Bangladeshi criminal gangs new challenge for Delhi Police

[Ray]

1st, Table states that Indian migrants stands with East European People in "Low Income group category",

There are a whole lot who are what is termed as 'Care Givers' - an euphemism for servants, if I am not mistaken.

 

[Tshering22]

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and, we also have a news as below about Canada. here, Canada put Pakistanis and Bangladeshis(East Pakistan) together, as it was before 1972. :ranger:

The irony is, These countries prefer illiterate and radical nationalities like Pakistanis and Bangaldeshi but will screen the well qualified Indian professionals there, and club them with these morons.

Well as they sow, so they reap.

 

[Tshering22]

It is time to give it back to these elements "Tit for Tat". Prosecute and execute will be the best remedy for a long run.

Secularists would rather see RSS members butchered on the streets of burning India, than allow hurt to their Bangladeshi Peaceful brothers.

 

[santosh10]

The irony is, These countries prefer illiterate and radical nationalities like Pakistanis and Bangaldeshi but will screen the well qualified Indian professionals there, and club them with these morons.

Well as they sow, so they reap.

@Ray

Bangladeshi man sentenced to 30 years for New York Fed bomb plot

Bangladeshi Quazi Ahsanullah displays a photograph of his son Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis as he weeps in his home in the Jatrabari neighborhood in north Dhaka, Bangladesh, in October 2012.

A judge sentenced a Bangladeshi man to 30 years in prison on Friday after he admitted that he intended to use a bomb in what U.S. authorities called a plot to blow up the New York Federal Reserve Bank.

Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, 22, who had pleaded guilty to the government's charge of "attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction" and faced life in prison, told the judge he now rejects radical Islam and apologized to the people of New York and the United States. Prosecutors had said Nafis had claimed on social media sites to have contacts with al Qaeda.

"I'm ashamed, I'm lost, I tried to do a terrible thing," said Nafis, who was arrested in October 2012 while trying to detonate what he believed to be a 1,000-pound bomb hidden in a van.

Instead, the van carried inert materials planted by an undercover FBI agent as part of a sting operation. Prosecutors said Nafis attempted to use a mobile phone to detonate the bogus device. :coffee:

Before handing down the sentence, Judge Carol Amon in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn said it was clear Nafis intended to go through with the plot in lower Manhattan.

"He continually dialed the cell phone number that he thought would explode the device," the judge said. Still, she said she was "prepared to accept that the remorse he had expressed is genuine."

Had Nafis been able to accomplish what he had set out to do, prosecutor James Loonam said, it would have been "a Boston Marathon style terrorist attack." In April, home-made bombs killed three people and injured 264 others near the marathon finish line.

Loonam asked the judge to punish Nafis within the federal sentencing guidelines of 30 years to life in prison.

The defense asked for a more lenient sentence of 20 years for Nafis, who wore khaki prison overalls and handcuffs.

He had a strict, isolated upbringing and his upper middle class parents sometimes beat him for failing to focus enough on his studies, once so severely he temporarily went mute when he was 6 years old, said his court-appointed defense lawyer Heidi Cesare. As a university student in Dhaka, Bangladesh, he got his first taste of freedom and became radicalized by other students, she said.

According to a criminal complaint unsealed in October, Nafis entered the United States in 2012 with a student visa, and eventually traveled to the New York City borough of Queens.

It said he scouted targets for a potential attack, including the New York Stock Exchange and President Barack Obama, settling eventually on the Federal Reserve Bank in Manhattan.

Nafis attempted to recruit others to his plot, and discussed his plans over social media sites such as Facebook, the complaint said. He claimed he was in contact with al Qaeda operatives overseas and actively sought out new al Qaeda connections in the United States, the complaint said.

One of the individuals he brought on board was an undercover agent working for the FBI, who monitored Nafis' activities and helped arm him with the inoperable explosives, federal authorities said. :coffee:

Bangladeshi man sentenced to 30 years for New York Fed bomb plot - U.S. News

as now we finding people of Pakistan and Bangladesh more willing to visit India, the news like as below would also have a place here, i think

Police reportedly have arrested five suspects in Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city, for planning an attack at the home of a National Assembly member, using a suicide bomber-for-hire and explosives expert that they hired for just $15,000.

nydailynews.com/news/world/suicide-bomber-sale-pakistan-investigation-reveals-article-1.355774

A Pakistani official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named because of the sensitive nature of the topic, said the going price for child bombers was $7,000 to $14,000 - huge sums in Pakistan, where per-capita income is about $2,600 a year.0

washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/02/taliban-buying-children-to-serve-as-suicide-bomber/#ixzz3AiP69H6k

 

[santosh10]

I agree that everywhere where there is a level playing field, they seem to behind.

Interestingly, the Bangladeshi Muslims seem to be ahead of the genuine Arab and Arab self cloned Muslims.

One wonders why.

It is the fault of community which lags the rest of communities in a nation. Why have Indians settled overseas have been more successful compared to the Muslim Immigrants? This blame game has to stop, as it is only waste the time by creating unnecessary debates on the issue. He should take a lead by being a leader to spread the awareness about the education for girls and boys alike.

Helping those rogue nations in India, as an Arm, US/UK/Australia/Canada themselves dont want

sir, when you talk about the Indian Muslims, mainly those who are coming from Bangladesh, then their poverty is mainly because of the fact that, "bigger the family, more their young age people will work in small shops and bring the money home..." its a type of family business

you can't ever fix the poverty of Bangladesh type Least Developed country, having population over 200million in such a small area of this very poor country,... population of Bangladesh was hardly around 36million in 1947, at the time of freedom, with around 23million Muslims and around 11 million Hindus that time. while now population ratio of Hindus has been reduced from 31% in 1947 to hardly around 10% to total Bangladeshi population. their Muslims population rose from 23 million in 1947 to over 180million in this small part of world since 1947.....

if you need to defend you family, your coming generation, then control on this incoming 'gravest' threat to Indian society from Bangladesh, is the biggest challenge on India at present. Muslim population double in every 20 years, and if you ever think to free these people to enter India, it would simply break down Eastern Part of India......

we always favor Bangladeshi population to shift to US/UK/Australia/Canada, when we see how these western nations supporting this rogue nation in India, but how inviting destruction to this country is justified???? i always advocate to support Bangladesh in Bangladesh, and Pakistan in Pakistan as compare to help them in India....

helping Bangladeshi infiltrators enter India under False Indian Hindu IDs, while these western nations themselves don't want to take these shiits to their own country???? why dont they take these people to their own country, as compare to help them destroy our homes in India????

until US/UK/Australia dont use their own wealth to help this overly populated rogue nation, how is it justify to see them helping this rogue nation taking over our wealth in India?

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I agree that everywhere where there is a level playing field, they seem to behind.

Interestingly, the Bangladeshi Muslims seem to be ahead of the genuine Arab and Arab self cloned Muslims.

One wonders why.

over 80% population of Bangladesh fall below International poverty line, with over 200million Muslim population in such a small country. having kids only to throw to other countries, how did you take this conclusion?

how did you compare those shiits of Bangladesh to other countries, who taking birth to run to other countries only

while we find Pakistani+Bangladeshis as the poorest migrants in any part of world they move????

 

[santosh10]

You're assuming that most of these immigrants are hardworking productive people who look for jobs. Why have you made that assumption? Most Bangladeshi illegals are probably just begging in India and aren't contributing to the economy in any significant way, or even worse taking to a life of crime. The Indians who go to America are intelligent and industrious people. You're not getting that kind of immigration here. Bangladesh is not so much worse off than India that their cream would come to India looking for jobs. That's not how it works. You're just adding to your population which further puts strain on the economy and disadvantages the Indian citizens who you have more of an obligation to, in the first place. Even if they take up jobs, they're replacing Indians who need those jobs. India is not a developed nation like the US where you have expensive domestic labour and people not willing to work the hard jobs. India does not need Bangladeshi immigration to meet its needs. It might be able to handle legal immigration where you pick and choose who gets to immigrate. The precise terms and procedure would have to be fleshed out but sure I can see how legal immigration could benefit India. Right now you're scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as immigrants go and this isn't beneficial in any way.

I haven't even addressed the impact of illegal immigration on the social fabric of India, which is a whole different beast altogether. You're getting culture/religious clashes when those illegals reach a threshold and decide to make residence in cities all over India. They stick together like a cohesive unit, which gives them a good amount of power on the street to challenge the locals as they see fit. This creates a precarious situation on the streets where violence rules the day. Take the example of Assam and the impact that muslim illegals have had there. You're looking at large amounts of havoc here. At the end of the day, illegals just aren't worth it.

@Ray

Big Muslim Families as a Business, mainly those who are coming from Bangladesh

sir, you can't remove poverty of Muslims of South Asian region, like how we see Muslim families having big families just to send their young age kids to small shops to bring money home. hence having big families as a 'business', in fact.

while increasing population to achieve religious goals is another issue.....

population of Bangladesh was around 36million at the time of freedom, in 1947. when Muslim population was around 23million with Hindus around 11million in East Pakistan/Bangladesh that time. while the Hindu population has been reduced to below 10% to total Bangladeshi population now, while the 23 million Bangladeshi Muslim population has now exceeded 180million+ mark to date.....

just consider the case here that people taking birth in Bangladesh, to come to India and work for the lowest pay, and sending money to their families based in Bangladesh. its not just the issue of Climate Change, considering "Population Based on Resource Sufficiency Evaluation", having as much population that Bangladesh may feed its people with the limited resources it has. as compare to throw your people to other countries.....

its worse to see people dying without dignity and coming to India, begging here this way...

and the way we see US/UK/Australia/Canada helping these two rogue nations in India, the Bangladesh+Pakistan, why dont they take these Bangladeshi infiltrators shiits to their own countries, as compare to destroy our homes in India???? why dont these western nations use their own wealth to help these two overly populated Islamic Fanatic countries, Bangladesh+Pak, as compare to help them here in India?

 

[santosh10]

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I prepared a post in this regard as below, which may have a place here too, i think :thumb:


=> A Country is Responsible to Build Itself Only

we can only have better friendship/ trade relations with other nations, including our neighbors

I also discussed that its very simple to talk to the representatives of Pakistan/ Bangladesh, if you have fair intentions. India is responsible to build its own society, Chinese is for China and yes they have done the work to an extent, Brazilians are doing so too, and similarly Pakistan/ Bangladesh have to do little more to build their society.with respect to the level of population of Bangladesh, which is more than even the largest country of the world by area, Russia, no one would let them enter in their country straight away from the border, no one will offer them citizenship on arrival, and there is no need to invite destruction to this country only


we have seen may minorities sitting on the border of India-Pakistan, also running from Bangladesh due to local riots/ Sectarian Wars, as discussed in the thread too, but we can hardly make 100 times request to our neighbors to have more sympathy for their minorities, who are badly suffered from Sectarian Wars there. but we mustn't let this problem come to India, definitely not :no: . we can only have good friendship/ trade with others, but we certainly can't interfere in other countries, nor they can do the same with India too.....

and with that, we always welcome all those countries who invite people from Bangladesh-Pakistan as India is already overly populated :thumb:


=> Our Freedom, The Independence We Got in 1947

and its all about our Freedom/ Independence we got in 1947, as discussed before. there was a time when we had "Super Human" as British, while now we have "Equal Rights" for all the people of India, with Equal Opportunities, regardless their religion/ race/ language/ state etc, along with providing more opportunities to the weak part of Indian Society like Schedule Caste and Female in different jobs/ exams, with scholarships for them only etc, and that's fair. we now pay tax to that Indian government which use the tax money to help the people based in India itself, develop infrastructure in India to improve life of the people based in India, while before that we were paying tax to those British to help them in their wars. Mr Gandhi struggled to have Industries in India, who may then provide jobs to Indians and hence pay taxes to Indian government for the purpose to use this tax revenue for the people based in India. and yes we have got that 'freedom', and trying to improve. and we now proud to say that we have made a place where the most deserving people get higher success, regardless in which family they took birth, (of any religion/ race/ language/state etc). and we hope India will become one of the best place to live by using their talent/ knowledge this way

but we find Pakistan/ Bangladesh still on the same colonized state, where all the people of all the community don't have equal rights/ equal opportunities, highly violent and overly populated. but here again, we may hardly show our best wishes for them, but we certainly can't let India destroyed for any reason, whether secularism or anything else.... we may either request our neighbors to help their people who are running from there, or, we may hardly request rest of the world to invite them, but we certainly can't compromise with our 'freedom'/ 'independence' of India.
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=> A concept to divide India

here i remember, it has been a type of discussion, "if you unite Bangladesh to WB and Indian Punjab to Pakistani Punjab on the name of language, then they would finally break down on the name of religion."

(and interestingly, it was mainly concerned with finding out, "how to break down North East region from India......")

and yes, partition of India in 1947 occurred on the name of religion itself.......

there are too many duplicate people from these two neighbors of India taking Indian IDs, representing Indian overseas too, while many of them have got enough space in this country to date also. and hence it will really be interesting to see how Indian government agencies handle this type of attack on the Integrity of India :ranger:

 

[santosh10]

@averageamerican

25,000 Muslim rioters torch Buddhist temples, homes in Bangladesh

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A statue of Lord Buddha is left standing amidst the torched ruins of the Lal Ching Buddhist temple at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) from the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

Tens of thousands of rioters left a trail of destruction in southeastern Bangladesh as they torched Buddhist temples and homes near the town of Ramu. The violence was sparked by a photo posted on Facebook that allegedly insulted Islam.

A 25,000-strong mob set fire to at least five temples and dozens of homes throughout the town and surrounding villages after seeing the picture, which they claimed was posted by Uttam Barua, a local Buddhist man, AFP reported.

The group chanted God is Great while setting fire to the centuries-old temples.

"I have seen 11 wooden temples, two of them 300 years old, torched by the mob. They looted precious items and Buddha statues from the temples. Shops owned by Buddhists were also looted," local journalist Sunil Barua said.

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Statues are pictured at the burnt Buddhist temple of Shima Bihar at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) southeast of the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

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A Bangladeshi man stands amidst the torched ruins of the Buddhist temple called Ramu Moitree Bihar (Ramu Friendship Temple) at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) southeast of the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

Security forces were deployed to contain the uprising: "At least 100 houses were damaged. We called in army and border guards to quell the violence," district administrator Joinul Bari said.

No casualties were reported, and authorities did not confirm whether police arrested any of the rioters.

Buddhist monks protested against the attacks on Sunday, forming a human chain in the country's capital of Dhaka.

Bangladeshi Home Minister Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir said the attacks were pre-planned, and vowed to bring the perpetrators to justice. :coffee:


A temple burnt by Muslims is seen in Cox"²s Bazar September 30, 2012 (Reuters / Stringer)

"The attack was conducted in a coordinated manner. Temples and houses were set on fire using patrol and gun powder. It would have been impossible if the attacks were not planned," he told Bangladesh Bd news24.

The government will provide financial assistance for reconstruction of the damaged houses and temple, Alamgir said.

Before launching their attacks, Muslims publicly rallied against the picture and called for Barua's arrest. However, several Facebook users said that Barua did not post the photo, and that he was linked to the photo after group called 'Insult Allah' tagged his name on the image.


Religious tensions on the rise


Bangladeshi Buddhist monks form a human chain during a protest against attacks on Buddhist temples and homes, in front of national press club in Dhaka September 30, 2012 (Reuters / Andrew Biraj)

Buddhists make up less than one percent of Bangladesh's population, and sectarian clashes between they and the country's Muslim majority are rare. Tensions between the communities have risen since June, when deadly clashes erupted between Buddhists and Muslim Rohingya in nearby Myanmar.

Thousands of Muslims also took to the streets across Bangladesh over the past few weeks in protest against a US-made video and French cartoons that mock the Prophet Muhammad.

On Saturday, tens of thousands of activists from the Islamist group Jamiyat-e-Hizbullah protested the video and cartoons near the national mosque in Dhaka.

A Bangladeshi man stands amidst the torched ruins of the Buddhist temple called Ramu Moitree Bihar (Ramu Friendship Temple) at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) southeast of the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

Bangladeshi Buddhist monks form a human chain during a protest against attacks on Buddhist temples and homes, in front of national press club in Dhaka September 30, 2012 (Reuters / Andrew Biraj)

//rt.com/news/buddhist-temples-torched-bangladesh-342/

25,000 Muslim rioters torch Buddhist temples, homes in Bangladesh (PHOTOS)

 

[santosh10]

something more as below :ranger:

//youtu.be/LQOghIetg3Q

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=> Bangladesh minorities 'terrorised' after mob violence
9 March 2013

Residents of the village of Aladin Nagarhave been living in fear since the attack last month

Saraswati Rani Das ran for her life with her two young children when a Muslim mob rampaged through her village in the southern Noakhali district of Bangladesh.

Mrs Das broke down repeatedly as she tried to explain how their tiny tin-roof house was destroyed and set on fire.

The attack started hours after a senior hardline Islamist leader was sentenced to death by a special tribunal in late February.

Jamaat-e-Islami party Vice President Delwar Hossain Sayedee was given a death sentence for crimes committed during the war of independence from Pakistan in 1971.

The sentencing triggered a wave of angry protests from the Islamist party's supporters. In many districts, buildings and vehicles were damaged. More than 60 people were killed in clashes with the security forces.


Living in fear

Minority Hindu and Buddhist communities bore the brunt of the attacks as their houses and temples were vandalised and burnt down.

"We heard the mob was coming towards our house. So, we just ran away. Our house was completely burnt. They looted all our belongings, including our savings. We have lost everything," Mrs Das says.

The village of Aladin Nagar, about 120km (75 miles) south of the capital Dhaka, was strewn with torn tin sheets, broken glass, food grain, damaged books and burnt bicycles.

Its residents have been living in fear since the attack and are afraid that they may be targeted again.

Hindu community leaders allege that the attacks were co-ordinated and widespread. So far, they say, more than 50 temples have been damaged and more than 1,500 houses destroyed in the attacks, which took place in nearly 20 districts over the last few weeks.

In some villages near the southern city of Chittagong, statues of Buddha were damaged and Buddhist temples were vandalised.

But the authorities say that such crimes will not go unpunished.

"We are fully committed to protecting the minorities. We have taken enough measures so that these people are not attacked in the future. We have also provided sufficient relief," Home Minister Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir told the BBC.


'Targeted again'

Hindus make up nearly 10% of the population of about 153 million in this Muslim-majority nation. The two communities live side by side in villages across Bangladesh.

Muslim community leaders have condemned the attacks.

"This should not have happened. We feel sorry about it. It is not in the Holy Koran," Noakhali district cleric Mohammad Nurul Alam Bhuiyan said.

While people like Mrs Das witnessed communal violence for the first time, Hindu businessmen like Subash Chandra Ghosh in southern Satkhira district say it was similar to what happened to them in 1971, when Bangladesh fought a bloody nine-month war against Pakistan to gain independence.

"In 1971, our house was damaged and our neighbour's house was set on fire by anti-liberation forces. We are being targeted again. What should we do?" laments Mr Ghosh, who fought for independence.

Some say the minorities are attacked because they mostly support the governing Awami League party and are a soft target.

Bangladesh has long prided itself on its secular values - but that image has taken a knock following the recent violence.

Buddhist villages in Cox's Bazar district also came under attack by Muslim mobs last year, when an image allegedly insulting the Koran was posted on Facebook by a Buddhist youth. Many Buddhist temples were vandalised in the subsequent violence.


War crimes

Investigations by the local media later revealed the youth had nothing to do with the incident.

The independence war came to an end after India sent in troops on behalf of the Bengalis. More than 90,000 Pakistani soldiers and officers surrendered to the Indian army and were taken as prisoners of war.

Official estimates say more than three million were killed and tens of thousands of women raped during the war. The minority Hindu community suffered disproportionately because some Pakistanis blamed them for Bangladesh's secession.

A special tribunal in Bangladesh is prosecuting those accused of collaborating with Pakistani forces and carrying out atrocities more than 40 years ago.

The recent violence is mainly blamed on the opposition Jamaat-e-Islami party, whose leaders are facing war crimes at the tribunal. But the party - which opposed Bangladesh's independence from Pakistan - denies the charges.

"The Jamaat-e-Islami is a peaceful political party and they do not encourage any violent activities. People who took part in the attack on minorities belong to other political parties," asserts Mohammad Tajul Islam, a Jamaat leader in Noakhali district.

Hindu community leaders say the attacks are systematic and have been going on for years. They say they are not only carried out by hardline Islamists but also by supporters of other mainstream political parties, including the Awami League and the main opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party. :ranger:

The aim of the violence, Hindu leaders allege, is to grab land and other property. As a result, they say, many Hindus are fleeing to India to escape harassment, intimidation and violence.

"In 1947, Hindus constituted around 30% of the population," says Subroto Chowdhury, a Hindu community leader in Dhaka.

"Now it is less than 10%. Hindus are being warned to leave so that locals can take over their land and houses.

"Our community is being persecuted."

But Mr Alamgir, the home minister, says historically there have been movement of Hindus to India and Muslims to Bangladesh - because of various incidents.

"These are aberrations. The governments of the two countries are determined to make sure that they stay in full peace and security."

And people like Mr Ghosh say they will resist attempts to drive them away from Bangladesh.

"This is our motherland and we have been living here for 25 generations. We cannot imagine of leaving this land. This is our country."

bbc.com/news/world-asia-21712655

BBC News - Bangladesh minorities 'terrorised' after mob violence

 

[santosh10]

//youtu.be/LQOghIetg3Q

@Ray

The Democracy of Numbers

sir, population of Hindus in India reduced from 88% in 1947 to below 80% at present. while that in Bangladesh, Hindus population decreased from over 30% in 1947 to below 10% at present..... how would you people see this number change in these two countries since Independence, since 1947...
(while state of minorities of Pakistan is worse to state, where now Shia-Sunni clashes only come in light, and Pakistan+Bangladesh(east Pakistan) were part of India till 1947, before Independence...)

how would you see attacks on the Hindus-Buddhists and other minorities by the local Bangladeshi Muslims in number over 25,000??? i dont think the government may do much in this type of Democratic Clashes, when people get united in number over tens of thousands, you cant put them all in jails.....

after a crush of the communities in smaller numbers, you may hardly have sympathy for the victims :ranger:

even if Hindus were 88% to total population in 1947, India remained a non-religious country, while Pakistan+East Pakistan(Bangladesh) too birth as an Islamic State. how you people see liberal Hindu community, and its consequences on the Hindu Community as whole?

 

[santosh10]

You're assuming that most of these immigrants are hardworking productive people who look for jobs. Why have you made that assumption? Most Bangladeshi illegals are probably just begging in India and aren't contributing to the economy in any significant way, or even worse taking to a life of crime. The Indians who go to America are intelligent and industrious people. You're not getting that kind of immigration here. Bangladesh is not so much worse off than India that their cream would come to India looking for jobs. That's not how it works. You're just adding to your population which further puts strain on the economy and disadvantages the Indian citizens who you have more of an obligation to, in the first place. Even if they take up jobs, they're replacing Indians who need those jobs. India is not a developed nation like the US where you have expensive domestic labour and people not willing to work the hard jobs. India does not need Bangladeshi immigration to meet its needs. It might be able to handle legal immigration where you pick and choose who gets to immigrate. The precise terms and procedure would have to be fleshed out but sure I can see how legal immigration could benefit India. Right now you're scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as immigrants go and this isn't beneficial in any way.

I haven't even addressed the impact of illegal immigration on the social fabric of India, which is a whole different beast altogether. You're getting culture/religious clashes when those illegals reach a threshold and decide to make residence in cities all over India. They stick together like a cohesive unit, which gives them a good amount of power on the street to challenge the locals as they see fit. This creates a precarious situation on the streets where violence rules the day. Take the example of Assam and the impact that muslim illegals have had there. You're looking at large amounts of havoc here. At the end of the day, illegals just aren't worth it.

@Ray

thats a very competent post, indeed.....


=> There must always be a logic to Handle Issue of Bangladeshi Infiltrators


Few Basics for the Bangladeshi illegal migrants

few points i may summarize as below:-

1st: as in the above post, is this how the Indian professionals go to US/UK/Australia etc, like how Bangladeshis take bag and cross the border? is it so easy to get even a 'Transit Visa' in US/UK/Australia on the way to somewhere else? check and get it confirmed..... :ranger:

2nd: and here, why does the India with 1.25billion population need illiterate workers from this highly populated country, where minority Hindu-Buddhist never had secured life? what exactly they may do for this country, and do Indian civilians need extra burden on economy, to lose un-skilled jobs to these unwanted people, in place of our own people living below poverty line, and why?

3rd; we have example of North East region, as discussed in the thread as below too. and its simply because, illiterate people mainly fight for religion-race, whether poor Indians or Bangladeshis, they aren't like even the educated Bangladeshis who do politics on forums. why to invite those very poor, illiterate of world, who would only create problems for this country? if India itself has over 400million people below poverty line?

//defenceforumindia.com/forum/internal-security/63875-bangladeshi-criminal-gangs-new-challenge-delhi-police.html

4th; im also running a thread based on, "Population Based on Resource Sufficiency Evaluation", and here, why would we let others come here, if India isn't prepared yet to reduce its population to be fed by the limited resources it has? how will we build confidence among the Indian civilians to reduce overall population, if we let extra burden come here from this very high populated, Islamic Fanatic country?

//defenceforumindia.com/forum/economy-infrastructure/64029-sustainable-world-population-based-resource-sufficiency-evaluation.html

5th; we always favor Bangladeshis to be provided with extra assess to the new continents like North America, South America, Asia Pacific region, mainly to the Muslim countries who would be more happy with inflow of Muslim migrants/workers. but how inviting destruction to this country is advised for any reason, and why are we wrong to defend ourselves in India, our homes, our family based here?

6th; and at the end, whole world know that partition of India occurred on religious basis, even if India remained a non-religious country, as compare to the birth of Islamic Pakistan. and East Pakistan, the current Bangladesh, got its land after scoring over 10,000 Hindu people in Kolkatta city, mass murder-rapes they did to get their East Pakistan separated from India in 1947, when Mr Gandhi refused the partition of India in beginning. and once you have got what you wanted, why do you wish to create problems for us, our family based in remaining India, again?

(the great Calcutta Killing of 1946, the capital of India that time, is known to whole world. while that time Muslim population was hardly around 23million in East Pakistan(Bangladesh) in 1947, with 11million Hindus, at the time of freedom. while now Hindu population in Bangladesh(East Pakistan) has been reduced from 32% in 1947 to less than 10% of today's Bangladesh's population.....while in India, Hindu population reduced from 88% to below 80% at present, while Muslims population in today's non-religious India increased from 7.8% in 1947 to over 16% at present, the facts we all know on the world's platform....)

we have every right to defend ourselves. if the Indian government free Sri Lanka, Burma, Nepal type countries, its a very different issue because of very small non-Muslim population in these countries. even if Burma and Nepal also fall among the Least Developed Countries of world, similar to Bangladesh, who are dependent on Humanitarian Aids to run the country.

nationsonline.org/oneworld/least_developed_countries.htm

we are simply threatened with these 2 very densely populated Muslim countries, the Pakistan and Bangladesh, and we have every right to defend ourselves, our families based here, true.

over 1.0million murders resulted during the Hindu-Muslim-Sikh riots on the eastern and western Pakistan border during the 1947 Independence. and as population of Pakistan and East Pakistan (Bangladesh) have risen from 34million and 36 million respectively to closed to around 200million+ each, with too poor state of minorities religious groups there, we simply dont want to invite destruction to the remaining India we have at present......

with that, we request rest of the world to invite those hard working Bangladeshis, who believe they may contribute good in their countries. India is already over populated, we simply can't feed even the current Indian population with the limited resources we have, until we start reducing population from now.....

=> with that, on my personal level, i favor direct citizenship to those kids of Bangladeshi migrants, whose at least one parent, either father or mother, was an Indian citizen by birth, for the kids who took birth on the soil of India... preferably to Gandhian Caste of Hindus, the caste adopted by the second PM of India, Mr LB Shastri too.....

and for those who have entered here without any visa, would be put on the trial first. and yes, good character people, in a limited number, may be allowed to continue staying here in India. as displaced people aren't considered criminals in world, if they come to any country on their true Identifications, in tough circumstances. and rest of those, India doesn't need, would be deported back to Bangladesh, a general practice done by most of countries of world. with putting a proper case on those, who were part of any wrong activities in India, while their illegal stay here too....


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You're assuming that most of these immigrants are hardworking productive people who look for jobs. Why have you made that assumption? Most Bangladeshi illegals are probably just begging in India and aren't contributing to the economy in any significant way, or even worse taking to a life of crime. The Indians who go to America are intelligent and industrious people. You're not getting that kind of immigration here. Bangladesh is not so much worse off than India that their cream would come to India looking for jobs. That's not how it works. You're just adding to your population which further puts strain on the economy and disadvantages the Indian citizens who you have more of an obligation to, in the first place. Even if they take up jobs, they're replacing Indians who need those jobs. India is not a developed nation like the US where you have expensive domestic labour and people not willing to work the hard jobs. India does not need Bangladeshi immigration to meet its needs. It might be able to handle legal immigration where you pick and choose who gets to immigrate. The precise terms and procedure would have to be fleshed out but sure I can see how legal immigration could benefit India. Right now you're scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as immigrants go and this isn't beneficial in any way.

@Ray

sir, its really a joke of the day, Bangladeshi people cross borders and enter India in the same way as Indian Professionals migrate to US/West . is this how people get green card in US?

just to complete state of Bangladesh in world,

few basics about the current state of Bangladesh as below:-

1st; Bangladesh 'qualify' among the most poor LDCs members as below, the Least Developed Countries, a list where even half of the African countries don't get a place, to receive humanitarian aids to run their country, as below. read it as below

nationsonline.org/oneworld/least_developed_countries.htm

2nd; one more to compare living standard of Bangladesh, the nation as whole. Bangladesh is generally used as a 'benchmark' to compare US with the least of the world, as below. its a good note for Bangladesh, in fact, but it does show them a real picture in world, how much energy do you use as compare to rest of world? comparison of living standard of a child born in US with the least of the world as below. in response to the above post :ranger:

The size of the carbon legacy is closely tied to consumption patterns. Under current conditions, a child born in the United States will be responsible for almost seven times the carbon emissions of a child born in China and 168 times the impact of a child born in Bangladesh. :thumb:

biologicaldiversity.org/programs/population_and_sustainability/climate/

3rd;- Pakistan, which doesn't fall among the LDCs, does so many missile tests, 300+ fighters aircraft they have, a proper military base, along with nuclear too. here, how many missiles Bangladesh have tested, as compare to Hatf series of Pakistan? just one????? they do have around 10-12 Mig29s to fly, can they face a 'face to face', like how Pakistan keep around 100 F16s with among the best pilots too, with 100+ Jf17s, 100+ old mirages too, with a pool of submarines and other military arms? their only strength is to get help from US/UK and enter here as false ID people, and get high positions, on false Hindu names, from back door...

4th; any list of infrastructure developments, like electricity production/world class ports/airport etc? too poor state, not to mention. here again they fall among the LDCs member of Africa, only

5th; whats the literacy rate of these people crossing the border? more than half of the population of Bangladesh are illiterates, only fight for religion, do any job they get here, the least paid people in the eastern region of India.....

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

US has a policy to keep these people hopeful in India. and as a so big population, they do are a 'people power' with closed to 200million+, a very united Muslim population on the name of Bangla language too. crushing Buddhist and Hindu population in numbers of tens of thousand in unity, is also discussed in this thread.... they have entered here from back door, trying for the wealth of this country somehow, with support from the US/UK too, and this is their only hope for a prosper future

 

[santosh10]

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Standing of BRIC's Firms in World

we have an update of listing of firms of BRIC economies as below:

1st; The World's Most Innovative Companies - Forbes

forbes.com/innovative-companies/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:South%20Asia_filter:All%20industries

here we find 5 Indian firms having a place among the top 100 of world
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2nd; Asia's Fab 50 Companies - Forbes

forbes.com/fab50/#page:5_sort:0_direction:asc_search:

here we find 12 Indian firms having a place in this above list of Asia's top 50
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3rd; World's Largest 2000 Public Companies - Forbes

forbes.com/global2000/list/

here we find 54 Indian firms having a place in the above list. and yes, Pakistan too from South Asia having 2 companies in the above list.....
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=> Big Mouth of Bangladeshi Members, worth for nothing

There is no need to blame or fear Bangladesh. Bangladeshis are basically very nice, innocent people. Blame the Indians. The Hindu leaders in India today are no different from the Hindu kings a thousand years ago - constantly fighting among themselves, allowing other people to grab our land, etc. So blame Hindus for being greedy, so greedy that they're ready to give up our land for votes or other political benefits. Hindus have always been political prostitutes, will even compromise national security for the sake of power or money. Others, like the immigrants, are simply exploiting this tendency. So why blame others?

@Ray
@genius , a nation is made by its people, who altogether make the nation proud by their knowledge/talent/performance. in the above 3 lists of Forbes, a person like me would certainly be surprised to see 2 Pakistani firms also having a place in this top 2000 largest firms of world, true. but, i won't be surprised if i dont see any Bangladeshi firm having a place in any of the above list by the next 10-15 years

Bangladesh, a nation of 200 million people. except having False Indian-Hindu names and enter India, have got some position in government also by the bless of superpower US. here, do you have any credibility within Bangladesh????? something you may say here, as per your name as Genius??

so big mouth of Bangladeshi people, worth for nothing....... saying Indian works in Bangladesh, while we know them Bangladeshis having false Indian IDs, and working there. the Indian IDs, Bangladeshi government 'circulate' among them, after buying Indian IDs, as part of Bangladeshi annual Budget......

you yourself claims to be an Indian Hindu on this forum, working in Bangladesh as a software engineering, as per your claim. while we generally know Bangladesh as a member of LDCs, among the most poor countries of world, hence depends on the "Humanitarian aid" to run the government, similar to other LDC member countries. and their people crossing Indian border, work for the least paid job here in India. we generally talk, "it would take upto 20years+, for Bangladesh to come to the level of Pakistan type countries." :ranger:

//data.worldbank.org/region/LDC

so big mouth of these False Indian ID holders of Bangladesh keep on forums, any firm which may have a place in the above lists by even the next decade?

and yes, Indian firms, no matter who own it, got the above status by the people of India, raised them to this level by their knowledge-performance by the people of India. who sell their products to 400million+ strong middle class of India, and hence making profit within India to get a place in the above list. and my this statement is just concerning those False ID holders in India, "any wealth made within India belongs to the voters of India, and its tax payers, to the people of India based here."

as now even soul of people is transferred by the other nationals, we now have "occupied" bodies of people by other nations too, whoever impressed US in past. but we do hope US/UK to withdraw their support from the rogue nations in future

 

[Bangalorean]

@santosh10 You can keep whining about Bangladeshis, but at the end of the day it's only Hindu politicians who allow them here, allow these things to happen. But instead of blaming Hindu politicians, you're blaming Bangladeshis.

Hindu AND Muslim politicians.

 

[santosh10]

@santosh10 You can keep whining about Bangladeshis, but at the end of the day it's only Hindu politicians who allow them here, allow these things to happen. But instead of blaming Hindu politicians, you're blaming Bangladeshis.

you yourself claim to be an Indian Hindu working in Bangladesh on a work visa, as a software engineer? :ranger:

 

[santosh10]

@Ray @Bangalorean

I used to work there, yes. Not at the moment, though. Not seeing how any of this is relevant to the subject matter.

hmmm, when we talk about "Hindu Terrorists" of 'Indian' Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab of Mumbai attack, we mainly find them coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh....
(we never face any 'inside' attacks by any Pakistani or Bangladeshi Muzahidin...)

so, it does relate to you? :ranger:


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the Greatest Challenge Imposed on India, the Nation

False ID holders coming to India, fueled and funded by its rogue neighbors, is the biggest challenge on India at present. these false Id holders having Indian IDs are now representing India in India and overseas, in mass numbers in fact. i even know many Pakistani Muslims in Sikh turbans living in Canada too.....

and Azmal Kasab with Hindu type red stings on his hands as below is the best example we have right now.....

with the fact that you won't get anyone alive like Kasab next time, who attacked on local Shivaji Station just to organized Hindu-Muslim riots in Mumbai, even if they were holding Taj/Obrai hotels. these false ID holders of Pakistan and Bangladesh needs to be tackled as the first step of foreign policy. a man was caught otherwise India might be facing Hindu-Muslim riots similar to early 90s, and Indian government agencies won't have luxury to get someone alive next time, its also true.......

ndtv.com/news/images/story_page/Ajmal-kasab-295x200.jpg

morningcable.com/media/k2/items/cache/1a26a40d0b9098c34302af403e36d494_L.jpg

currentaffairsonline.in/google/news_images/large/12091347960127aj.jpg

=> @Ray
"Indian" Muzahidin coming from Pakistan and Bangladesh, with Hindu Type Red Stings on hands like Azmal Kasab in the above picture, and then we find them having support in this regard in India itself, as per the news as below

The Secret Plot to Blame India

Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy

On May 21, 2009, Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole surviving Pakistani gunman from the 26/11 attack, was giving evidence in the court of Justice M.L. Tahaliyani at Mumbai's Arthur Road prison. Suddenly, he dropped a name. The person, he said, who had been their principal guide during the 60-hour operation from a control room in Karachi was Abu Jundal. No one in India had heard this name. Some were puzzled. Prosecution lawyer UjjwalNikam believed it was misinformation. And, as so often, the name Abu Jundal disappeared into a file.

Three years later, on June 21, 2012, Saudi Arabia bundled a wanted Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) operative, Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, 30, on a plane and sent him to New Delhi. Ansari had more than one alias; among them was Abu Jundal. When Kasab, from his Mumbai cell, heard that Abu Jundal had been deported by the Saudis and was a captive in India, he became, say his jailors, contemplative. The final pieces of a complex puzzle was coming together. Perhaps the most deceptive element in the exhaustive planning that had gone into the barbaric terrorist attack on Mumbai, conceived by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and implemented by LeT, was a poisonous sting in the tail. When the horror that took 166 lives was over, the ISI wanted to leave behind enough false trails to implicate Indians for its most spectacular offensive against India.

It was a plot in which Ansari was a key protagonist. Born in Gevrai village in Maharashtra's Beed district, he completed his matriculation and did an Industrial Training Institute course to become an electrician. He became an anti-India radical after the 2002 Gujarat riots and went into the shadows of terrorism, first joining the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), then the LeT.

Ansari came on the police radar for another plot against India, in transporting a shipment of 43 kg of RDX, 16 AK-47 assault rifles and 50 hand grenades to Aurangabad in 2006. This shipment, meant for a terror attack, was intercepted by the Maharashtra police. Under pressure, Ansari contacted LeT and fled to Pakistan. His name entered the public domain when the Indian Government handed over a list of 50 Most Wanted Fugitives to the Pakistani authorities in March 2007.

But Ansari was proving to be an invaluable asset for the LeT. A highly committed operative, he knew the layout of the land and directed terrorists during the attack on Mumbai on November 26, 2008. He was involved in plotting the blast at Pune's German Bakery on February 13, 2010, that killed 17 people. But still, India did not know of his role in the 26/11 attack. The breakthrough came in May 2010 when the Delhi Police intercepted a call from an India-based terrorist, Ajmal, who was in touch with his Pakistani handler. Ajmal had planned an attack on foreigners during the Commonwealth Games in Delhi that year. He referred to his handler as Abu Jundal. The agencies tracked Jundal down inside Pakistan. He was using the alias of Riyasat Ali and shuttled between LeT's headquarters in Muridke, near Lahore, and Karachi. Then they made a stunning discovery. Jundal, Riyasat Ali and Zabiuddin Ansari were the same person. Now they waited for their target to travel out of Pakistan.

In early 2011, Pakistan issued a passport to him, and sent him to Saudi Arabia to recruit potential jihadis from Indian labourers on behalf of LeT. In the oil-rich port of Dammam, Ansari ran a small taxi rental business, posing as Pakistani national Riyasat Ali. The US intelligence alerted the Saudis about Ansari's terrorist links; Riyadh put him under surveillance. Meanwhile, New Delhi provided the Arab kingdom with proof that Riyasat Ali was Zabiuddin Ansari, anLeT operative and originally an Indian citizen. DNA samples of his relatives were sent to the Saudi government even as the home ministry provided evidence of Ansari's involvement in the Aurangabad arms haul case. Islamabad, fearing that his deportation could explode their ploy of deniability, still maintained that he was a Pakistani citizen and wanted him back.

But the Saudis interrogated Ansari and discovered that he was indeed anLeT operative. They had to take a call. Should they stand by their long-time ally Pakistan and let Ansari remain in Dammam or stand by international law and hand him over to India? The Kingdom chose India.

At a safe house of the Delhi Police's Special Cell in the Capital's Lodhi colony, Ansari has been telling his interrogators details of the secret plot at the core of the deadly attack on Mumbai. The intent was to land a double sucker punch. The first blow would devastate Mumbai. The second blow would, with just enough 'evidence', promote conspiracy theories among a section of media, opinion makers and political leaders that Hindu militants were behind the carnage.

The conspiracy theorists didn't let Pakistan down. "There is more to it than meets the eye," former Maharashtra chief minister Abdul RehmanAntulay said outside the LokSabha on December 18, 2008, about the death of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad chief HemantKarkare. Karkare, Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte and Inspector Vijay Salaskar had been ambushed and killed by AjmalKasab and his accomplice Ismail Khan on November 26, 2008. Karkare was probing the Malegaon blasts, which had resulted in the arrests of Hindu fringe elements such as Lt-Col Shrikant Prasad Purohit, SadhviPragya Thakur and Swami Aseemanand. Much of the Urdu press in India placed the blame for the attack on a diabolical Zionist-RSS nexus. Aziz Burney, group editor of leading Urdu newspaper RoznamaRashtriya Sahara blamed Hindu extremists. 'Is there any connection between the 26/11 attack and the Malegaon terror attack?' screamed a headline in the daily on November 29. 'This is a joint terror operation by SanghParivar and Mossad' said the Urdu Times of November 30, 2008. On December 5, RoznamaRashtriya Sahara ran another story: 'Who do you believe, Kasab the terrorist, or Karkare the martyr?' The paper hinted that the 26/11 attack was the work of Hindu fundamentalists and an elaborate plot to silence Karkare. 'Hindu terrorists are behind Mumbai attacks' said the AkhbareMashriq on December 6, 2008. In September 2009, a retired Maharashtra inspector-general of police, S.M. Mushrif, in his book Who Killed Karkare?, blamed the Intelligence Bureau and Hindu extremists for 26/11. akistan:

The conspiracy theory was also enthusiastically bought by politicians who wanted to mine the Muslim vote. On December 6, 2010, senior Congress leader and former Madhya Pradesh chief minister Digvijaya Singh released Burney's book 26/11-RSS kiSaazish, which accused the RSS of planning and executing the 26/11 attack. Five days later, Singh claimed that Karkare had rung him up hours before he was gunned down and complained about threats and pressure from radical Hindu groups.

Ansari's confessions have further unravelled the secret Pakistani plot. He told interrogators of his role in teaching the 26/11 attackers Hindi. He would give them Hindi magazines and conduct conversations with them to sharpen their language skills before they left Karachi. He taught the attackers to blend into India-greet people with a proper 'namaste', maintain a low profile and be polite to women. There were other aspects to this smokescreen-the terrorists were made to wear sacred red threads bought for Rs.20 each by LeT scout David Coleman Headley from Mumbai's Siddhivinayak temple. All 10 terrorists carried fake identity cards of Arunodaya College, located in Hyderabad. They also took Hindu names. Ajmal Kasab became Sameer Choudhary and Ismail Khan was Naraish Verma. An LeT operative pretended to be 'Kharak Singh from India' and purchased Internet calling services from a US-based firm for $250 (Rupees10,000). The terrorists were told to communicate with their Karachi-based handlers using phones with Indian SIM cards.

The LeT, according to Ansari, monitored the attack from a specially created military-style command and control centre in Karachi, which was visited by LeT leaders and ISI officials. The control room had multiple television sets tuned into Indian TV channels, satellite telephones and computers. The handlers-Sajid Mir, Abu Al Qama, Abu Qahafa and Muzzammil-maintained constant communication with the 10 terrorists. Ansari tutored two of the LeT terrorists who had stormed into Nariman House on what to tell the Indian media in Hindi. He asked them to impersonate disgruntled Muslim youth. While doing this, he used a Hindi word prashaasan (administration). Indian intelligence agencies who tapped into the conversation were intrigued by the use of a Hindi word by a Pakistani controller.

Actually, Pakistan's web of deceit had begun imploding with the arrest of Headley, the LeT scout, by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation in June 2010. He told his Indian interrogators that the Pakistan Army and ISI were deeply involved in the 26/11 attack. He was in touch with two serving ISI officers, Major Iqbal and Major Samir Ali. Headley also made the chilling revelation that every senior LeT leader was "handled" by an ISI operative.

Ansari's interrogation brings fresh embarrassment for Pakistan. He has revealed the presence of Pakistan's ISI in the control room that the let set up to monitor and direct the attack. Ansari also clarified that the LeT has been unaffected by the arrest and ongoing trial of masterminds Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and Zarar Shah at an anti-terrorist court in Rawalpindi's Adiala Jail. The organisation is still plotting fresh attacks against India. The LeT is widely believed to be a proxy arm of the Pakistan Army. Its battle against India spilled out from Jammu and Kashmir to the Indian mainland. It was designated a "Foreign Terrorist Organisation" by the US in 2001 but the Americans saw it as an international threat only after the 26/11 attack. In April this year, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced a $10 million (Rupees50 crore) bounty for information leading to the arrest and capture of LeT supremo Hafiz Saeed.

What rankles Pakistan is that Ansari was arrested and deported by its closest ally, Saudi Arabia. The kingdom wields almost undiminished power over Pakistan's army and political establishment. Through the deportation of Ansari, it has indicated that it will no longer provide protection for Pakistan's terrorists. Another suspected terrorist, Fasih Mehmood of the Indian Mujahideen, has been detained by Saudi Arabia for his role in the twin blasts outside Bangalore's Chinnaswamy stadium on April 17, 2010. He faces imminent deportation to India.

Now that the conspiracy has been exposed, some of its original theorists have backtracked. Digvijaya Singh says he had already clarified about his post-26/11 comments. "There is nothing more to say. I am happy that Home Minister P. Chidambaram has upped the ante on the terror issue and has pressed Pakistan to admit facts relating to Jundal having trained terrorists who attacked Mumbai," he told India Today. Antulay called his November 27 statement "a genuine mistake". "Multiple theories were floating in the aftermath of the attack, especially the one revolving around the death of Karkare," he said.

Antulay admitted, however, that the Hindu terror angle had momentarily deflected the nation's attention from the LeT. Mushrif now refuses to comment because the 26/11 case is subjudice but says he never questioned Pakistan's role in the attack. "If someone wants to comment on this issue he should approach the court and seek a reinvestigation," he said. Burney's newspaper ran a front-page apology on January 29, 2010. Burney himself is, however, unapologetic and says many questions on 26/11 remain unanswered. Film producer-director Mahesh Bhatt says there is no denying Pakistan's involvement but refuses to believe the theories being floated by Indian investigators now and calls for a debate. "After the 9/11 attack, people in the US raised questions on the identity of the attackers. Nobody was apologetic about their views," he says.

Kavita Karkare, the widow of Hemant, believes recent developments have vindicated her stand that the attack was not an inside job. "I have been saying since the beginning that no Hindus are involved in it. Many people floated stories for political reasons. They fell flat," she says.

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Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik.

Pakistan, though, remains unapologetic even as it tries to distance itself from its Indian collaborator. On June 27, just a week after Ansari's arrival in India, Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik hurriedly called for a press conference. "Now things are getting clarified," Malik said. "Who knows if there was a sting operation by somebody from India?" Malik, while defending his army and the ISI, was silent on how Ansari, an Indian citizen, managed to get a Pakistani passport and a National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. In the run-up to the July 4-5 foreign secretary-level talks between India and Pakistan in New Delhi, an anonymous source in the Pakistan foreign office told the media that 40 Indians were involved in the Mumbai attack.

Clearly, one Ansari has not dampened the spirit of the world's most dangerous benefactor of jihad. Wait for the next round of conspiracy theories, written and sold by Islamabad.

- With Shantanu Guha Ray, Kiran Tare, Bhavna Vij-Aurora and Mohammad Waqa

//indiatoday.intoday.in/story/abu-jundal-arrest-kasab-mumbai-terror-attacks-conspiracy-theories/1/204085.html]Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy : Cover Story - India Today

//indiatoday.intoday.in/story/abu-jundal-arrest-kasab-mumbai-terror-attacks-conspiracy-theories/1/204085.html]Jundal's arrest exposes Pak's agenda of turning 26/11 into an Indian conspiracy : Cover Story - India Today

 

[santosh10]

@santosh10 You can keep whining about Bangladeshis, but at the end of the day it's only Hindu politicians who allow them here, allow these things to happen. But instead of blaming Hindu politicians, you're blaming Bangladeshis.

no one come from these two rogue nations as Pakistani or Bangladeshi Muzahidin

Sir, its not just Azmal Kasab coming from Pakistan as 'Indian' Muzahidin, with Hindu type red stings on hands, but its a bottom line truth that none will come from Pakistan or Bangladesh, as "Pakistani" or "Bangladeshi" Muzahidin.....

its, in fact, a shame for Pakistani and Bangladeshi establishments that, "no one come from these two rogue nations as Pakistani or Bangladeshi Muzahidin, all have become Indian Muzahidin".... and suddenly they have attacked while being inside our society....

and Indian government agencies have to ready for these circumstances, how, only time will answer these questions....

but the main problem we face when these false ID Muslim terrorists keep full support from US/UK too, to do these things in India..

 

[rockey 71]

25,000-Muslim rioters torch Buddhist temples, homes in Bangladesh

A statue of Lord Buddha is left standing amidst the torched ruins of the Lal Ching Buddhist temple at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) from the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

Tens of thousands-of rioters left a trail of destruction in southeastern Bangladesh as they torched Buddhist temples and homes near the town of Ramu. The violence was sparked by a photo posted on Facebook that allegedly insulted Islam.

A 25,000-strong mob set fire to at least five temples and dozens of homes throughout the town and surrounding villages after seeing the picture, which they claimed was posted by Uttam Barua, a local Buddhist man, AFP reported.

The group chanted God is Great while setting fire to the centuries-old temples.

"I have seen 11 wooden temples, two of them 300 years old, torched by the mob. They looted precious items and Buddha statues from the temples. Shops owned by Buddhists were also looted," local journalist Sunil Barua said.

Statues are pictured at the burnt Buddhist temple of Shima Bihar at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) southeast of the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

A Bangladeshi man stands amidst the torched ruins of the Buddhist temple called Ramu Moitree Bihar (Ramu Friendship Temple) at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) southeast of the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

Security forces were deployed to contain the uprising: "At least 100 houses were damaged. We called in army and border guards to quell the violence," district administrator Joinul Bari said.

No casualties were reported, and authorities did not confirm whether police arrested any of the rioters.

Buddhist monks protested against the attacks on Sunday, forming a human chain in the country's capital of Dhaka.

Bangladeshi Home Minister Mohiuddin Khan Alamgir said the attacks were pre-planned, and vowed to bring the perpetrators to justice.-

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A temple burnt by Muslims is seen in Cox"²s Bazar September 30, 2012 (Reuters / Stringer)

"The attack was conducted in a coordinated manner. Temples and houses were set on fire using patrol and gun powder. It would have been impossible if the attacks were not planned," he told Bangladesh Bd news24.

The government will provide financial assistance for reconstruction of the damaged houses and temple, Alamgir said.

Before launching their attacks, Muslims publicly rallied against the picture and called for Barua's arrest. However, several Facebook users said that Barua did not post the photo, and that he was linked to the photo after group called 'Insult Allah' tagged his name on the image.

Religious tensions on the rise


Bangladeshi Buddhist monks form a human chain during a protest against attacks on Buddhist temples and homes, in front of national press club in Dhaka September 30, 2012 (Reuters / Andrew Biraj)

Buddhists make up less than one percent of Bangladesh's population, and-sectarian clashes-between they and the country's Muslim majority are rare. Tensions between the communities have risen since June, when deadly clashes erupted between Buddhists and Muslim Rohingya in nearby Myanmar.

Thousands of Muslims also took to the streets across Bangladesh over the past few weeks in protest against a US-made video and French cartoons that mock the Prophet Muhammad.

On Saturday,-tens of thousands-of activists from the Islamist group Jamiyat-e-Hizbullah protested the video and cartoons near the national mosque in Dhaka.

A Bangladeshi man stands amidst the torched ruins of the Buddhist temple called Ramu Moitree Bihar (Ramu Friendship Temple) at Ramu, some 350 kilometres (216 miles) southeast of the capital Dhaka on September 30, 2012 (AFP Photo)

Bangladeshi Buddhist monks form a human chain during a protest against attacks on Buddhist temples and homes, in front of national press club in Dhaka September 30, 2012 (Reuters / Andrew Biraj)

25,000 Muslim rioters torch Buddhist temples, homes in Bangladesh (PHOTOS) — RT News

If this was not in Delhi then you are off topic.

 

[rockey 71]

India alerts Bangladesh about Rohingya terror training camps in Chittagong Hill Tracts
Jul 25, 2013

NEW DELHI: India has alerted Bangladesh to the recent emergence of terror training camps for Rohingya Muslims in its Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT) bordering Myanmar. Sharing intelligence inputs "from the ground", the Union home ministry recently told Dhaka how Pakistani terror outfits like Lashker-e-Taiba (LeT) were allegedly training Rohingya rebels in camps spread across the CHT for "launching revenge attacks" in Myanmar.

During the just-concluded Indo-Bangladesh home secretary-level talks, the two sides discussed the need to arrest attempts by LeT/Jamaat-ud-Dawah (JuD) to exploit the Rohingya Muslims issue to open a new front on the Bangladesh-Myanmar border, close to India's north-east region.

Home secretary Anil Goswami is said to have drawn his Bangladeshi counterpart's attention to terror camps that have sprung in CHT region over the past six to seven months. These camps were witnessing terror training sessions by LeT and Jaish commanders, with help from local outfits like Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB) that are linked to NGOs like Rohingya Solidarity Organisation (RSO). Rohingya Muslims, according to Indian intelligence reports, are being trained in use of firearms and bomb-making at these camps.

Bangladesh has assured India it will verify these camps on the ground.

Lashker/JuD had in mid-2012 created a new forum, Difa-e-MusalmanArakan (Burma) Conference (Defence of Muslims in Myanmar), to mobilize support for an anti-Myanmar government campaign. A two-member team — comprising JuD spokesperson NadeemAwan and JuD Publications Wing member ShahidMahmoodRehmatullah — was deputed last August to forge covert links with like-minded Islamic organizations in Bangladesh and Myanmar.

Other terror outfits such as Harkat-ul-Jihadi Islami, Jaish-e-Mohammed and JMB are also trying to exploit the Rohingyas' plight to establish new bases in Bangladesh. Jammat-ul-Arakan, a new outfit comprising elements of JMB and extremist-minded Rohingyan activists, is reportedly running militant camps in Bandarban district along the Bangladesh-Myanmar border. :ranger:

Meanwhile, with the NIA suspecting the role of Indian Mujahideen (IM) or a local arm sympathetic to the Rohingya Muslims' cause, the involvement of an Assamese radical group in arranging the material for the bombs is being closely examined. Investigators believe that that not only were the timer clocks sourced from Guwahati, but even the cylinder may have been bought in Assam.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ittagong-Hill-Tracts/articleshow/21320102.cms

India alerts Bangladesh about Rohingya terror training camps in Chittagong Hill Tracts - The Times of India

And where is Delhi in all these?

 

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Illegal immigration from Bangladesh has turned Assam explosive

The vote-bank politics practiced by India's politicians has transformed Assam into a simmering cauldron of communal violence between the indigenous Assamese Bodos and the Bangladeshi Muslims who have immigrated illegally. The violence in Assam has exposed the fault lines, and is capable of exposing and worsening the communal divide in the State. The volatile situation was summed up by Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi as "living on a volcano".



A brief history of the conflict

Assam shares an international border with Bangladesh and has been plagued with the problem of illegal immigration by Bangladeshi Muslims for the past four decades. The Governor of Assam, in a secret communique to the Central Government in 2005, revealed that "upto 6000 Bangladeshis enter Assam every day." According to conservative estimates, India is host to around ten million illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. Assam itself is inhabited by around five million illegal immigrants.

Successive Governments in New Delhi have tried to brush aside the problem for the fear of offending and alienating minority interests and alienating the valuable votebank, much to the chagrin of the BJP and its partners like the AGP. Delhi has always adopted a myopic view of the problem, and Assam seems to be paying for Delhi's mistakes.

In 1947, Pakistan was divided into a Bengali-speaking East Pakistan and an Urdu-speaking West Pakistan by the geographical presence of India. In 1971, it became clear that religion could not bind the two disparate entities into a single nation. The revolt against the linguistic hegemony of West Pakistanis resulted in genocide of the East Pakistanis.

Unable to withstand the brutality of the Pakistani army, millions of Bangladeshis crossed over into the safer climes of India. Indian States like Assam and West Bengal bore the brunt of this influx. Although India provided sanctuary to these refugees, it nonetheless referred to this influx as "bloodless aggression" which could irretrievably impair the "economic and political well being" of the country.

India's military intervention against the Pakistani army's genocide of the East Pakistanis led to the creation of Bangladesh in 1971.

However, despite the creation of Bangladesh, India did not get any respite from the influx of Bangladeshi Muslims. The magnitude of this influx can only be assessed from the fact that the period between 1971 and 1991 witnessed the growth of Muslim population in Assam by 77.42 per cent as compared to a Hindu growth of 41.89 per cent. The population explosion has subsequently stabilised but even then, the decadal growth of 1991-2001 at 29.3 per cent for Muslims remained abnormally high as compared to a Hindu growth at 14.9 per cent.

@Ray
Dhubri, which shares a long riverine border with Bangladesh, is an example of how illegal infiltration into the State continues unabated. As per provisional census details for the period 2001-2011, the decadal population growth for Dhubri at 24.4 per cent was distinctly higher when compared to the population growth of Assam at 16.9 percent for the same period. With the Brahmaputra River providing convenient entry points, the district is being virtually overrun by Bangladeshi infiltrators. Incidentally, Dhubri was one of the flash points during the violence in the State.


Ostrich head in sand approach

The Indian polity, with its penchant for encouraging illegal immigration for the sake of vote-bank politics, prefers the 'ostrich head in sand' approach to this issue. This has grievous national implications.

Porous and inadequately defended international borders, coupled with a lack of political will to counter the menace of illegal immigration, have ensured a massive and uncontrolled demographic upheaval in the State. Taking advantage of this demographic shift, illegal immigrants have staked their claims to the resources of the State. This, in turn, has raised the hackles of indigenous populations of the State — now poised to become a minority in their own homeland. While the latter are obviously disgruntled, neither side is in a mood to back down.

Lack of political will to confront illegal immigration manifested itself in the blatantly perverted Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunal) Act of 1983. The Act was introduced specifically for Assam, replacing the Foreigners Act of 1946 which remains in effect for the rest of India.

The provisions of the IMDT Act ranged from the bizarre (the State can only act against the illegal immigrants on the basis of a complaint and not suo motu); to the tragic (the onus of establishing the foreign origin of the accused lies on the complainant and not the accused).

Such provisions made it virtually impossible to deport any illegal immigrant from Assam. It did not come as a surprise to many when only 1,481 illegal immigrants had been expelled upto April 30, 2000 based on over three hundred thousand enguiries.

The Supreme Court of India struck down the IMDT Act in 2005 as ultra vires to the Constitution of India. The Court referred to the Act as the "main impediment or barrier in the identification and deportation of illegal mmigrants." The Court also compared illegal immigration with "external aggression," which had made the life of the people of Assam "wholly insecure and the panic generated thereby had created fear psychosis."

In a revealing observation, the Supreme Court called upon the Government of India to protect "Assam from such external aggression and internal disturbance." Ironically, it was this very "bloodless aggression" which India had used as a pretext to go to war with Pakistan in 1971.

The Congress which has been the dominant political force, both at the Central level and in Assam post independence, has often been accused of tacitly encouraging this infiltration for political gains. So far, Gogoi and his friends seem to be in no hurry to dispel this accusation.

Illegal migrants are mobilised to vote en masse for Congress candidates as quid pro quo to unhindered access to every national resource. In catering to myopic political returns, the party and the Government have turned a blind eye to the destabilising impact of the socio-economic volatility arising out of this influx. In a statement which is telling of the party's abetment of illegal migration, Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi was quick to rescind his initial statement of Assam "living on a volcano," with a "There are no Bangladeshis in the clash but Indian citizens."

Evidently, the vote-bank cannot be disturbed and therefore national interests are being sacrificed at the altar of political expediency. It is disturbing to know that the political class (by their actions) believe that the two are mutually exclusive.

Encouraged by the pusillanimous approach of the Governments, fundamentalists have started manipulating illegal migrants for their own gains. Fundamentalist Muslim leaders in Assam have already issued calls for 'jihad' if the indigenous Bodos involved in retaliation during the violence were not arrested.

Even attempts by the Government of India to prepare a National Register of Citizens based on the 1971 rolls in the State for an authentic documentation of the population have failed to make any headway in the face of strong opposition from these Muslim groups.

Fundamentalist groups are apprehensive about political power slipping away from their hands, once the process of identification of the illegal migrants is initiated in earnest. That the effort to prepare the NRC is abandoned at the slightest resistance, exemplifies the connivance of the politicians with this illicit immigration.


What the future may hold

Political shortsightedness has resulted in a situation where most Indian cities are getting burdened with these illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. The immigrants who have started shifting to greener urban pastures, which offer greater economic opportunities. However, it is in Assam that the conflict between the Indians and illegal Bangladeshi Muslims is growing. Emotions have been running high ever since the migrants started obtaining squatters rights on the lands which they were initially employed to till.

With the demography being dramatically altered by their steady influx, illegal immigrants have started wielding enormous political power in Assam. Muslims have become the majority in 11 out 27 districts in the State and the dominant factor in determining electoral fortunes in 54 out of 126 constituencies in the local Assembly. A stage has been reached where no party can expect to attain political dominance without support from the Bangladeshi Muslims.

It is this conversion of the illegal migrants into a political force, that has made the indigenous population apprehensive of losing its identity and culture.

This unfettered illegal migration has ominous implications for national security and socio-economic stability. Intelligence inputs indicate that the Inter Service Intelligence Agency (ISI) of Pakistan is utilising these migrants as conduits to ferry in terrorists and arms into India. Counterfeit Indian currency with its origins in Bangladesh has flooded border areas, crippling the economy in these parts.

It is often said that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. Kashmir is a case in point. Gogoi and his friends should brush up on their history.

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And the BD criminal gangs in Delhi did all these?

 

[santosh10]

If this was not in Delhi then you are off topic.

yes and no...

the thread is meant to discuss the Bangladesh criminal groups, who have their main residence in Bangladesh after committing crime in Delhi and other indian cities, true....