Bhagvad Gita faces legal ban in Russia

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^^^ As per petition and news, Government of India, MMS & Congress ignored it earlier. :tsk:
So now it is the fault of the GOI!!...

One must understand that in religions matters no democratic government will raise a voice untill something rather serious happens. The GOI will not start taking on the regional court of a foreign nation, when it cannot do so in India itself. In such issues the govt waits for the complete picure to materialize and then take up the issue with the country, if it is a friendly nation.

The same thing happened when the French banned religious symbols and the Sikhs faced a problem there. That issue is resolved now.

Why was'nt this issue taken up with the self proclaimed custodians of the Hindu faith - the Sangh Parivar and its stalwarts.
 
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Sangh Parivar got pissed in-between NaMo and Advani . Who will be next PM candidate ?

Modi sunta nahi , Advani manta nahi .

btw , it would be good idea to inform RSS .

Wonder , if RSS know about this issue ?

as far as I know , ISKCON informs the New Delhi government only . No matter which party .
 

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So now it is the fault of the GOI!!...

One must understand that in religions matters no democratic government will raise a voice untill something rather serious happens. The GOI will not start taking on the regional court of a foreign nation, when it cannot do so in India itself. In such issues the govt waits for the complete picure to materialize and then take up the issue with the country, if it is a friendly nation.

The same thing happened when the French banned religious symbols and the Sikhs faced a problem there. That issue is resolved now.

Why was'nt this issue taken up with the self proclaimed custodians of the Hindu faith - the Sangh Parivar and its stalwarts.
Because RSS/BJP are not in power. They have their own limitation. They can only raise the issue in India.

BTW, They have done as per their capability and limitation. What they can do more when they are not in power ??

Even Subramanian Swamy called Ambassador and said He may fly into Moscow to file appeal in their higher courts.

Congress would have done anything if it is related with Muslims and Christians of India in any part of India. It's norm for them for vote bank politics.


Sushma Swaraj: Bhagavad Geetha Must be Declared National Book

Opposition leader Sushma Swaraj has declared in Parliament that the Bhagavad Geetha must be declared India's 'National Book'. She also slammed SM Krishna, Indian Foreign Minister for the poor and lazy response made by him and the UPA government. The statement came following the debate raging in Parliament over Russia's decision to ban Bhagavad Geetha in their homeland.

Earlier a group linked to the Christian Orthodox Church had sought the ban of Bhagavad Geetha on the Russian soil, terming the sacred text as 'extremist'. The case has been postponed to 28 December, 2011.

Meanwhile Russian Ambassador Alexander M Kadakin has expressed his dismay over the proposed ban by russia. "It is strange that such events are unfolding in the beautiful university city in Siberia, as Tomsk which is famous for its secularism and religious tolerance," he said in a a statement. "Well, it seems that even the lovely city of Tomsk has its own neighborhood madmen. It is sad indeed."

Sushma Swaraj: Bhagavad Geetha Must be Declared National Book | IndiaWires
 
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Did Indian govt ignore alert about Russia's move to ban Gita?

December 20, 2011

Moscow: The Indian government had been alerted to the move by a Russian court to ban the Bhagvad Gita, but it reportedly did not intervene, claims press agency IANS. The controversy provoked a strong response again in Parliament today, with the BJP slamming the government for not being proactive enough.

ISKCON devotees in Russia have a copy of a letter that they sent in November to the Prime Minister's Office. The letter was addressed to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Principal Secretary Pulok Chatterji. It asked that the government use high-level ministerial visits to Moscow, ahead of Manmohan Singh's own trip, to ensure the Gita was not banned. A court in Tmosk will deliver its verdict on December 28.

"We are very sorry to inform you that on June 30, 2011, the state prosecutor's office in Tomsk, Russia, has filed a court case asking the court to ban Bhagvad Gita in Russia, translated by ISKCON's founder AC Bhaktived Swami Prabhupada," the letter said. It also alleged that a panel of local experts had concluded that "Krishna is evil and (the Gita is) not compatible with Christian views." The letter was signed by ISKCON's governing body commissioner Gopal Krishna Goswami. ISKCON or the International Society for Krishna Consciousness has in recent years been noted for bulking up its membership in Eastern Europe. The organization has more than 400 centres across the world.

Since the letter was written, India has had six of its ministers and top officials visit Russia, culminating in Manmohan Singh's own visit from December 15 to 17 for a bilateral summit with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

In the Lok Sabha today, External Affairs Minister SM Krishna said that the complaint seemed to be the handiwork of "some ignorant and misdirected or motivated individuals...While this complaint is patently absurd, we have treated this matter seriously and the Embassy of India (in Moscow) is closely monitoring this legal case."

The remark was greeted with thumping of desks by members. After the statement of the minister, Leader of the Opposition Sushma Swaraj demanded that Gita be declared a 'national book' so that "no country would dare to insult it."

She also suggested that the government should have been more proactive. "The embassy and the Russian country cannot take steps automatically. The government will have to take steps on their own," she said. (With Agency Inputs)

Did Indian govt ignore alert about Russia's move to ban Gita?
 

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Ok, here is the deal,

The controversy is not over Bhagvad Gita but over 'Bhagawad Gita As It Is', a commentary by Iskcon founder Swami Prabhupada.

Having read the English version of the same, I found the book heavily emphasising on submission to the consciousness of Krishna as compared to a less persuasive tone of the Gita. I wouldn't call the book a mistranslation, but I did not like the interpretations provided.

 

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wow! So, the potential banning of BG by branding it as extremist is not even a problem. Further, if a political party raises the issue, then that is a problem!!! For raising this issue, BJP is wrong?

BTW, why should BJP not raise this issue? There are people in India who feel for the issue. BJP is taking up their cause. Whats wrong? Or is it expected that hindu issues are not to be taken up by any political party?
 

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christian missionaries are allowed to convert our tribal people but ISKON people can not even distribute a book even for free?
this is hypocrisy.
and we are being told that there must be no protest from political party against the ban! wah re wah...
 

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wow! So, the potential banning of BG by branding it as extremist is not even a problem. Further, if a political party raises the issue, then that is a problem!!! For raising this issue, BJP is wrong?

BTW, why should BJP not raise this issue? There are people in India who feel for the issue. BJP is taking up their cause. Whats wrong? Or is it expected that hindu issues are not to be taken up by any political party?
Nothing wrong with BJP taking up the issue. They have a right to do that.

I don't think anyone is protesting against the BJP taking up this issue.

The other thread, about making Gita "national book of India" is a different case though.
 

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and we are being told that there must be no protest from political party against the ban! wah re wah...
Raising any issue related with Hinduism is consider as communal in India. Since, BJP always raises such issues, It's considered as communal.
Then, It's better to be communal rather than secular. :namaste:
 

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Because RSS/BJP are not in power. They have their own limitation. They can only raise the issue in India.
They are in power in 5 states. Is their power limited to bashing christians only?

BTW, They have done as per their capability and limitation. What they can do more when they are not in power ??
They shut down work in the parliament on the FDI issue - surely protecting the Gita is a bigger issue.
Even Subramanian Swamy called Ambassador and said He may fly into Moscow to file appeal in their higher courts.
He is from Janta Party not the BJP - the self proclaimed guardians of Hinduism. The truth is that BJP could'nt care less unless it became a media issue.

Congress would have done anything if it is related with Muslims and Christians of India in any part of India. It's norm for them for vote bank politics.
Christians are not a vote bank...
 

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christian missionaries are allowed to convert our tribal people but ISKON people can not even distribute a book even for free? this is hypocrisy.
Similar treatment is metted out to the christian missionaries by the Bajrang Dal or RSS, ....remember what you do to others can be done to you as well.
 

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@ Johnee:
wow! So, the potential banning of BG by branding it as extremist is not even a problem. Further, if a political party raises the issue, then that is a problem!!! For raising this issue, BJP is wrong?

BTW, why should BJP not raise this issue? There are people in India who feel for the issue. BJP is taking up their cause. Whats wrong? Or is it expected that hindu issues are not to be taken up by any political party?
Who said it is not a problem? it is a national insult. You are a little slow in understanding....the BJP never took up the issue. The ISKON used the media to highlight this issue.
Raising any issue related with Hinduism is consider as communal in India. Since, BJP always raises such issues, It's considered as communal. Then, It's better to be communal rather than secular. :namaste:
Stop behaving like a drama queen. What good has the BJP done with their hindutva agenda?..They are a communal party. If you like that then dont complain about what's happening in Russia.
 

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They are in power in 5 states. Is their power limited to bashing christians only?
Indeed, They are in power in 10 states including 7 on own. You are mixing state power with central government. State government can't raise such issue in same way like GoI. They did what was possible for them. What Christians bashing has to do with this thread and when BJP bashing Christians ?

They shut down work in the parliament on the FDI issue - surely protecting the Gita is a bigger issue.
Opposing FDI was right decision. Even many people who are not associated with BJP are also opposing FDI. Even within Congress party and UPA-2, there are certain group/parties which are opposing it. OFF-Topic. Raising Gita was important issue but not the biggest. No one said nor it's fact.

He is from Janta Party not the BJP - the self proclaimed guardians of Hinduism. The truth is that BJP could'nt care less unless it became a media issue.
He is going to join NDA soon. Anyway, These days, most of the news comes in Media. MEDIA PR is created by politician and not otherway and this topic has nothing to do with Media or Politician.

Christians are not a vote bank...
To certain extend I agree as they don't have pan-India appeal. But certainly they do form vote bank in states like Kerala & Tribal belts.
 

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