russia, just wanting peace and restoring order. I would say that Ukraine is now more united than ever and is forever lost for Russia. The war unified the country. Of course new Ukraine must have equal rights for all its citizens regardless of the language they speak.
You try to be an oracle but you are NOT.
Ukraine will be merged with Russia in 3-4 years. Ukraine people will support it once Nazis are killed.
 

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Under duress you show your true self. Elections in Ukraine were free, also according Russians.
How do you define free??
I think he means "free from opposition."

Just like Saakashvili either intimidated put his opponents in jail, Poroshenko disqualified many opposition politicians for participating in elections. Even he himself was elected after some of his opponents were assaulted and threatened.

The general idea is, only those that agree with the "boss" will get to vote. It is a pattern borrowed from the Fascist Baltic republic where a big chunk of the population is disenfranchised, due to their ethnicity or political beliefs.
 

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I think he means "free from opposition."

Just like Saakashvili either intimidated put his opponents in jail, Poroshenko disqualified many opposition politicians for participating in elections. Even he himself was elected after some of his opponents were assaulted and threatened.

The general idea is, only those that agree with the "boss" will get to vote. It is a pattern borrowed from the Fascist Baltic republic where a big chunk of the population is disenfranchised, due to their ethnicity or political beliefs.
So why isn't Russia actively defending those Baltic Russians or why aren't they begging for help. Vlad must be afraid of those huge NATO forces in the Baltics.
 

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So why isn't Russia actively defending those Baltic Russians or why aren't they begging for help. Vlad must be afraid of those huge NATO forces in the Baltics.
Yes, NATO spreads like a plague.

Reminds me of, not Hitler, but "Hotel California."
 

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Your imaginary allusion to Hitler will not work here.. Don't forget its a Indo based forums and we don't have that negative view about Hitler.

As regards to Putin I see him as a man of conviction who restored pride of his country. In west a drunkard type Yeltsin would suit their agenda too bad for them :)
It would be interesting to know what kind of view you have about Hitler?
 

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So why isn't Russia actively defending those Baltic Russians or why aren't they begging for help. Vlad must be afraid of those huge NATO forces in the Baltics.
Interesting you bring Baltics. Proves my point that USA is using Baltics for sabotage in Russia.
 

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It would be interesting to know what kind of view you have about Hitler?
No. India is against Nazism. The Indian political consensus is against Nazism.

India will never support any feeling of racial superiority anywhere on the planet.
 

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It would be interesting to know what kind of view you have about Hitler?
For me he's not better than Churchill. A racist bigot who would have kicked our @$$es back in 1940s like our colonial masters.

Not to forget he said what India is to Britain, Russia would be the same for Germany.

What about your views about Finnish collaboration with Nazis. Please enlighten us was it collaboration?
 

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For me he's not better than Churchill. A racist bigot who would have kicked our @$$es back in 1940s like our colonial masters.

Not to forget he said what India is to Britain, Russia would be the same for Germany.

What about your views about Finnish collaboration with Nazis. Please enlighten us was it collaboration?
About Finnish collaboration. After Winter war ( where Hitler was at Russian side ) Finns knew that Winter war was only the opening act. Everybody knew, that either Stalin starts the offensive again in the summer '41 or something else happens. That something else happened: Hitler told Molotov that Germany would not allow Stalin to start the war again. Then when Germany started to prepare for the ´41 attack to Russia, Germans told secretly to Finnish government that a change to get lost lands back from Russia could come. Then Finns joined the war as a co-belligerent with Germany.

Today Finlands collaboration is seen in Finland with overwhelming positive views. The wars against SU basically formed Finnish identity: a small country can survive against superior enemy and develop to one of the best countries in the world. Collaboration with Germans were only military, in Finland were not national socialist supports ( some form existed in the thirties, but it never grew in popularity) . Also Germans kept politics out of the co-operation, with some exemptions: Himmler made a visit to Finland and met with Finnish PM Ragnell. He wanted Finns to hand jews to Germans. PM refused stating: "we have no jewish problem". After the war a lot of searching was done, and in fact Finns handed to Germany 8 jews. Those were refugees from central Europe and the decision was made by a local official in charge of refugees, not by government.

I live in Lapland and here were 200 000 Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS men, a whole thread could be made to talk about the incompetence of them in the Finnish terrain and climate, but that is another matter. Germans brought with them their military hospitals, bakeries, cinemas etc. which also locals could use. Even today locals remember those times warmly. So our collaboration with Nazis was a huge success in all levels. Without Hitler Finland would not be independent today, and Finns know and remember that always.


Hotel Pallas in Lapland which served as a holiday and recreational place for Lapland Army


Local Laplander with guests from central Europe


Memorial and cemetary of the fallen German soldiers in Lapland ( Rovaniemi )


From inside the memorial


Rovaniemi after retreating Germans burned it


Same street today


Our reindeer laugh at the stupidity of the humans.
 
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@jouni, you opened the thread. Did you write the title as well? I don't see it in that link that leads me to that propaganda site operated by the criminal Khodorkovsky's son.
 
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@jouni, You have happy memories of Germans as they did not come to kill you. Other people may not have such happy memories.

Ideas of racial superiority always bring violence. Even within same religion, such ideas have caused grave conflicts.
 
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@jouni, you opened the thread. Did you write the title as well? I don't see it in that link that leads me to that propaganda site operated by the criminal Khodorkovsky's son.
What? I see the title ok
 
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@jouni, You have happy memories of Germans as they did not come to kill you. Other people may not have such happy memories.

Ideas of racial superiority always bring violence. Even within same religion, such ideas have caused grave conflicts.
Yes and it is not our fault what they did in other countries. How would you call what Russia is doing now? It is pretty close with all the talk about "Russian world", "the right to protect Russians in other countries".
 
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What? I see the title ok
I see:
The Menace of Unreality:
How the Kremlin Weaponizes Information,
Culture and Money


I do not see:
Blitzkrieg of the 21st century: Russia´s hybrid warfare
 

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Yes and it is not our fault what they did in other countries. How would you call what Russia is doing now? It is pretty close with all the talk about "Russian world", "the right to protect Russians in other countries".
Russian world is a fairly loose term. It does not mean much.
The current conflict in Ukraine is NOT about Russian World. I refuse to believe Russia is involved in this to save Ukrainian Russian speaking people.
It is hardcore security problem for the State.
 

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Today Finlands collaboration is seen in Finland with overwhelming positive views.
So it all sums up your support for Azov battalion and the neo nazis in Ukraine.

Guys we have a neo nazis sympathiser among us and I rest my case :)
 

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