Battalions with foreign bias face axe in Army cuts

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  1. Neil

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    Historic battalions that rely on foreign-born recruits for up to a fifth of their strength face being axed next week in the most significant reforms to the Army in a century.

    The Government will outline next Thursday which units will be cut or merged under the Future Force 2020 proposals as the Army shrinks to 82,000 men, its lowest level since the Napoleonic Wars.

    At least five infantry battalions will be cut, with many amalgamated with other units or turned into Territorial Army units. Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, has suggested that battalions with a high proportion of foreign and Commonwealth troops are more vulnerable.
    Figures seen by The Daily Telegraph show that at least three of the 36 infantry battalions — the Royal Highland Fusiliers (2 Bn The Royal Regiment of Scotland), 1st Bn Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment and 5 Bn The Rifles — have between 15 and 20 per cent of troops drawn from overseas. Common recruiting grounds include the Caribbean and Fiji.

    The plans put forward by Lt Gen Nick Carter will be the biggest change to the Army since 1904. They have been delayed for months amid wrangling over which regiments will survive. The Scottish units have lobbied hard for survival but English MPs have also called for battalions based in their constituencies to be retained, especially with the possibility of Scottish independence.
    It is expected that the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (5 Scots), whose Royal colonel is the Queen, will either be axed or turned into a TA unit. Other units likely to be cut or amalgamated include 3 Bn the Yorkshire Regiment, 2 Bn Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, 3 Bn Mercian Regiment and 5 Bn The Rifles.

    In addition, between two and five cavalry regiments will disappear, including the merger of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards and 1st The Queen’s Dragoon Guards, known as the Welsh Cavalry. There will also be cuts to the Royal Regiment of Artillery, Royal Logistic Corps and other support regiments.

    One suggestion said to have been put forward by Downing Street was saving all infantry battalions by cutting them from 600 to 400 troops but that was rejected by Army chiefs.
    The Army celebrates Armed Forces Day today but morale is low after the latest round of redundancies led to officers being sacked close to qualifying for an immediate pension.

    The “super regiments” formed six years ago are each likely to have a battalion axed, amalgamated or turned into a Territorial Army unit.
    This could lead to the merging of 2 Bn and 3 Bn the Yorkshire Regiment, which still carry their illustrious old unit names of the Green Howards and the Duke of Wellington’s Regiment. It led one officer to remark: “What are they going to call it if they amalgamate? The 'Green Wellingtons’? It’s preposterous.”

    It is possible that a “super regiment” will be formed from the Royal Anglian Regiment, Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment and the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers. Proposed names are the East of England Regiment or the English Fusiliers.
    Lt Gen Carter will introduce a new formation called the Reaction Force, a division of three armoured brigades of two tank and three infantry regiments each. It will be used for expeditionary warfare.

    There will be second section — known as Adaptable Forces — of seven infantry brigades to be used for long-running deployments and standing commitments. However, it will have to draw significantly on a new force of 30,000 TA soldiers.
    An MoD spokesman said: “Recruitment performance is just one of the criteria determining the future shape of the Army. These are necessary changes due to the decisions which had to be made to tackle the multi-billion pound defence deficit inherited from the last government.”


    Battalions with foreign bias face axe in Army cuts - Telegraph

    lets invade Britain...:p
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Invading Britain brings nukes on your head... what I would do is wait for US lease on Diego Garcia to expire in 2016 and coordinate with Argentina, Spain and Cyprus to kick out Britain from illegally held territory.
     
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    do u really think that US will give up Diego Garcia after 2016...?? that base is way too important for US and its future plans...it will re negotiate for re-leasing of that island for sure...

    but Argentina Spain and Cyprus can enjoy Britain downsizing its military....
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    They don't have money and that is why they are wiping out their history!

    Survival or history is their major dilemma!
     
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    For Diego Garcia why someone need Argentina, Spain and Cyprus? :confused2:

    And there is no guarantee that you won't get nukes on your head after involving these three countries.

    OR

    I am wrong?
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    4 simultaneous attacks guarantees victory and resolves all disputes held against the British.

    They can't use nukes to defend overseas territories. They never threatened it last time they lost the Falklands.
     
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    Historic battalions that rely on foreign-born recruits for up to a fifth of their strength face being axed next week in the most significant reforms to the Army in a century.

    Gorkhas already axed ?? No more Royals and Fusiliers. Pakistanies and Indians (British Citizens) already penetrated the British Forces and may dominate in next 20 years. What is there to preserve now !!

    What expeditionary operations are the British talking about !! Expedition to Scotland !
     
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    according to British they are their territory so use of nukes cant be ruled out...

    they lost falkland...?? i thought they won...!!
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Nukes can't be used unless same threat is on them. They lost it for two months.
     
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    common armand...desperate times need desperate measures....losing territory mean losing your pride, so called past glory etc....nukes play an important part trying to regain it...!!
     
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    Excellent comment at the Telegraph link:

    Link: Battalions with foreign bias face axe in Army cuts - Telegraph
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    using nukes because you lose a territory would never be sanctioned. it has been done in the past and the threat never made. unless the British Isles themselves were in the target they can't. nukes keep others from nuking you.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    A plan of "Invade Britain 2020" might be underway by underground Paki army. Pakis are already about 1.2 million. Britain would love to be ruled by Pakis. :lol:

    Time for Pakis to takeover Britain.

    Muslim spits on British soldiers in parade



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    :lol:
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    And Brits are literally scared of the Pakis to even utter the word Pakis:bounce:

    Karma is such a Bitch. Brits are paying for their help to Pukis :dancemasti:
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    It would be interesting to see a Paki Mulla sitting in Buckingham Palace over royal throne.

    There might be a "Overthrowing Ceremony" live on worldwide TV where Queen would be forced be Royal Daasi of his Royal Highness Paki Mulla. :lol:

    There might be a family photo like below but of Paki Mulla with 5 wives.

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