Bengal's development model better than that of Gujarat: Mamata

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    Bengal's development model better than that of Gujarat: Mamata
    New Delhi, Mar 9, 2014, (PTI):
    West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee is not ready to give credit to Narendra Modi for development work in Gujarat and feels her own model is much better and has paid good dividends. PTI file photo

    West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee is not ready to give credit to Narendra Modi for development work in Gujarat and feels her own model is much better and has paid good dividends.

    In the 'development-versus-development' debate, she says there is a "huge difference" between the models pursued by her and Modi because of circumstances.

    "Let me answer your question directly. Did Mr A, or Mr B, have the Junglemahal (naxal) problem to resolve? We have brought peace there. Did Mr A or Mr B have the Darjeeling-like problem to resolve? Darjeeling is now smiling. Did Mr A or Mr B inherit a debt burden for his state of over Rs 2 lakh crore," she told PTI in an interview.

    "Inspite of overcoming all these, we have been on the path of development," added Mamata who became the Chief Minister in August 2011.

    She was responding when asked if she sees a difference between the models of development being pursued by Modi and her own.

    Seeking to justify how her model of development was better, the Trinamool Congress leader said, "Let me talk facts and show how the two states (West Bengal and Gujarat) cannot be compared."

    She suggested that Gujarat has had sustained development without facing any problems while West Bengal "had to rise from bottom upwards" as it had been "ruined for over 34 years by the Communists".

    In West Bengal, she said, every parameter had gone down. There was "flight of capital" from the state, 50,000 factories had been closed down and one crore people had been rendered unemployed.

    "This was the story of West Bengal when my government took over. Other states have had sustained development for many decades," she contended.

    "What West Bengal is doing today, India must do tomorrow. These are not hollow words," Mamata insisted.

    To buttress her point, the Chief Minister listed "some concrete examples" like setting up of fair price medicine shops, web-based procurement policy of medicines and 'Kanya Shree' scheme.

    "My state also now has a PPP policy, an IT policy, a Textile policy. We have done more in 34 months than what the Communists have done in 34 years," she maintained.

    These schemes, she said, could be replicated by other states for their betterment.

    Mamata said that before she came to power, the work culture in her state had been ruined.

    "When my government took over, half the man days lost in India were from Bengal. Between 2008 and 2011, 70 lakh man days were lost through strikes. We brought that figure down to 5,200. And this year it is nil.

    "Compared to this, states like Gujarat have always had a good work culture. But we have had to change the full attitude.

    "So before you start comparing Bengal to other states, it is important to understand this. We have done all this and more and that is why people are putting their faith in us, election after election," she said.

    Talking about the initiatives by her government as well as the results they have borne, Mamata said, "You will be happy to know that in MSME, the growth in Bengal has been 105 percent. Karnataka is 48 per cent, Gujarat is in the 20s."

    She said that the tax collection in West Bengal has been doubled from Rs 20,000 crore in the last three years without a single tax being raised.

    "I can challenge and say that Bengal's new Industrial Policy document has a detailed incentive package which is better than any other state," Mamata added.

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    Any comments from any one ?
     
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  3. Shadow

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    It's too early to comment.We will come to know in the upcoming years whether her comments are hollow or have some mettle in it
     
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    No doubt she has done well. But its still early days. If she curbs her populist measures a bit , Mamata can do much better.
     
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    Controlling communical violence is very difficult & not getting support from central government for more than a decade is also difficult.

    1. There is no sectarian violence in Gujarat from past 12 years - Modi has done well in attracting investment.
    2. There is no support from central government(UPA) from last 10 years to gujarat - Modi has done well in spite of not getting support from central government.
     
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    Both have made business easier to conduct, reduced procedural and beaurocratic hurdles, decreased red-tapes and corruption. But there are differencws in their development strategies. Modi has gone for more big ticket investments and Mamata for mor small and medium sector industries (partly because no big ticket industrialists were available for the terms set by the government). Big industries mean more money, quicker infrastructural development. But small and medium scale means more employment generation. Big investment causes social development through trickle down effect. Small industries make a greater section of the population upward mobile.
     
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    Good assessment !
     
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    Communal riots do stop development but everything is not just linked to communal violence. Uttar Pradesh had the largest communal riots around 247 incidents in 2013 but still UP is the second largest economy. Here i am not saying that Gujarat is not doing good but just giving answer to you.

    BJP is a good party but for everything Gujarat and Mr Modi cant be an example. Why no one take example of BJP Governments of other states ? Chhattisgarh, Goa, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan.

    Whenever i think about BJP, I think about Atal Ji and the things done by him for the nation.
     
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    Atal was one claiming credit for 84 no? He need to make his name akal, maybe he get some?

    How good is west bengal if it is allowing illegal immigration unchecked?

    Gujurat was having some projects, but also having neo liberal mncs there to exploit public village lands and convert tribals.

    The states are opposites on some aspects. Bengal needs someone to defend it, Modi was trying to kick out those who had been put there to defend gujurat. ;)

    Please don't call it West Bengal.
     
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    UP may be second largest economy in India but the ratio of population & tax collection is very less. Even thought UP has the highest communal riots nobody is questioning it as they are Sickular & ally of UPA. Muslims supports either SP, Congrees & BSP party so these parties are called sickular in India.

    you need to ask congress & other parties about why they rack up only Guj communal riots & degrades its economic status. Time to question them.
     
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    good for you mamtaji..
     
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    Mamata didi is comparing apples and oranges IMO - Gujarat has large tracts of land that are uncultivable and semi desert that have been used judiciously for industrial development. Bengal does not have that luxury with dense population and illegal immigration from Bangladesh encouraged by all the major political parties of Bengal i.e. Congress, Communist Party and TMC. Bengal OTOH has the advantage of plentiful water supply and has good agriculture. 34 years of communism have lead to `dharna`/`cholbe na` work culture else WB is a pretty good state with its talented people a big asset.


    @Hindi ji, UP IMO is currently the most laggard state in India with Bihar and MP escaping Bimaru group slowly but surely while Uttar Pardes keeps voting repeatedly along caste and religious lines for hooligans and criminals. Please divide the GDP of UP to get at the per capita figure and then compare with other states.
     
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    As things stand, UP is indeed the most laggard state except W.Bengal (in mainland India) when it comes to "rule of law", "probity in public life", economic activity (when the population is taken into account), infrastructure (electricity, roads, govt. run education & medical facilities, etc.), civic amenities, administrative efficiency etc. In fact, you just name it, UP sucks the most in any deptt.

    Anyway, W. Bengal remains the proverbial milestone for any state in wretchedness, which is a totally gone case & is irredeemably sick (rather, in coma), due to geopolitical & demographic factors. Expect, fissiparous & secessionist propensities to surface there, shortly.

    Slightly better than W. Bengal was Bihar which had improved a lot from thew wretchedness of last 4 decades (that it has metamorphosed into an extremist-haven, under Nitish, is another matter) while, MP is altogether in a different league now.

    Anyway, it is a fact that India's fate rests on the choices that people make in the very wretched state of UP. Since, the Muslim-Yadav fiefdom in UP is supreme, absolute & unchallenged, BJP has done a very smart job in getting the top Dalit leaders (whose allegiance is not towards Behanji) & prominent OBC leaders in all corners of UP (Kurmi, Lodh, Patel, Jats etc.) into its fold. Further, BJP is counting on AAP-factor to divide the Muslim votes which is increasingly divided between SP, Congress, BSP & INLD (exactly in this order).

    So, given the fact that BJP now has a significant pie in all vote-banks in UP- most prominently in :

    1) Upper Castes (excluding Brahmans whose loyalty is divided between Congress, BSP & BJP),
    2) OBC (all non-Yadav communities including Jats & this includes formal alliances as well like Apna Dal & many more)
    3) Significant sections of Dalits leaders like Kushwaha, Pasi, maali, dhobi, naai, fishermen communities etc.

    & Muslims delivering complete fractured mandate this time (no amount of tactical fatwas can ameliorate this at the local levels), the UP scene appears very rosy for BJP & 45+ seats (out of 80 seats) seems quite plausible & comfortably within reach.

    Only, internal rivalries & petty squabbles among BJP leaders/cadre at the local level can spoil the party for BJP. In short, none but BJP themselves can mar the prospects of Modi's inevitable coronation in May, 2014. This election is indeed for BJP's to loose.

    Least one can is expect from them is not to snatch defeat from the clasp of impending watershed victory.
     
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    Indeed @TrueSpirit1 ji, I wanted to write about the lawlessness in Bengal but deleted ! Communist goons have switched sides to TMC so fate of West Bengal is not much improved IMHO !

    As for Uttar Pradeshm what to say - voters from upper castes vote for a party that has a slogan `tilak , tarazoo or talwar - inko maaro jute chaar` ! Bihar, thanks to Nitish Kumar, is luckily pulling out of wretchedness though still long way to catch up with rest of India.
     
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    "Anyway, W. Bengal remains the proverbial milestone for any state in wretchedness, which is a totally gone case & is irredeemably sick "
    Bengal is pro-poor. Is that bad? Do you honestly feel good about a nation having half its population living in abject poverty? Is GDP an indicator of welfare or per capita income? How about income disparity?
    Its time we stopped looking at the poor as a burden and started looking it as a loss of human potential.
    "Communist goons have switched sides to TMC" - Agree. But only for their survival. Good for Mamata that she doesn't have to listen to politburos to keep these opportunists in party or let them thrive. She can kick them out at will.
     
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    What has WB achived since independance under the retarded work culture and policies of Commism/Socialism- an excellent model transformation from being the richest state of India to a sick state.. An Excellent model to other states on what will happen to you if you are stupid enough to follow the retarded socialist/communist retoric
    Bengal is not pro-poor but rather pro-poverty just like any socialist state is .And being pro-poverty is really really bad. In other words, encouraging wealth stagnation through Socialism/Communism is.
    No, but unlike the hippie Commies, I would blame this state on the economic retards .ie Commies/Socialists/Jhollawallahs rather than blaming the capitalists, which is the case here. Gujrat is a capitalistic state on the rise unlike the WB which it seems from the news is a Socialist heaven heading the direction of BiMaRU states .
    Yes. it is.
    So would you rather keep poor in abject property just to keep rich from earning? .
    Exactly why we need more investments un-hindered by bureaucratic/socialistic crap and taxes. That way, we can make use of the Human potential through generation of Jobs and wealth
    I disagree. For all talk about development and business freedom, WB remains a largely leftist state. It will replace bihar/MP/Rajasthan in the BiMaRU states as a sick state, if the locals dont come out of the hippie fantasy called Communism/Socialism
     
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    MP is already out of Bimaru.
     
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    @Mad Indian:"not pro-poor but rather pro-poverty" - Care to elaborate.

    "What has WB achived since independance under the retarded work culture and policies of Commism/Socialism- an excellent model transformation from being the richest state of India to a sick state." - Kolkata was the capital city in British India, the reason for being rich.

    "just like any socialist state is" - I hope you do know that the Scandinavian countries like Norway and Sweden are socialist. They are quite ahead in the world in almost every social parameter we know.


    "No, but unlike the hippie Commies, I would blame this state on the economic retards .ie Commies/Socialists/Jhollawallahs" - I hope you understand the difference between Communism and Socialism. I do believe you know Netaji Subhaschandra Bose was a socialst (retard!!! His academic credentials tell otherwise). Satyajit Ray was one. I am not even bringing Amartya Sen in the debate.


    "Gujrat is a capitalistic state on the rise unlike the WB" - Did you read the article being discussed?


    "Yes. it is." - Which one? I gave you a choice.


    "Exactly why we need more investments un-hindered by bureaucratic/socialistic crap and taxes. That way, we can make use of the Human potential through generation of Jobs and wealth" - As I had said before, capitalism creates wealth in trickle down effect, which is slow and creates large disparities in income. Co-operatives are an alternative.


    "I disagree. For all talk about development and business freedom, WB remains a largely leftist state. It will replace bihar/MP/Rajasthan in the BiMaRU states as a sick state, if the locals dont come out of the hippie fantasy called Communism/Socialism." - Socialism is a reality in the most developed nations in the world today (and that is not the USA).
    Ever heard of the Occupy Movement in USA?


    I am not an apologist for the communist government in India. They have done bad. As you said correctly, about the work culture. Also, they politicised everything with unions from education, colleges, government offices even police forces. That's why they were thrown out.
    The only thing they did well was land redistribution.

    I see your visceral hate in everything communism/socialism. You can adore the capitalists but The west is getting tired of their greed. We also should be - on the petrodollar, greed for oil, wars, the international banking system and its tight grip on world monetory polocies - this list is endless. Closer home, Indian capitalists except Azim Premji and Godrej are the stingiest ones when it comes to charity.


    Not everything is black or white and there are many shades of grey - both with capitalism and socialism.
     
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    @Kay As long as we have likes of you amongst us, rest assured, we would have no dearth of poverty in India.

    You are so much in love with the "idea of poverty" as well as, against "wealth-creation" which can be used to ameliorate the situation.

    Grow up, mate. Don't be a burden in an already exasperated land. For some one like you, even starting to understand the basics would be half-the-battle-won.
     
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