BJP has no Muslims candidates for Gujarat elections

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    Sadbhavana bonhomie didn’t translate into tickets. File

    Syed Khalique Ahmed
    For all Narendra Modi’s efforts at building bridges with Muslims, the BJP has not fielded any candidate from the community in the Gujarat elections. The decision was apparently driven by the theory that doing so couldhave meant gifting victory to the party’s new rival, Keshubhai Patel’s GPP.
    The GPP has not fielded a Muslim either. It has announced candidates for only the first phase and been noncommittal about the second. “The party would like to field a few Muslims and is looking for suitable candidates,” general secretary Gordhan Zadaphia said.
    Having kept Muslims out of its first list, the BJP announced the second on Wednesday, with onlyfive seats remaining. State BJP spokesperson Vijay Rupani sought to explain the omission of Muslims, saying, “The BJP doesnot believe in the politics of appeasement. Besides, 75 per cent of the sitting MLAs have been fielded again, and nominations for the remaining seats were given to workers associated with the party for a long time. No Muslim candidate could be accommodated.”
    “It was expected. It is not possible to give a ticket to a Muslim unless the BJP is willing to lose that seat,” says J S Bandukwala, a rights activist based in Vadodara. “If Modi gives tickets to Muslims, it meansdriving hardcore VHP and RSS supporters away to the GPP. The way he treated Muslims in 2002 is the key to his appeal.”
    Modi’s Sadbhavana fasts last yearhad created the impression that this building of bridges would eventually translate into BJP tickets for Muslims. Muslim leaderSyed Shahabuddin had in fact written an open letter to Modi a few days ago, acknowledging “some signs of change” in his attitude towards Muslims and pleading for 20 tickets for Muslims.
    Mahebubali Baba, president of the Gujarat BJP’s minority cell, had been hoping to get a ticket, for Surat. Now, he said, “The BJP parliamentary board had decided to give four or five tickets to Muslims. But the state party, at the last moment I believe, decided not to field Muslims because of the fear that BJP votes would get transferred to the GPP.”
    And former minority cell president Sajjad Hira said: “Sadbhavana was not merely about election tickets. Under the circumstances, where there is a neck-and-neck fight, no party would like to lose even a single seat.”
    The BJP did field Muslims in municipal and panchayat elections. “This was because the party felt they could win those elections,” Hira said.
    The Congress has fielded Muslims in three first-phase seats — Vagra in Bharuch, Wankaner in Surendranagar and Surat East. It has also nominated a Muslim to Bhuj in the second phase, the list for which is not yet complete.
    It is parties with little or no presence in Gujarat that have fielded a high number of Muslims. The Samajwadi Party’s 53 candidates so far, covering both phases, include 17 Muslims.It is making its Gujarat debut. The BSP was here last time, managing 2.9 per cent of the votes, and has now fielded eight Muslim candidates in its first list, with state party vice-president Ishwarbhai Solanki promising more in the second list in a day or two.
    The JD(U), the BJP’s ally in Bihar but on its own in Gujarat, has fielded a Muslim, Altaf Patel, from Vagra, a constituency where the community accounts for more than half the voters. The party has 53 candidates in the first phase and Chandra Raj Singhvi, its in-charge for Gujarat, said there would be Muslims in the second phase too.
    Ramvilas Paswan’s LJP has fielded 12 Muslims in the first phase, with state president Mukesh Gurjar promising more in the second.
    At least three Muslims have filed nominations as Independent candidates for the first phase.
    MUSLIMS IN POLLS, 2012
    17 Samajwadi Party
    12 LJP
    8 BSP
    4 Congress
    1 JD(U)
    3 Independents
    Samajwadi Party list covers both phases with more names to come; Congress’s Muslim candidates include one for second phase
    9% Representation in population
    15 Muslim MLAs in 1985, highest ever
    Babubhai Supariwala: First Muslim minister, held civil supplies from 1985 to 1989 under CM Amarsinh Chaudhary
    Sirajuddin Kazi: Civil supplies minister in 1994-95 under Chhabildas Mehta
    Farooq Sheikh: Longest serving Muslim MLA, since 1998


    No room for Muslims in BJP line-up - Indian Express
     
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    Modi must have done more for Muslims in Gujarat than what Owaisis (the veritable, believeing, Sunni Muslims) must have done for the Muslims in Hyderabad.
     
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    You must be too much disappointed or too much happy....:rofl: I don't think there's an actual room for muslims right now as there's a lot of demographical changes caused this. I was expecting 1-2 seats in muslim dominated area but all got devided and that's why there's no possibility to fill up anybody. Well, no matter as Keshubapa is nobody outside saurashtra.
     
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Giving the representation to any specific community won't do anything good. That's a truth but people are hungry for power.
     
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    I always know bjp's muslim leader are show pice and burden for the party and has no acceptance in their community.
    So i am not surprised.
    Read the article it says vagra seat is muslim dominated.
    So it is not the issue of demographics also.
     
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    When 6 million people does not have any representation in govt.
    When people thinks its ok if 6 million people has no representation.
    It says that minority are not so desired,trusted in state.
     
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    No ones talking about Congress...4 is such a big number!!

    9% of 182 seats translates to atleast 16 seats for the sickular party.
     
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    This will send a strong message to RW Hindus across the country that Modi does not needlessly pamper minorities. It's quite flawed thinking by certain Muslims that only Muslims can adequately represent them.
     
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    propotianate representation never happens its unrealistic demand.
    Muslims are not dalit that they should expect represention according to their propotion to their local population.
    But it should not be 0% like in gujarat.
    4 is better than 0.
    Congress still take risk of losing in 2 seats where muslim are less than 50% and are early 40% in a two way fight it can creat religious polarization in favour of bjp.
    If congress does not give nomination 4 muslim candidate.
    The small 9% muslim of gujarat won't be able to do anything in two way election.
    Bjp in gujarat still not ready or wish to make muslim as a part of government party in assembly.
    Muslim has no option other than congress.
    Congress know that fact.
    So of course congress is not saint either.
    They also can't think of taking risk not more than two seats

    Gujarati society is deeply divided over religion.
    They see religion of a candidate.
    In 75% hindu majority consituency in gujarat a muslim mla is not possible.
    So 16 muslim mla nomination is not possible in factory of hinduvta
     
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    Modi wants to keep his hardcore rw vote.
    But you can do it gujarat but you can't do it in other part of india.
    The thinking
    9% people of community should not have a single mla from that community in 182 seats is something flawed.

    In my area murshidabad(66% muslim) 2 out of 3 mp are hindu by defeating muslim candidate also.
    A muslim can also become mp in west bengal where muslim are 30% by defeating a hindu candidate(the hindu candidate also get 13-14 %out of 30% muslim vote).
    people don't vote on communal line.
    So in my state many hindu candidates can represent muslim majority area.
    Because our mla,mp does not see their hindu-muslim voter in different eye.
    There has very few sikh in my state still we proudly have a sikh mla.
    Chirstian are not 10% in any consituency but we elect 2 chirstian mla by popular vote.


    But in gujarat religious affilation means everything.
    You can't expect win of a minority candidate where majority community is even 65% hardly any majority community people will vote for a minority candidate.
    Not even a single seat out of 175 seat where majority community is 65% should not be represented by a mla from minority community that is the thinking in gujarati people.
    Hindu or muslim identity is the last thing in hinduvta factory.
    In such deeply religiously divided socitey like gujarat the situation is different.
    And their mla,mp is not like ours.
    A moderate hindu mla can represent muslim majority consituency but it will be hard to belive a hardcore hinduvta party's majority community candidate will have any desire to represent muslim community also.
     
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    Muslims want representation in govt? Let them vote fior BJP. But why BJP must have muslim candidates, who behave more like muslims than Gujaratis?
     
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    Well its evident 2002 still occupies a prime place in Gujarat BJP's poll strategy. Inclusion of a Muslim candidate will sow seeds of doubts in the minds of the core votebank. The right wing image carries more weight than an inclusive candidate list.
     
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    To appease everyone and convince that he is not racist NAmo should perhaps convert..

    Which is obviously not going to happen :)


    Come on sickularist you can do better than that they cannot target him on his work now they want to corner him on this insignificant issue. @ the writer get a life
     
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    Just one observation .If you think that there is no-correlation between a Party being Hardcore-Hindutva , its representing a Muslim community and SECULARISM then your definition of secularism ( for which I understand that anyone can represent anyone ) is FLAWED in itself. Territory, and traditions CONSTITUTE the Indian State. They came with the box.

    Secularism does not depend on decline of scope of religion in everyday life. If that were the case, then abolition of religion would be its central task. Hindu, Muslim, or Christian individuals derive strength, confidence, pride, tide over depression, anxiety, using their respective faiths. There is nothing in it that puts it at odds with secularism. Religious nationalism is nothing but nationalism that calls upon traditional strengths native to the land. You call it Hindu nationalism, but it has never asked for privileged treatment of Hindus.

    (Being Atheist does not mean being Anti-Theist, Many here regard that Being Anti-Theist and Being Atheist are equal-equal.Atheist can follow their own dimension of living regardless of Theistic person.Even an Atheist is Anti-Secular person if he thinks that he should become Anti-Theist. )

    What does not work is the state offering concrete benefits to groups based solely on adhoc communal considerations. This and only this will kill our secular state.
     
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    Shuridh bhai, taali ek haath se bajti hai kya ? I do believe Muslims are also to blame for the atmosphere in Gujarat.
     
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Do you want mutiny at vagra seat ?? When you've people who've worked for party for 30 years and you don't give them any ticket then you're risking that seat. BJP has put some muslim candidates in Local Body poll here and many from them won,too. There's always a clear math.
     
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So, howmuch progress your community made under Congress' rule which is known as Massiha of muslims ?? Be real, Indian politics isn't a democratic, it's a virtual Kingdom. Nobody cares about any specific community.
     
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    Hahaha. Wrong pic by Indian Express. Those two gentlemen are from the Bohra community which is never known to indulge in politics.

    Anyways, it's horses for courses. You cannot field candidate just for the heck of it and showing others that se face your community representation. What is important is what the elected reps do for all communities in regardless of their own affiliations.

    Te US does not have such divides but still see how after any elections, all parties concerned work for common goal of lreorexting their national interests and keeping their ore-eminence in the world
     
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You should come here and see what your fellow brothers are doing. What do you think why RW hindus exist ?? And I see majority of India feels the same way what we feel. Whole India isn't Bengal. And again what did your leaders do for you people ?? Nothing. Every muslim doesn't think like you, you people can seperate religion or can do something not religious but not all. 90% of muslims put religion 1st in everything.
What matters is progress irrespective of religion and that's what happening here.

When your Bengal match to Gujarat in everything with enough muslim representatives, then talk. Now I don't want to turn this thread to hindu-muslim, Rightist-Leftist, Bengal-Gujarat. So, let's finish this here.
     
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    Sir, even if there WAS a candidate he would have been called a puppet and the vote would be polarised.
     

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