Bill seeks to reserve seats for Gilgit, PoK residents

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Should the Bill seeking to reserve 5 seats for Gilgit and POK be passed in the parliament?

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  1. lcafanboy

    lcafanboy Regular Member

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    Bill seeks to reserve seats for Gilgit, PoK residents[​IMG]
    BY: EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE | NEW DELHI |Updated: March 6, 2017 4:11 Am
    In a bid to give momentum to the demand for creating political space for the people of Gilgit-Baltistan in legislative institutions, a BJP MP has moved a Bill seeking to reserve seats in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha for the people of Gilgit and Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

    The Bill moved by BJP MP Nishikant Dubey has been listed to be introduced in the second part of Budget Session beginning March 9. The Bill seeks to reserve five seats in the Lok Sabha and one in the Rajya Sabha for the residents of Gilgit and PoK.

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    “When we say Kashmir is an integral part of India and Gilgit and PoK are part of Kashmir, there need to be members representing these regions in Parliament too,” Dubey told The Indian Express.

    “It is surprising that Parliament does not take into account this territory while the state Assembly has 24 seats reserved for them in Jammu and Kashmir,” Dubey, MP from Godda, Jharkhand, said.

    He said he had tried to bring in the Bill as a private members Bill in 2013, 2014 and 2015, but it did not get the approval of the committee on private members Bill. “Now it has been approved and it is listed for the upcoming session. I will be able to introduce it in the Lok Sabha,” he said.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/bill-seeks-to-reserve-seats-for-gilgit-pok-residents-4556159/
     
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  3. lcafanboy

    lcafanboy Regular Member

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    This is a big news.

    If the bill gets passed by the parliament, it will be the biggest geo political strategic push by India and an assertion that POK belongs to India and we are determined to get back.

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    Project Dharma Senior Member Senior Member

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    Let's see what kind of people it brings into the fold as representatives if passed. Indian patriots or double headed snakes like the Abdullahs...
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    I think this is a master stroke by the Modi government as POK is legally a part of India and those in Gilgit region are already fedup of the mess Pakistan and China are creating in their state.

    Additionally, the more POK people are here, the lesser will be the impact of local separatists in the parliament.
     
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    Mikesingh Senior Member Senior Member

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    You think the Porkis would allow reps from GB and POK to attend parliament in India? Not a chance! This is just a symbolic gesture to remind Pak and the world that the whole of J&K belongs to India.

    Also this would get China into a tizzy. But the question is will the bill be ever passed?

    However, the Legislative Assembly of J&K composed of 111 seats as per the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir (Twentieth Amendment) Act of 1988, has 24 seats designated for the territorial constituencies of the state that were occupied by Pakistan in 1947, ie, POK and GB.
     
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    dhananjay1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    :lol: Indian nationalists become happy for token gestures.
     
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    Something is better than nothing.
     
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    Bornubus Dogra Rule 1846-1949 Senior Member

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    Considering the trust of Indian kashmiris on Indian democratic system (7% Voter turnout) at present. The trust of POK kashmiris should be 0 - 1 %
     
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    Bornubus Dogra Rule 1846-1949 Senior Member

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    So how many POK people applied for Indian citizenship like people from Sindh and other parts of Pak.


    Let alone from POK how many POK natives and political and Human right activists living abroad have announce their allegiance to India ?



    Last time they have a massive protest in POK have you notice any pro Indian slogans, Indian flag like we commonly see in our part of Kashmir with a massive crowd.
     
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  11. lcafanboy

    lcafanboy Regular Member

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    It is to be noted that 14th August or Pakistani Independence day is not celebrated in GB and it is observed as a black day and people there tie black bands around their arms. So it could be other way round.
     
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    Bornubus Dogra Rule 1846-1949 Senior Member

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    Maybe but how many of those observing black day celebrate Indian independence day, sing Indian National anthem like we have seen recently in Indian Kashmir.



    If you have any info kindly share with this forum.


    Also, how did they observe black day 2016 in POK, what was strength of the crowd. Did they chanted anti Pak slogans ?
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    This is a first step buddy.

    One step at a time.

    There was a huge procession in POK where there were people praising the rights of kashmiris here in India compared to their own lands.

    Imagine that.
     
  14. Hiranyaksha

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    We should have clear understanding that Logic and Reasons does not prevail Jihadist mindset. No matter how much we spend, how many of our brave hearts sacrifice themselves and , how many opportunities we provide to Jihadists it will not change a thing. They do hate India and will continue to hate India Period. And for our own water security we cannot let go Kashmir. Period.

    Now having said that we should be clear in our approach which is occupation of our legal estate ! Enough appeasement and beating around the bush. Clear policies must be framed. Armed forces must be empowered and given clear objectives and instructions. Whosoever is with us, must be welcomed with open arms , others must be moved to banana republic. Non Indians such as Rohingyas and Uighurs must be thrown out.
     
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    lcafanboy Regular Member

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    Original dwellers of GB are dead against Pakistan but problem is Pakistan has settled a large no of ex Pak servicemen from Mirpur (basically Punjabi Muslims) reside in so called AJK & GB. Pakistan didn't allowed chutiyapa article 370 and so has changed the demographics but in India Nehru & Khangress made this blunder and now we are suffering.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    Wow almost every post in this thread above mine is really on !

    this is the greatest paradigm change news since 1971 Bdesh liberation

    will it indeed bring in double-headed snakes , will the goi throw out the anti India but using our benefits bunch

    that "chutiyapa" article has to go and it has to be done one modification at a time, perhaps gradually BUT starting NOW ... like what pak has done, the DEMOGRAPHICS has to be altered perhaps gradually but it HAS to be done , there is no way to avoid that ...it wont work otherwise !!

    and firm action has to be taken on stone -pelters and their families while the non-stone pelters and their families should be rewarded

    the question time and again is does the goi have the GUTS AND SYSTEM to do what is right

    personally, i see some glimmer of hope that they are beginning to have some

    let's see how this goes ....will this be followed with MILITARY STRATEGIC POSITIONING on the ground ? we ay not need to giht but we have to be willing to OCCUPY the ground .- do we have the will and resources for that ? or will it be like 1948 where we stopped at the LOC for varous reasons ?

    it might turn out to be a long drawn out and costly affair .... can we MINIMIZE that cost ?
    then are we willing to pay the price for it ?
     
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  17. Dark Lord

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    So what if we pass bill to reserve sits for AK and GB will Pak give those regions to us. Stupidity like this make us look weak on world stage. If GOI want to take strong actions then first they need to pass a bill declaring Pak a terrorist state before that a bill abolishing 370.
     
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    I voted for No ( of course this was something Innovative but I beg to differ)
    Reason, Pak is not a country which follows rule to facilitate India. They are very strict about their interest. These bakchod bills won't do any thing.

    If you want to pass a Bill, give a hammer shot, pass a bill to declare Balochistan resolution and Balochistan an Independent state under Pak's occupation and India's support to them (Pak region not Iran)

    Pehle apna J&K sudhar lo uske baad POK mein ghusna Construction&Constitution ka thullu le kar.
     
  19. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    This is a good step perhaps in regional politics ..

    Next time some western intellectual draw map will think about this ..
     
  20. Hiranyaksha

    Hiranyaksha Regular Member

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    Why are we complicating things ? Why can't we be logical and objective in our approach. GB is intergal part of India and hence it must have representation in our assemblies. Right now we do not have access to the area because of illegal occupation , so we should reserve those seats. Simple.
    If something is a mess it does not mean that we should not rectify it. We have to correct our mistakes in the past by diving deep and cleaning our own shit.
     
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    On the contrary, it will have serious affects on Pakistan. Hope everyone remembers that Pak tried to declare PoK and GB as fifth province. This move is a Tit for Tat.

    China forced Pak to declare 5th province and this move is sure gonna rattle China.

    When I said consequences, if we play our cards right or atleast what I am expecting is... GoI plan is to create heated situation in UN... but this situation is not about HR violation in Indian Kashmir or Pak Occupied Kashmir.... it is about who will govern Kashmir...

    In other words, UN will be forced to act against Pak either to obey UN regulation and get the hell out of PoK or face consequences... I know guys, that is way over, highly unlikely but one of the possible cases....

    And one last thing, if you want to clean something!!..... make sure to stop the trash that's coming in. In this case raking things in PoK will only make situation better in KV.

    Pakis sure know that if we rake things up PoK, they would rather calm things in KV and hide stuff in PoK, they also know that next stop for India is Balochistan.(reason for this statement is I asaumed that UN is on Pak to get the hell out of PoK and GB, people revolting against Pak and India pointing to Pak atrocities, Pak behaves nicely to cool of things; shorr term benefit is things will calm down in KP atleast for time being or Pak misbehaves and full on out pressure on Pak which it can't afford.)

    This is my assumption only...please feel free to point out errors and correct them. I'd be very happy if you prefer to ping my errors.

    Lets see how things go on... it is only a matter of time.
     
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