BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nominated

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    Ambala: After coming to power Prime Minister Narendra Modi vowed to ensure that there is no dynatsy politics or nepotism within the Bharatiya Janata Party or his ministries. However, the forth coming Assembly elections in Haryana are bringing out a different picture altogether. It has also brought to the fore the BJP's double talk on nepotism.

    Senior BJP leader and External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj seems to have gone against the party's stand and the ticket for Safidon constituency has been given to her sister Vandana Sharma.
    While PM Modi goes on lashing at Congress President Sonia Gandhi for her son-in-law Robert Vadra's land deals in Haryana and promoting dynasty politics, the BJP says Vandana Sharma is not from Sushma Swaraj's family as she is now maried into a different family.

    When questioned about the party different stands on the family links of Priyanka Vadra and Vandana Sharms, Ambala BJP MLA Anil Viz said, "At least appreciate something about the BJP. Don't take everything negatively. While we have refused tickets to the relatives of many party leaders, Sushma's sister Vandana Sharma now happens to be from a different family as she is a married woman. So, this is not nepotism."

    "As far as Priyanka is concerned, she herself potrays herself as the one who will take forward the legacy of the Congress," he said even as he struggled to justify the difference between the two cases.
    When asked about the procedure of selecting the candidates, Viz said that it was a fair process adding, "There are secret ballots for local workers in the party, the results of which go to party seniors for their views. The Central Election Committee also takes feedback from its sources on the short-listed candidates and then a final decision is taken. No favourtism is followed in this procedure."

    When questioned on the same, Karnal BJP MP Ashwini Kumar Chopra chose to remain silent and spoke just two words "No comments".

    BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister gets ticket for Haryana elections - IBNLive
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    I would like to opine otherwise regarding Dynasty Raj.

    Following one's parents' or family's profession/career should not be a taboo.

    There are many who follow their parents' profession/career. There are many military officers sons and daughters who not only join the military but also serve in the same Regiment/ unit. There are families of doctors and lawyers. Would that be forming a 'Dynasty'?

    Two of my COs sons joined my unit; one rose to be a CO. Would that be a 'Dynasty Raj'.

    What, to my opinion, would be a 'Dynasty Raj' is if one does not go through from the shop floor (or grassroot level) to rise to the top, and instead is propped up as the 'Boss', just because of birth or parents' position superseding others unfairly would be 'Dynasty Raj'.

    Take the case of Lal Bahadur Shastri, a revered PM, and his son. The son is still growing through the paces and has not reached the pinnacle.

    On the other hand, take the case of Rahul Gandhi or even Rajiv Gandhi. They were propped up as the Boss because of their family connection. Indira Gandhi died, but did that mean that Rajiv take over? He was not even a politician. He was a pilot. He was a reluctant politician.

    Or even Sonia Gandhi. What does Sonia Gandhi know of India. Even her contrived accented Hindi jars and takes time to understand what the dickens she is saying.

    Now, if Dynastic privileges were the criteria and Rahul Gandhi became the PM, imagine what would be our state? Such a dumb chap to lead us and into a confused oblivion, at best.

    But if Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi had worked their way up the chain, they would be better equipped to lead the nation since they would understand the woes and travails of India.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    Agree with @Ray sir.
     
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    it's ok! As long as party is not controlled by dynasty like other parties!
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    Are you expecting a POLITICAL party to stand at its words? BJP is same as that of congress except its tagline of hindutva
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    @Ray sir you are confusing meritocracy with nepotism.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    @Ray, not to forget civil nuclear deal, highest growth rate, sarv siksha abhiyan , food security etc. In UPA regime.
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    lets look at what modi did- took a decision to close down school having less than 20 students, and 13000 school from maharashtra will close down, lets assume each school have 10 students, 130000 students from maharastra! WHERE IS RIGHT FOR EDUCATION
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    took a decision to take out subsidy of medicines of cancer and diabetes making it t unaccesable to poor, where per year 1million patients are affected by cancer and there is a subsidy on diesel.....
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    Swaraj will always remain an exception in new order of things with BJP. She made her way into BJP not because BJP wouldn't have done without her but Adwani's head was enough for the day or it would have been an overkill/massacre of Adwani's legacy and the investments he still have withing the party.

    It is such a pain these days with Indian media that they are not getting into top dog mode but are happy being functionally naive and raising ordinary questions for ordinary readership.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    There is nothing called objectivity in real life.

    It is all subjectivity including meritocracy, since humans judge merit or other qualities.

    One is entitled to enter any profession or career of his or her own choosing, but to be the head honcho, one has to earn his spurs, as they say.

    Nepotism would be if a donkey is anointed as the top enchilada without earning his spurs.

    In politics, the voter is King. That is why a capable chap like Sachin Pilot lost the election.

    Would one call his being in politics a Dynastic building? His father is dead and cannot influence, and neither was his father the boss.

    He may have got into politics because of his father's influence and popularity in Rajasthan, but then he has proved himself to be able to hold his own and not latch on to coat strings of his father.

    Should Sachin Pilot be denied his place in politics just because he is the son of this father and term it as Dynasty Raj?

    I don't think so.

    Well, that is my view.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    What has come out of the civil nuclear deal apart from the waste of paper that the Agreement written on?

    High growth rate came because of the foundation laid to take off from.

    Food security? Really? The entitlements of below poverty line families has come down from 35 kg of food grains per family to 25 kg per average family of five.

    Due to this 10 kg reduction, every family below the poverty line would be compelled to buy this quantity from the open market and under such inflationary pressures, such families would have to shell out an additional Rs 100, which would translate into an annual financial burden of Rs 1,000 per per family.

    The entitlement of 5 kg of grain per month per person does not assure an individual of having two meals a day.

    An adult person needs 2,500 calories per day as per National Institute of Nutrition (NIN) recommendations, but the scheme proposes to give 165 grams per person per day, which would provide only 350 calories, which is hardly 20 per cent of his daily calorie requirements.

    Are you aware how uncostproductive is a school to run with less than 20 children? And do let us know the number of teachers who taught them and who ran truant?

    I am not aware of medicine subsidy being removed. If it has been done, then that is most unfortunate.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    Oh go ahead and overlook "parivaarvad" of the Bhushans in crAAP.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    @Ray sir,

    In professional fields merit counts, usually idiots don't rise.

    In BJP - Virbhadra's son, SS Verma's son, ML Khurana's son, Sinha's son, RP Singh's son, Shivraj's son, Swaraj's sister, Jaswant's son etc etc have all made it through because of their family. Whether they are deserving or not, is not the moot point.

    BJP adopts a holier than thou attitude to dynasty and nepotism and its impertive to point out the irony and their own shortcomings.


    @tarunraju your diatribes are getting more and more juvenile. AAP being a young party has already employed enough checks and balances to reduce "dynastism" and "nepotism". Its far more easier for a "startup" to engineer radical change. Comparing an established behemoth like BJP with a two state wonder like AAP would only hurt your rants.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    Politics is no longer a call for social service. It is a profession and the perks are plenty including after losing the election, having once been an MP or MLA.

    If idiots don't rise, (I would prefer to use the word 'incompetent'). then how come Rahul Gandhi is a No 2, when there are many who are more merit worthy? May I take the liberty to state that what you state is an oxymoron?

    I concede that Virbhadra's son, SS Verma's son, ML Khurana's son, Sinha's son, RP Singh's son, Shivraj's son, Swaraj's sister, Jaswant's son etc etc have all made it through because of their family. But only in getting a ticket.

    However, they have made it to the Parliament or Assembly not because of their father, but because the VOTERS found them fit, rightly or wrongly, but that is something (the voters' choice) we cannot contest.

    Now, logically speaking without letting bias and emotions running our rationale, if the same chaps having won or even lost were kicked upstairs into positions of power or even the top position by the dint of their dynastic aura, and not through hands on climbing the ladder on sheer merit, now that I would concede would be nepotism and called a Dynastic Raj. In other words, the top leadership slots being usurped as if it was a family private company.

    But can we grudge a man who joins politics, and then climbs on one's own steam, even if there is a slight advantage of being a political father's son or daughter, given the fact that it is the accepted par for the course for all political parties? If the situation was ideal, then would not the party workers object to such 'nepotism'? And if, Indian political workers are spineless, then that, though regrettable, is how the Ganges flows - and as is the Indian psyche goes, all do Behti Ganga men hath dhona!
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    There is no doubt that BJP is having a dynasty problem. But the percentage of its leaders coming from dynasties is far less compared to others. In future it will remain so due to RSS.

    In BJP, the top posts will never be reserved for members of a particular family.

    A B Vajpayee, Narendra Modi, L K Advani, M M Joshi - No one from their family is in any position of BJP.

    Modi in his ministry refused to induct son/daughter of any of their leaders. I was expecting Anurag Thakur to be in his cabinet. But even he did not find a place.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    @Ray sir

    The moot point is BJP claims they are against nepotism and dynastic politics, then why are they treating politics as a family business ?

    Why are close relatives rising ? Isn't this entitlement ? Won't this give rise to incompetent politicians ?

    How is this setting apart BJP and Congress?

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    Again the second point you made is this : You are arguing that having a politician family is only advantageous to getting a ticket, winning depends on clicking with the voter. Fine if you are oblivious to reality.

    You are sidestepping a whole host of issues on why belonging to a political family is almost a requirement to rise in politics.

    PS: A common BJP leader needs to raise ~5 crores just to get a Municipality ticket and endorsements of seniors.
     
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    So the top leader will never be entitled, middle rung will be compromised of entitled leaders. And that's why BJP is not a dynastic party nor believes in nepotism. FAIL.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    BJP can claim anything. It is a political party composed of Indians with their foibles. just like the other parties.

    The claims are relative. Some political parties do it shamelessly and some do it in a more calibrated way.

    And Money?

    As an entrepreneur would would know that money plays a role in India for everything.

    Even AAP is no washed in Ganges water.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    So you are okay with doublespeak, however, when someone points out the obvious, the answer is that its par for the course ?

    And then we say India is the Guru of the world and we will be a superpower.

    I am not claiming that. But you are okay with someone who claims to be "washed in Ganges" yet has never been near the "Ganges" because everyone does it.
     
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    Re: BJP silent on nepotism, dynasty politics as Swaraj's sister nomina

    How many of the current 282 (Lok Sabha) MPs of BJP comes from dynasties compared to that of Congress?

    All the 5 MPs of SP are from the same family. Can you give an example of the same from BJP?

    The CM of Maharashtra and Haryana (if BJP able to form a government) will come from a dynasty?

    If you want I can give you state wise MP/MLA info of BJP which will prove that the percentage of MP/MLA from dynasties will not be more than 5-10%.

    That is why I said BJP is having a problem of dynasty of late but it still a fraction of its entire leadership both at state and center.

    A common BJP leader need to raise 5 crore for a municipality ticket? Are you serious?

    I guess India does not consist of only 6 metros and 20-25 big cities.
     
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    This is epic. :pound:

    What is doublespeak of a particular party has got to do with superpower status of a county?

    USA leaders and political parties do not indulge in doublespeak?
     

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