Belgaum should become a Union Territory - Maharashtra

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    Mumbai: Even as the Supreme Court is yet to decide on the contentious issue, the Maharashtra government on Thursday demanded that Belgaum district be declared a union territory.

    State Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan said that he will meet Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to press of the demand.

    The decades old border dispute between Maharashtra and Karnataka once again boiled over after pro-Marathi Maharashtra Ekikaran Samiti (MES) controlled Belgaum City Corporation was superseded by the Karnataka government - on July 3 - for allegedly violating provisions of the Karnataka Municipal Act, 1976. :mad:

    The MES had wants Belgaum city and 865 surrounding villages to be placed under Central government rule until the border dispute is resolved in the Supreme Court.

    However, the Karnataka government staunchly opposes any such move.

    Maharashtra wants Belgaum be declared a UT
     
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    Belgaum border dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Background

    After India became independent in 1947, the Belgaum district (which was in the erstwhile Bombay Presidency) became a part of the Bombay State. In 1948, the Belgaum Municipality requested the Indian Dominion, Indian Constituent Assembly and the Boundary Commission to include the Belgaum Municipal District in the proposed Samyukta Maharashtra state for the Marathi speakers.
    But, in 1956, the Belgaum district was incorporated into the newly formed Mysore state (now Karnataka) with the passage of the States Reorganisation Act, although other adjoining areas of the Bombay State were included in the newly formed Maharashtra state. The Act, which reorganised India's states along linguistic and administrative lines, included Belgaum in the Kannada-majority Karnataka, although the district had a large Marathi-speaking population; about three-fourths (2 million) of the then total population.

    Boundary Commission's decision

    Belgaum historically has been a part of the Kannada region and has seen many such dynasties ruling over it. But the scenario in the region changed in 18th century as in other parts of India. This was the period which saw the expansion of the Maratha empire under the Peshwas which culminated in realising the famous saying of "Attock to Cuttack". Hence a large chunk of Karnataka region formed a part of the then Maratha empire and was called the "Southern Maratha Country" (most of North Karnataka). By the time the British came to power, this region was dotted by the remnants of Maratha empire ruling over their jagirs and states. But the language of the land essentially remained Kannada. This has been summed up by historian and civil servant of the Bombay presidency John Faithfull Fleet in his book The Dynasties of the Kanarese Districts of the Bombay Presidency (1894), which forms a part of the Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency (Vol-1, Part-II, Book-III).[4] The first page of the book explains the ground realities of the time, which goes as,
    “ In defining the limits of the Kanarese language, on the west and north may be designated "by a line drawn from Sadashivgad (Karwar), to the westward of Belgaum, Hukkeri through Kagal and Kurundwad, passing between 'Keligaon' and 'Pandegaon' through Brahmapuri on Bhima and Sholapur and thence east, to the neighbourhood of Bidar. This however wrongly excludes Kolhapur. As for Sholapur which now officially counts as a Marathi District, Kanarese is still, to a great extent the vernacular of south east corner of it. And there are Kanarese inscriptions of the Western Chalukyas, Kalachurya and Devagiri Yadavas of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries and some later ones, at Sholapur itself, and at Kudal and Mohol in that district, and at Karajgi, Kudal, and Tadwal in the Akalkot state.

    In official language the four recognised Kanarese districts of this presidency viz. Belgaum, Bijapur and Dharwar collectorates together with the Kolhapur, Miraj and other Native states called the "Southern Maratha Country". A more misleading appellation, however it originated, could not well have been devised. It is true that, in one of the earliest inscriptions of Pulakesin II, this part of the country is included in what was known then and even many centuries before his time as Maharashtra. But this term meaning literally "the great country", does not inherently imply any of the racial and linguistic peculiarities which are now naturally attached to the terms 'Maratha' and 'Marathi', derived from it. In the whole area of so-called Southern Maratha country, not a single Marathi inscription has been discovered, of a greater age than two or three centuries. With the exception that two Prakrit records have been obtained at Banawasi in North Kanara and 'Malavalli' in Mysore, and that a few Prakrit words occur here and there in other records, the inscriptions are all either in pure Sanskrit or pure Kanarese, or in the two languages combined. This fact speaks of itself, as to what the vernacular of the country was in early times. In the present day, the people and the language of British districts are essentially Kanarese; and the Kanarese people and language have been displaced, to a certain extent, by the Marathi people and language in the Native States, only because those States were established by the aggressions of the Marathas from the north, whose local influence proved to be greater than that of the native rulers whom they dispossessed. Even in the Native States, and in Marathi official correspondence, the Political Agent at Kolhapur is, to the present day always addressed as the Political Agent, not of the "Dakshina Maharasthra" or "Southern Maratha Country, but of the "Karavira Ilakha and the Karnataka Prant ”
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    Hence when linguistic reorganisation of states was decided upon, this was the background available to the Commission as a part of official records and language was the basis. As a result, the resultant Maharashtra didn't include the 'Maratha'-ruled areas of Baroda, Indore or Gwalior except for Kolhapur as the Commission took into consideration all the changes in the region over a long period of time and not just recent changes in demography.

    Four member Committee

    Following a memorandum from the Maharashtra government on 23 June 1957, the Government of India constituted Mahajan Committee on 5 June 1960 to look into the case. The four member Committee consisted of two representatives from the Maharashtra Government, and two from the Mysore state Government. But it failed to reach an agreement.[5] Maharashtra wanted to apply following points and agreed to hand over Kannada majority villages to Mysore:
    Villages as a unit
    Geographical proximity/integrity
    Marathi or Kannada speakers "relative majority"; in case of villages with no population, it should be merged with that state where the owners of that land reside
    People's wish
    Mysore Government, on the other hand, wanted status quo to be maintained.

    Mahajan Commission

    Maharashtra leader Senapati Bapat resorted on hunger strike demanding the government to form a commission which would address border dispute. At Maharashtra's insistence, the Government of India constituted the Mahajan Commission on 25 October 1966. V.P. Naik, Maharashtra's Chief Minister at that time, announced in public on 9 November 1967 that Maharashtra will adhere to Mahajan Commission's report, regardless of the outcome. The commission was headed by the third Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of India, Meher Chand Mahajan. The commission, upon review of Maharashtra's claims, recommended the exchange of several villages in Belgaum district between the two states, but rejected Maharashtra's claim on Belgaum city.

    The Mahajan Commission received 2240 memoranda and interviewed 7572 people and submitted its report. Maharashtra had asked for 814 villages besides Belgaum. It was given 262 villages including Nippani, Khanapur and Nandgad. Mysore State had claimed 516 villages, of which Maharashtra admitted that 260 were Kannada-speaking ones. It was awarded 247 villages including claim to Solapur.

    Excerpts of the Mahajan Report

    Excerpts from the Mahajan committee report regarding rejection of Maharashtra's claim over Belgaum:

    “ Maharashtra’s claim for Belgaum is of recent origin. Though tabled in Parliament, Maharashtra MPs, especially from the treasury benches, did not vote against the amendment of Belgaum being part of their state. Belgaum is a cosmopolitan city. In 1920, when the AICC session was held in Belgaum, not a single leader from Maharashtra including N C Kelkar demanded that it be part of that state. Geographically, Kannada areas surround the city of Belgaum on three sides and by a smattering of villages belonging to Maharashtra on the fourth. Reorganisation will cause extreme hardship. Status quo should be maintained. From the records of rights of Belgaum city, it is seen that a majority of lands belong to Kannadigas. All the original records in the offices of the amlatdar and collector are in Kannada. On the appreciation of the whole material and assessing it objectively, I have reached the conclusion that I cannot recommend the inclusion of Belgaum city in the state of Maharashtra. ”

    The following are the summary of Mahajan committee report.
    Belgaum to continue in Karnataka
    Around 247 villages/places including Jatta, Akkalakote, Sholapur to be part of Karnataka
    Around 264 villages/places including Nandagad, Nippani Khanapur to be part of Maharastra
    Kasaragod (of Kerala) to be part of Karnataka


    The Maharashtra and Kerala government refuted the recommendations of the report and demanded another review of the issue. Maharashtra government termed the findings of the reports as biased and self-contradictory because the "formula" applied for Kasaragod was not applied for Belgaum. Maharashtra Government insisted that the report is against the "wish of people" of Belgaum. Kerala, on the other hand, refused to hand over Kasaragod to Karnataka. The Karnataka government, continued to press for the implementation of the report or maintaining status quo.


    Maharashtra's refutations of the report

    Maharashtra insisted on 1951 census, as the dispute had arisen due to States Reorganisation Act of 1956. According to 1951 census the percentages of Marathi-speakers (with Kannada-speakers in brackets) were as follows:
    Belgaum city: 60% (18.8%)
    Shahapur: 57.0% (33.2%)
    Belgaum cantonment: 33.6% (20.6%)
    Belgaum suburbs: 50.9% (21.8%)
    The Mahajan commission, however, used 1961 census. According to maps of 1961 census, Belgaum was surrounded by Kannada speaking areas on all sides. Mahajan commission said that its decisions on border dispute is not related with number of Marathi schools and students in Belgaum.
    Maharashtra insisted that Mahajan Commission is not the final verdict on this dispute and ex-Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi himself had asserted about it. The Maharashtra Government rejected the Mahajan Commission's report claiming that it was biased, illogical and against people's wish.
     
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    the kannadigas call belgaum the kashmir of the south and liken maharashtra with pakistan !!!.....and say that like pakistan wants to grab kashmir maharashtra wants to grab belgaum :rofl:
     
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    Forget Belgaum, Maharashtrians wanted Goa to merge into their state. Pride in one's language and culture is good but not chauvinism.
     
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    Is this the time to brake all big states and make a law that no state can have more than 35 lok sabha seats?

    It can have less lok sabha seats but not more than 35 in total. :boom:

    :D
     
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    inspite of goa's image as a christian place , actually maharashtrian hindus outnumber the others there and form a majority . if it had not been a colony of portugal , goa would have been part of mahasrashtra . even many of the christians there are nothing but converted maharashtrians .
     
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    Belgaum has been a bone of contention for ages.
     
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    If that's true, than indeed Belgaum belonged to Maharashtra.
     
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    its our country, each and every place belongs to all citizens.
    why to fight for such small issues.what difference will it make if the place stays with Maharashtra/Karnataka.
    the respective state govt's should leave their ego and move together
     
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    Language is the main problem, in belgaum even maharashtrians have to study kannada as first language and all the work is done in kannada...with majority population being marathi since begining it should have been merged with maharashtra long time ago...
     
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    Goa was offered a Choice in 1961. They choose to retain the Goanese identity.

    Maharashtra can be divided on the basis of Sahyadris . West of the Sahyadris is Konkan includes Thane, Ratnagiri, Raigad, Sindhudurg, Goa, Mumbai, Mumbai Suburbs and upto Mangalore.
     
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    In Solapur you can still see most signs un Marathi, Kannada and English.

    Why bother with language. Make Hindi compulsory and get on with it.
     
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    Belgaom is going to be the winter capital of Karnataka and developments are alredy on....

    Marathy can forget about Belgaum....
     
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    Winter in India is hot is it not? What a colossal waste of money in making something unnecessary.

    If they can convert Belgaum to Belgium perhaps there is some sense.

    On a side note Karnataka seems to fight with every surrounding state;

    Bellary problem with Andhra.
    Kasargod problem with Kerala
    Hosur problem with TN.
     
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    It is not that simple. Geographical contiguity too played major role in reorganising the states based on linguistics. Sholapur in Maharastra has more in common with Karnataka, Kannada is widely spoken. Nagpur in particular and Vidarbha region overall has more similarity with the regions of MP across the border than the rest of the state. Hindi dialects are more widely spoken and understood than Marathi.

    Loads of other examples are there

    - Kasargode (northern part at least) in Kerala has predominantly Kannada speaking people

    - Bellary and Hospet are Telugu speaking, but lie in Karnataka

    - Kolar is a bone of contention between TN, Karnataka and AP

    - Pragmatism dictated Tirupati for Chennai swap, when AP was carved out as the first linguistic state.

    - Tamil-speakers form a majority in atleast three-four taluks of Palakkad district in Kerala

    - Kanyakumari and Nagarcoil regions were predominantly Malayalam speaking but were handed to TN as Palakkad went to Kerala.

    - Oriya is spoken widely in two districts of Jharkhand.

    - Bundelkhand region spans UP and MP

    - Bhojpuri is spoken in nearly equal number of districts on the either side of the UP-Bihar border.
    ....

    Isn't it time we stopped squabbling over non-issues?
     
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    Belgaum is the only part of India AFAIK that is agitating as if the city has been ceded to Pakistan! Marathi speakers are majority in Belgaum urban, and their presence has been since past 100-150 years only in the land ownership records, rural areas continue to be Kannada speaking. [see Mahajan report; this was one of the basis for giving belgaum to Karnataka]. By this logic in next 2-3 decades if population of UP bhaiyyas exceeds that of Marathi speakers Mumbai should be ceded to Uttar Pradesh is it ?

    Mahajan Commission report calls for parts of Solapur distt to go to Kar, parts of Belgaum to Maha and parts of Kasargod distt from Kerala to Kar. It would be fair is all the parts of Mahajan report would be implemented.

    Agree!

    Konkani as a language is as old as old Marathi. Use of Konkani was discouraged by Portuguese.

    Languages spoken in Goa - Konkani is spoken as a native language by about 61% of the people in the state but almost all Goans can speak and understand Konkani. Other linguistic minorities in the state as per the 2001 census are Marathi (21%), Kannada (5%), Hindi (5%), and Urdu (4%).

    Mangalore...:p ??? Between Mangalore and the southern most tip of Maharashtra there are several districts that are Kannada speaking. South of Goa is Uttara Kannada district and then Udupi district and then Mangalore [Dakshina Kannada] distt. Even in Udupi and Mangalore the widely spoken language is Tulu rather than Kannada even!
     
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    There is good Konkani influence upto Manglore.
     
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    Tulu, Konkani, Kannada are spoken in Mangalore. Nothing to do with Maharashtra though.

    If Maharashtra insists on Belgaum, then entire Mahajan Commission recommendations should be implemented.

    Having said that, I dont agree with agitations for Kasargode/Belgaum/Solapur etc - we are all part of India whether in maha or Kar or Kerala.
     
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    Bellary ,hospet and molar must be given to us.Tirupathi has more telugus than Tamils
     
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    ????? molar....:rofl:
     

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