Between Gandhi and Hitler - Documentary on Netaji Subash Chandra Bose

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Thanks for sharing..
 

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Please share your thoughts after watching it :)
 

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Good documentary, I watched the whole thing.

Of all our nationalist leaders I feel that he is the greatest. His only concern was his nation's freedom and he was determined to use any means necessary to achieve it. A great role model of a pragmatic and patriotic leader; someone who we could definitely use today.
 

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I believe if he had lived and succeeded then there would be no partition since he would have gotten all the divisive elements eliminated and focussed on authorotarian state machinery. Something between ussr and china. I think we would be in a stronger position economically and geopolitically if he was incharge.
 

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I believe if he had lived and succeeded then there would be no partition since he would have gotten all the divisive elements eliminated and focussed on authorotarian state machinery. Something between ussr and china. I think we would be in a stronger position economically and geopolitically if he was incharge.
A lot of mistakes were made in the early years of our Independence which had long-term strategic consequences for us, like Nehru going to U.N. during the First Indo-Pak War. Nehru was very intelligent and charismatic but he was also naive and lacked the pragmatism and geopolitical common sense that Netaji had. A lot of headaches could have been avoided today if we were more assertive back then. But there is no use wishing for the past to be different now.
 

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Opening lines of the documentary

"The British had been the colonial masters of the Indian subcontinent for more than a century. Bringing unity and stability to the country, they ruled with the consent of India's governing class." :tsk:
 

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The Mukherjee Commission refers to the one-man board of Justice Manoj Mukherjee, a retired judge of the Supreme Court of India which was instituted in 1999 to inquire into the controversy surrounding the reported death of Subhas Chandra Bose in 1945.
Mukherjee Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Findings of Commission

The findings of the commission were the following:[2]

Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose is dead
He did not die in the plane crash, as alleged, but probably flew towards the USSR[3]
The ashes in the Japanese temple are not of Netaji
In the absence of any clinching evidence a positive answer cannot be given
Question not applicable
Rejection of Mukherjee Commission report by the Government of India
The Mukherjee Commission report was tabled in the Indian parliament on 17 May 2006. The report concluded that Bose did not die in the alleged air crash of 1945 and the ashes at the Renkoji temple are not his ashes. The report did not comment on his alleged stay in Russia after 1945 and called for further investigation into the matter. However, the report said that he could be presumed to be dead today.

The Government of India rejected the findings of the Commission saying that it did not agree with the findings.
Also see section on Controversies and Justice Mukherjee's revelation and external links at end of Wiki article.

Why was one man assigned to this issue of Bose death?
 
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Opening lines of the documentary

"The British had been the colonial masters of the Indian subcontinent for more than a century. Bringing unity and stability to the country, they ruled with the consent of India's governing class." :tsk:
It is the unfortunate truth. A clear sense of national identity was not present when the wankers first arrived.
 

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The Legion Freies Indien (German: "Free India Legion") or Indische Freiwilligen-Legion Regiment 950 ("Indian Volunteer Legion Regiment 950"), referred to colloquially as the Indische Legion ("Indian Legion"), variously known also as the Tiger Legion and the Azad Hind Fauj (Hindi: "Free India Army"), was an Indian military unit raised in 1941 in Germany attached to the German Army (Wehrmacht Heer) and later from August 1944 attached to the Waffen-SS, ostensibly according to the concept of an Indian liberation force[1] during World War II by its co-founder the prominent Subhash Chandra Bose chairman of the Indian National Congress and a leader of the Indian independence movement, who in 1941 came to Berlin having just escaped British house arrest in India. The initial recruits were Indian student volunteers resident in Germany at the time, and a handful from the Indian prisoners of war (POWs) captured by Rommel during his North Africa Campaign. It would later draw a larger number of Indian POWs as volunteers.

Raised initially as an assault group that would form a pathfinder to a German/Indian invasion of the western frontiers of British India, only a small contingent was ever put to its original intended purpose when a hundred of the legionnaires were parachuted into eastern Iran in 'Operation Bajadere' to infiltrate into India through Baluchistan and commence sabotage operations against the British in preparation for an anticipated national revolt.[2] A majority of the troops of the Indian Legion were only ever stationed in Europe – mostly in non-combat duties – from the Netherlands, to Atlantic Wall duties in France until the Allied invasion of France. A small contingent, including the leadership and the officer corps, was transferred to Azad Hind ("Free India") after its formation and saw action in the INA's Burma Campaign.[3]

The unit saw action against British and Polish troops and also undertook anti-partisan operations in Italy in 1944.[4]

At the time of the surrender of the Third Reich in 1945, remaining troops of the Indian Legion made efforts to march to neutral Switzerland over the Alps, but these efforts proved futile as they were captured by American and French troops and eventually shipped back to India to face charges of treason.
 

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The Indian National Army (INA) or Azad Hind Fauj (Hindi: आज़ाद हिन्द फ़ौज ; Urdu: آزاد ہند فوج) was an armed force formed by Indian nationalists in 1942 in Southeast Asia during World War II. The aim of the army was to liberate India from the British occupation with Japanese assistance. Initially composed of Indian prisoners of war captured by Japan in the Malayan campaign and at Singapore, it later drew volunteers from Indian expatriate population in Malaya and Burma. The INA also was at the forefront of women's equality and the formation of a women's regiment, the Rani of Jhansi regiment was formed as an all volunteer women's unit to fight the British occupiers as well as provide medical services to the INA.

Initially formed in 1942 immediately after the fall of Singapore under Mohan Singh, the first INA collapsed in December that year before it was revived under the leadership of Subhas Chandra Bose in 1943 and proclaimed the army of Bose's Arzi Hukumat-e-Azad Hind (The Provisional Government of Free India). This second INA fought along with the Imperial Japanese Army against the British and Commonwealth forces in the campaigns in Burma, Imphal and Kohima, and later, against the successful Burma Campaign of the Allies. The end of the war saw a large number of the troops repatriated to India where some faced trial for treason and became a galvanising point of the Indian Independence movement.[1]

The legacy of the INA is controversial given its associations with Imperial Japan, the course of Japanese occupations in Burma, Indonesia and other parts of Southeast Asia, its alliance with the Axis in Europe, as well as Japanese war crimes and the alleged complicity of the troops of the INA in these. However, after the war, the Red Fort trials of captured INA officers in India provoked massive public outcries in support of their efforts to fight for Indian independence against the Raj, eventually triggering the Bombay mutiny in the British Indian forces[2]. These events in the twilight of the Raj are accepted by historians to have played a crucial role in its relatively rapid end.[3][4]
 

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There is a separate thread about this documentary.
 

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The documentary relates that of 10,000 Indian soldiers captured in North Africa, 2/3 declined to join Bose and the Wehrmacht's Free India Legion. I believe what I heard was a reference to "eating the King's salt."

I found this interesting link.

Sepoy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sepoys in British service
Initially the British recruited sepoys from the local communities in the Madras and Bombay Presidencies, the emphasis being on recruits having adequate physique and being of sufficient caste. In the Bengal Army however, recruitment was only amongst high caste Brahman and Rajput communities, mainly of the Uttar Pradesh and Bihar regions. Recruitment was undertaken locally by battalions or regiments often from the same community, village and even family. The commanding officer of a battalion became a form of substitute for the village chief or gaon bura. He was the mai-baap or the "father and mother" of the sepoys making up the paltan ("unit"). There were many family and community ties amongst the troops and numerous instances where family members enlisted in the same battalion or regiment. The izzat ("honour") of the unit was represented by the regimental colours; the new sepoy having to swear an oath in front of them on enlistment. These colours were stored in honour in the quarter guard and frequently paraded before the men. They formed a rallying point in battle.The oath of fealty by the sepoy was given to the East India Company and included a pledge of faithfulness to the salt that one has eaten.
 

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Has M.K.Gandhi completely eclipsed Bose in Indian history?
People have different views, gandhi is more popular but for nationalists bose is superior because of his direct action rather than doing non-violent fasting. In an ideal world gandhi's method is morally superior but we dont live in an ideal world.

If i was born during that time i would have joined bose rather than gandhi but that doesn't mean i dont respect gandhi.
 

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Without the existence of Gandhi.There would have been no Indian Nationalism.Without Indian Nationalism there is no Bose
 

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Without the existence of Gandhi.There would have been no Indian Nationalism.Without Indian Nationalism there is no Bose
You must either be delusional or are completely unaware of Indian History. Congress existed much before Gandhi. They were a nationalistic organisation. Subhash Chandra Bose was a contemporary of Gandhi, not his successor. Better review those history books, YouAreAnIidiot.

Gandhi became famous only because Godse thought it prudent to neutralise him before India further spiraled down the path of his destructive pseudo-secularism. He was, what one might call 'dead-famous'.
On the other hand, Bose became a hero long before that. Surely you don't mean to say that Gandhi's achievements were any more important than Netaji's do you? One man had the gall to challenge the English might through military retaliation while the other merely begged for Home Rule and stopped Quit India Movement. No use comparing the two.

People have different views, gandhi is more popular but for nationalists bose is superior because of his direct action rather than doing non-violent fasting. In an ideal world gandhi's method is morally superior but we dont live in an ideal world.

If i was born during that time i would have joined bose rather than gandhi but that doesn't mean i dont respect gandhi.
Gandhi is more popular because he has had his face printed on almost every note minted in Independent India. You keep doing the same for Ambedkar, Netaji, Patel, Abul Kalam Azad, Nehru and others and they will become just as famous. Gandhi's policies found wide acceptance because not many Indians were brave enough to rise up against the British with arms. If 25% of the population had joined in the armed revolt, then the British would have vanished without a trace. It is our great misfortune that Indian society was not as compacted then to execute this. From that point of view, Gandhi did something which most people had the courage to do, and due credit has to be given to MK Gandhi for that. But the way he is deified by the Congress as if he was some God is absolutely disgusting and should be abhorred. Like all people Gandhi had his failings, and therefore we must not be so quick to deify someone like him(Gandhi) and 'demonise' those who were not on the same page with him.
 
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