Bangladeshi criminal gangs new challenge for Delhi Police

[santosh10]

Bangla infiltration back on Bengal's political agenda

KOLKATA: The Burdwan blast and the arrest of Bangladeshi nationals from across the state has brought the debate on infiltration from Bangladesh back on the political agenda. :ranger:

While Mamata Banerjee held that terrorists have no religion and warned against fundamentalist forces trying to divide the state on religious lines, state BJP hit out at the ruling Trinamool Congress for trying to downplay the danger.

Pushed to the wall, CPM joined the race demanding refugee status for the Namasudra (Hindu) community, mainly Matuas, who crossed the border much after March 25, 1971 — the cut-off date for refugees from Bangladesh, years after the Jyoti Basu government denied a place to Bangladeshi immigrants from Marichjhapi in the late 1970s.

Pradesh Congress, on the other hand, wanted the Centre to define what refugees stand for. "This is a sensitive issue and should be dealt from a socio-economic perspective. People across the world have been migrating from economically weaker states or countries to those with a comparatively stable economy," Pradesh Congress president Adhir Chowdhury said, without drawing a distinction between Hindu refugees and Muslim infiltrators as BJP has been doing.

"We are against infiltration. Let the BJP come clear how many infiltrators it has pushed back when the party was in power at the Centre," Chowdhury said.

State BJP MLA from Basirhat Shamik Bhattacharya tore into the Congress logic. "We have been hearing this argument since long. The danger has come closer home. The nature of the migration has a dimension, which is different from the one in Mexico. Take a look at the demographic change in the eight bordering districts of Bengal. It shows how infiltrators from Bangladesh are trying to gain control over India. A true nationalist should deal with the problem with all seriousness," Bhattacharya said.

Whatever BJP said, the Narendra Modi government cannot discriminate against post-'71 Bangladeshi immigrants on the basis of religion. The Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2003, endorsed by BJP in Parliament, states that a person can get citizenship if his parents are Indian citizens. The clause doesn't acknowledge the Hindus coming from Bangladesh after the cut-off date.

CPM leader Gautam Deb has joined the race asking for a recognition of the Matua community coming from Orakandi in Bangladesh. Asked if he was demanding relaxation of the cut-off date, he said, "The Indira-Mujib treaty in 1971 was considered the cut-off date on the grounds that there will be no religious discrimination in the two countries. But it didn't work out after Mujibur Rahman's murder. There are instances that the minorities (Hindus) in Bangladesh are facing religious persecution. The government has to provide them shelter."

Deb, however, was silent on the migration of Muslims from Bangladesh. He cited the resolution adopted in the last CPM Party Congress that wants the Centre to consider the demand of these refugees belonging to the Scheduled Castes, mainly Namashudra communities, who are living in different parts of the country. "We will launch a stir with the refugees and mob the North 24-Parganas district magistrate's office in December," Deb said.

State BJP president Rahul Sinha, however, saw in the CPM move a desperate bid to win over the Matuas, who have an overwhelmning presence in North 24-Parganas, with an eye on the Bongaon parliamentary bypolls. Former CPM minister Abdur Rezzak Molla also took a dig at CPM on this issue while floating his new outfit Bharatiya Nyaybichar Party on Saturday. "CPM is upholding the Matua cause now. It should have thought about them earlier," Molla said.

CPM's Gautam Deb and Kanti Biswas, BJP's Tathagata Roy and Trinamool's Mukul Roy and Jyotipriya Mullick were present at the Esplanade rally led by Matuas in 2010 where the community demanded scrapping of the Citizenship (Amendment) Act. Political leaders, however, remained non-committal.

//timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Bangla-infiltration-back-on-Bengals-political-agenda/articleshow/44871719.cms

 

[santosh10]

Will crackdown on illegal immigrants in Assam: PM Modi

GUWAHATI: PM Narendra Modi on Sunday addressed a gathering of BJP workers here and praised them for their efforts in the northeast, adding that development has been the only mantra of BJP.

Addressing the issue of safety in Assam, PM Modi said, "I am aware of the problems of Assam and there will be no compromise on safety."

Modi also sought people's consent for an India-Bangladesh land swap deal which he said will benefit Assam.

The Prime Minister said he would use the deal to stop illegal infiltration into Assam from Bangladesh.

"I know the sentiments of the people of Assam. I assure you that I am going to use the proposed land swap deal for the benefit of Assam."

"It may seem a loss for Assam but I will make such arrangements that it benefits Assam in the long run," he said.

[//timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Will-crackdown-on-illegal-immigrants-in-Assam-PM-Modi/articleshow/45324723.cms]Will crackdown on illegal immigrants in Assam: PM Modi - The Times of India[/url]

It is high time cracking down on illegals is done all over the country including the new menace of the Rohingyas who have taken shelter in Hyderabad and are said to be financing the jihadis.

The Jamaait Bangladesh is being financed by the Rohingyas, who are in turn financing the terrorist in India as in the Burdwan blast.

Please sir. That deranged hag is ruining WB and is creating havoc for entire northeast. Please do whatever it needs to throw these scum out of our land.

Tens of thousands of Bangladeshis living here illegally in Mumbai only. I can't even imagine how many there are across the country.

Indian Society as a whole, as a nation, now need to go little backward to have a successful future

times has come when India, as a nation has to move little backward, to go forward. you may have little low economic growth rate for the coming few years, but the security/sovereignty is something which can't be sacrificed for any reason.....

we may live with even 2%-3% growth rate by the next few years, but the nation has to be ready for every type of sacrifice/security requirements. we need to be openly clear with our "national issues", which don't change with any political party. whether BJP, Congress or any other political party, national issues dont change for any reason, which may require sacrifice, and you always need to be ready for that.....

i would advocate to double the CRPF/security personnel due to security crisis at present. even if there may be few communal violence, security agencies may need to fuel it, just to see how much damage these people may make. for example, if few of the non-social elements think that they may create problems, then just kill few of them to see, how the rest of them respond..... a proper surgery/operation of top to bottom of this country is required, proper security gotto be established, laws enforcement is required now....

you now need to go little backward to go forward, more unity as a nation is required to have proper preparation to build a successful nation in future

 

[santosh10]

Bengali Muslims (the Indian variety) have very little knowledge of Islam and that is my experience have interacted with them and discussed the religion.

Further more, Bengalis are religious internally and 'respect' by paying obeisance to any and every icon of God, be it a mazar, idol or a stone with vermilion painted.

Many a Muslim Bengali have been followers of Hindu Gods like Kazi Narul Islam, the famed port or Firoza Begum, the acclaimed singer.

Therefore, it is not surprising that they have 're-converted'.

Religion is no big deal in Bengal and that is why BJP is scuppering up a huge Muslim backing that has sent shivers down the self acclaimed champion of Muslims, Mamata Bannerjee.

and why exactly would India feed these people withni? why would we invite shiits from Bangladesh, 80% people affected by mal-nutrition, a member of LDCs who can't help itself without Humanitarian aid, and then they are coming to India

but i would like to see the converties among the forward caste, or the "Gandhian" caste, like how second PM of India, Mr LB Shastri converted into Gandhian caste



i just made a response to a Bangladeshi member on another forum as below, which may have a place here too :thumb:


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There is no illegal Bangladeshi in India half of whose population shit in the open. However there are a million illegal Indians working for us here. But we don't call them shits. We understand poverty,unemployment, insecurity of life and property, lack of education and healthcare drive them here.

they will be killed in India, similar to terrorists entering in other countries and dead on the border :thumb:

"Registered" Indians Working in Bangladesh, in numbers upto 10 to 40millions

there are evidence that all these "Jamaait Bangladesh" and "BNP" etc are working in behalf of their government itself, and the fund they get from those sources who have full support from the Bangladeshi government itself....

for example, we have news that there are around 5 to 40million "registered" Indians working in Bangladesh, check the news, and this happened because those Bangladeshi people are allowed to register themselves in Bangladesh as an Indian national, showing their Indian IDs.

and here the conspiracy stands, where we find full involvements by the Bangladeshi government to help these 20 to 40million false ID Bangladeshi workers to get into India in future...

and also, BSF has full experience of these False ID holders coming from Bangladesh, as a "registered Indians" working there

Bangladesh, a member of LDCs like Somalia/Congo/Afghanistan, 80% population suffering from Malnutrition, over a third of their food import. and then we find Indians working there as "Registered" Indian workers, while holding IDs of Bihar and West Bengal, as per topic of this thread

 

[Ray]

I am talking about genuine Indian Bengali Muslims.

Do you think all Muslims in Bengal are Bangladeshis?

 

[santosh10]

I am talking about genuine Indian Bengali Muslims.

Do you think all Muslims in Bengal are Bangladeshis?

no, but you have to defend yourself from those "Indians" like Azmal Kasab, representing Indian Muzahidin, and growing IM in Bengal/North East region is mainly because of increased participation of Bangladeshi Muslims :ranger:

you are moving towards wars related to religion/race/identity/culture/belief etc, and removing Bangladeshis from India, sending them back who ever has come here, would be the first step in this regard :thumb:

 

[santosh10]

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[santosh10]

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No, we shouldn't support Xingjiang separatism. Separatism in Xingjiang is fueled by an Islamic separate state ideology, which has the potential to turn radical. Groups from Pakistan have sent feelers to Xingjiang separatists. India's best bet is to have nothing to do with Xingjiang, let Paki-Islamic groups run their course in Xingjiang, and in doing that, let China feel the bite of having supported Pakistan, much in the same way Pakistan is feeling the bite of terrorist groups it supported.

@Tshering22 @SANITY

Pakistan and Bangladesh "as a State" Vs a Source of Export of Islamic Fanaticism

Pakistan always stands between two aspects, first as a State for its own people only, and the second and the most powerful aspect is the religion, fighting for Islam in world. similarly we always find Bangladesh start exporting Islamic Fanatic people to promote Islam. a difference between China, which reduce population, and Pakistan+Bangladesh, which have increased their population from 34million and 36million in 1947 respectively, to over 180million and 170million respectively at present.....

and then even a friendly country like China struggle with his friends, Pakistan+Bangladesh. whether they would speak to a 'state' of Pakistan, or would be worried with a country which has become a center of export of Islamic terrorism. and the consequences China facing on its bordering state of Xinjiang.....

similar things we find about US and UK too, whenever they keep any sympathy for the immigrants of Pakistan+Bangladesh, these communities suddenly become a source of increase of Muslim population in Britain, heavily dependent on Social Security because of big families this way, along with increase in Islamic Fanaticism in UK too this way....

Risk of poverty is unevenly spread in terms of region, ethnicity, household structure and disability status. Over half (52%) of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are in relative poverty, while children living in families with at least one disabled member have a 29% chance of living in poverty, compared with 20% for those living in families with no disabled member. The additional costs associated with (religious) disability mean that a narrow focus on incomes does not fully capture the levels of disadvantage experienced

bristol.ac.uk/poverty/downloads/keyofficialdocuments/CONDEM%20-poverty-report.pdf

and this is how the Western countries struggle with immigrants of India, China as compare to Pakistan+Bangladesh. your support for Pakistan+Bangladesh suddenly brings you on the side of supporting rise of Islamic Fanaticism within UK/US. while Indian-Chinese with low population but are rising because of higher competency as compare to the locals in western nations.....
(here, if i say that population of Pakistani+Bangladeshi Muslims combined, would be higher than the population of Indians+Chinese combined in Britain/UK, people here would laugh but its a truth on the ground level, check. china and India, the two largest population countries.....)

=> to clear this topic more, have you ever heard India as a center of exporting Hindu Terrorism to China, while it share such a long border with China? i hope none in world might have made this joke before, even if India and China have fought wars in past, and are open rivals. neither you would have heard that Russia exporting Orthodox Christian terrorism to China, even if they too have fought wars with each others in 50s and 60s. but whenever you hear any bomb blast in Xinjiang state of China, you would find the source of its support came from the terror groups based in Pakistan. even if Pakistan is one of the closest ally of China, one of China's best friend "as a state of Pakistan", sharing very small border with China with this state only

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region

XUAR (Xinxiang Uighur Autonomous Region), or East Turkistan, is a territory in western China that accounts for one-sixth of China's land and is home to about twenty million people from thirteen major ethnic groups, the largest of which (more than eight million) is the Uighurs [PRON: WEE-gurs], a predominantly Muslim community with ties to Central Asia. The Uyghur American Association (UAA) says that East Turkistan is a part of Central Asia, not of China. Some Uighurs call China's presence in Xinjiang a form of imperialism, and there have been movements for independence since the1990s through separatist groups like the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), inflamed in part by large migrations of Han Chinese to the region.

In February 2012, at least a dozen people died after being attacked on the street by Muslims armed with knives near Kashgar, the western part of Xinxiang located near China's border with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. After the Chinese government said the men involved had links to terrorists in Pakistan, a Chinese woman was also killed in Pakistan in what was considered a retaliatory attack. China claims the rioters were trained in Pakistan and has asked Pakistan to take "credible measures" to safeguard its citizens. XUAR shares borders with five Muslim countries--Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan--which seems to be a Chinese concern. The China-Pakistan relationship in particular has been strained by the recent killings, and questions about China's traditional friendship with Pakistan are rising.

Terrorism and Counterterrorism

During the 1990s, Uighur separatist groups in Xinjiang began frequent attacks against the Chinese government. The most famous of these groups was the ETIM, labeled as a terrorist organization by China, the United States, and the UN Security Council. China claims the group has links to al-Qaeda and says that they were trained in jihadi terror camps in Pakistan to launch attacks in Urumqi. Reports say Pakistani officials have also admitted that the militants in western China have ties to the Pakistani Taliban and other militants in northwestern Pakistani regions along the Afghan border. Pakistan, a close ally, has assured China of full support to contain terrorism in China. Concern about Uighur terrorism flared in August 2008--just days before the Beijing Olympics--when two men attacked a military police unit (NYT) in Xinjiang, killing sixteen.

The Chinese government has taken steps to combat both separatists and terrorists in its western province and monitors religious activity in the region to keep religious leaders from spreading separatist views. Since September 11, 2001, China has raised international awareness of Uighur-related terrorism and linked its actions to the Bush administration's so-called war on terror.

But many experts say China exaggerates the danger posed by Uighur terrorists. While China has accused the Uighurs of plotting thousands of attacks, Andrew J. Nathan, a China expert at Columbia University, says, "You have to be very suspicious of those numbers."

Some experts, including Bequelin, say China's anti-separatist campaign provokes resentment, which can lead to more terrorism. But others say China's counterterrorism measures have been somewhat successful. A review of U.S. State Department documents shows a decrease in Uighur-related terrorism since the end of the 1990s. ETIM, classified as a terrorist organization during the Bush administration, is not listed as Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) anymore in the list updated in January 2012.

A 2010 report from the Congressional Research Service examines U.S.-China cooperation on counterterrorism, noting that tensions remain over handling Uighurs. The United States refused to hand over five Uighurs who had been captured by U.S. forces in Pakistan in 2001, despite Chinese calls to do so. After their release from Guantanamo Bay in May 2006, the Uighurs were instead transferred to Albania. In June 2009, four Uighurs who had been detained at Guantanamo were resettled in Bermuda.

Thirteen other Uighur detainees, said to be resettled in Palau, have not yet been resettled or returned to China. Though a U.S. district court ordered their release, the ruling was overturned by a U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled that the district court "did not have the power to override immigration laws and force the executive branch to release foreigners into the United States." The issue is further complicated as the Congress passed legislation to prevent the transfer of detainees from Guantanamo to the United States.

Uighurs and China's Xinjiang Region - Council on Foreign Relations[/url]

 

[santosh10]

For these BD infiltrators there are only two options-Go back or convert and become a Hindu.

only one option, GO BACK, whoever has come here, before they are captured and deported back. no more shiits to this country, they have already done religious crimes with their minorities and we dont want the same here

but we keep an option for their religious minorities, they may apply for the Asylum Visa if their any of the family members were attacked due to the religious reasons :thumb:

 

[santosh10]

There are about 18 terrorist group operating in Assam for a very very long time.

Op Rhino and Op Bajrang against the ULFA took the winds off the ULFA sails in the 1990s.

It is time to to a reapeat, but then the Assam Govt does not have the political will since again it is a case of vote banks (?).

It is also time to shut up the liberal wine sipping, cheese nibbling chatterati so that they do not spout pious platitudes and shed crocodile tears and cry foul when action is taken imaging human rights violation out of their pink and hallucinated clouds.

Sooner or Later, India has to Handle the Greatest Challenge Imposed on it in the Eastern Region

sir, North East region has well got the state of Kashmir, which it had since 1989 to upto 2007. and we need experience of handling terrorism in Kashmir during 90s, to face the things in North East region at present....

and it would mean for having the full assistance from our international friends, with whatever resources India has within too

i mean, even if you ignore the growing problem there, then its only mean that you will face bigger challenge there in future. a proper surgery of Eastern India is required at present, including West Bengal and Bihar too, considering more Bangladeshi Infiltrators on false IDs of these two states too, who gotto be identified and deported back. :thumb:

Indian Mujaheddin growing in Eastern India with more participation of Bangladeshi Muslims was already a problem, which is then fueled with the news that Bangladeshi government even help local organizations 'buy' Indian IDs to enter here too..... and the things looks worse when we have news that ISI is fully involved in these happening on the India-Bangladesh border too........

and here we need experience of Mumbai Attack-2008 too, when we faced 'Indian' Muzahidin like Azmal Kasab coming from Pakistan with Hindu type red stings on hands. and growing numbers of Bangladeshis in "Indian" Muzahidin is nothing but the next step of terrorism in Eastern India, which has enough similarity with Terrorism on the western part of India, because of involvements of ISI on the India-Bangladesh border......

Religious Line of India-Bangladesh, is the 'life-line' of Eastern India, and it must be understood by the every system/political parties of India. and the lessons of partition of India in 1946-47, experience of religious riots that time which resulted in over a million deaths in Hndu-Muslim-Sikh riots during 1946-47, the Great Calcutta killing etc, all these experience is the key in this regard too

 

[santosh10]

Happens in India.

They have taken shelter in Myanmar with the ULFA Paresh Barua who is China and ISI backed.

India needs Special Status for North East

we want a "complete withdrawal" of migrants from North Eastern States, who would then be allowed to back there after a proper trial in their native state, under a "work permit"

sir, its a simple case that North Eastern region has well become Kashmir of 90s, and accept it. we want a "Special Status" of this region of India. :thumb:

no need to take out eyes out from this region. while i favor to even "complete withdrawal of migrants of rest of India from the North East region, until their identities is verified." i mean, even if migrants are working there, they must return to their home state, with proper trial of their identification, and then only they would be allowed to work in North East Region. we want a "complete withdrawal" of migrants from North Eastern States, who would then be allowed to back there after a proper trial, under a "work permit" :thumb:

we simply want a special status for this region, and a type of surgery in West Bengal and Bihar both is required at present. we want at least 1.0mil+ paramilitary force just in Bihar and West Bengal, other than handling North Eastern states in the same way like how India handled Kashmir during 1989-2007

 

[santosh10]

in fact, the way Pakistan and Bangladesh are engaged with US/EU during last 4-5 years, i recently demanded at least $20billion for Bangladesh for their efforts to support every right and wrong of US. as i believe, such a small country may face a total change on infrastructure, in fact, as its a very small country..

rest, Pakistan too would be deserving this much, or lesser. but i would personally like to see Bangladesh receiving upward of $20billion+ by US+EU. hardly one international airport they have, only a billion dollar may upgrade it to international standard, $2 billion for a port, so small country that just $7-8 billion may connect top to bottom, east to west by 8-10 lanes expressway road. and upward of $10billion+ for electricity.... this much investment may suddenly double their per capita income within just 4-5 years, with attracting foreign investment too then onward :tup:

@rocky.idf

A Prosper Bangladesh is in favor of India

yesterday i discussed, a prosper Bangladesh would only help India control this overly populated country. and the above statement for $20billion+ investment in Bangladesh to build their infrastructure, would only encourage foreign investments there, helping them have more jobs and hence it would easy for India to properly establish fencing on the Indo-BD border, which must be similar to how it has on the Kashmir border with Pakistan :tup:

if Bangladesh having over 6%+ growth rate for the last 10-12 years, then it only means to see this 200million populated country standing as it is, even if it still falls among the Least Developed Country to receive humanitarian aid. if Bangladesh emerge as an exporting hub of world, for example, then it only means to see it standing on its own. we hope to see Bangladesh achieving $100billion+ export target by 2020 :cheers:

Import of Islamic fanaticism is a serious threat on India, along with economic burden from this overly populated Muslim country too. and until US+UK themselves dont provide permanent Visa on arrival for Bangladeshis in their countries, India is left with nothing but to have a fencing on the Indo-BD border, which must have similarity to Kashmir with Pakistan

 

[santosh10]

Migrants, if you mean the adivasis, then they are indentured labour brought for the tea gardens by the British.

They have lived for a long time there. Those who retired took up living around the gardens.

Would it be fair to expect them to return to somewhere that they have no clue about excepting their ancestry?

It is the illegal immigrants who should be sent back from where they came from.

Bangladesh is doing well economically. But so long as the economy good does not trickle down to the population, it will not stop any illegal immigration.

Indians have been lifted from poverty, but are all above the poverty line?

sir, the way we find ISI helping Bangladeshi organizations buy Indian IDs, having support from the Bangladeshi government too in this regard, its now important to pull out every Bangla+Hindi speaking person from this region, and have a proper trial on them in their home states, and then only they would be allowed to back :thumb:

and its mainly means to check the Illegal Migrants coming from this 200million overly populated Muslim country, to defend sovereignty of this country, to defend our independence. this certain region is on the verge of collapse due to illegal migrants from Bangladesh, and it has only one solution, order every Bangla+Hindi speaking person back to their home state, have a proper trial there and get a "work permit" to enter this region....

we want to recognize this problem, and find its solution. this region is now Kashmir of 90s of India, and accept it

also, we favor increased migration of Bangladeshis to the countries like Malaysia, for example, where they qualify migration test of being Malays due to Islamic religious background, one of the four test of migration there to be Muslims there.... and if Indonesia type countries also welcome Bangladeshi Muslims due to religious ground, we welcome this too :tup:

 

[santosh10]

Bangladesh migrants, the citizens of no man's land

As India prepares to be led by the new Narendra Modi government, the 2014 election will be remembered, in the politics of world's largest democracy, as an era that wriggled new realities.

From the near complete wipe out of the Gandhis' hold – who have given the country three of its prime ministers - on Indian politics, to the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) making inroads into new regions like the north eastern state of Assam known to be the Congress 'fortress'.

Assam has been returning Congress to power for a long time. What then could have prompted BJP to a resounding victory in 7 out of 14 constituencies in the state?

Usually a topic brushed aside by the political parties of India, the BJP campaigns strike a special cord with people by taking up the issue of illegal migration from Bangladesh into the north eastern part of India especially Assam which borders Bangladesh.

Pegged at over 20 million in India these migrants – mostly Muslims from Bangladesh – have been permanently settling down in Assam which has impacted the state's demography reducing the ethnic people of Assam into a minority in many areas, declining land availability and employment and increasing the crime rate.

Threatened of losing their dominance, the ethnic groups of the region have been up in arms against these migrants, many times resulting in blood spattered battles. The latest being between Bodos, the region's biggest tribal group, and Muslim settlers believed to have migrated from Bangladesh. About 38 Muslims were killed by Bodo militants. A similar violent outbreak took place in 2012 claiming 42 lives and displacing thousands.

The entire incident is given a communal overtone said to have been provoked after Narendra Modi's campaigns in East India including West Bengal (which also receives a sizeable number of migrants from Bangladesh) and Assam where he reiterated that people from Bangladesh who illegally cross the border should be deported.

However this has a deeper insinuation than just a religious tinge. It is the agitation of indigenous settlers getting marginalized in their own land. Explaining the stance of the BJP, Dr Ajai Sahni, Executive Director, Institute for Conflict Management & South Asia Terrorism Portal says, "Though the BJP has always made a distinction between the Hindus and Muslims emigrating from Bangladesh considering the former as refugees and terming the later as illegal immigrants, it has termed the clashes as migrants versus locals and not Hindus versus Muslims."

India shares its longest international border, measuring 4,096.7 km, with its eastern neighbor Bangladesh. Eastern regions of India like West Bengal, Assam, Tripura are the bordering states.

The flow of migrants to India from Bangladesh dates back to 1947 when many fled to Assam and West Bengal from East Pakistan (current Bangladesh) – especially the Hindus –to escape the wrath of the then Pakistani military. This intensified during the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971. It is estimated that about 10 million people migrated to India. While many returned after the war, a sizeable number stayed behind.

Migrants who crossed over to India on or before 25 March 1971 were conferred 'refugee' status and subsequently granted citizenship by the Government of India. Those crossing the bordering after this are largely considered illegal migrants with the case of persecution of religious minorities in Bangladesh being an exception.

Incessant migration

It is the economic migration to the country that is creating unrest. Recent decades have seen a rise in border crossing by Bangladeshis, belonging to the majority Bengali speaking Muslim community, to escape economic impoverishment.

Almost 80 percent of Bangladesh's population lives in the rural areas, of which 53 percent are classified as poor by the World Bank. While the country's population is growing, producing a bigger labor force, the land base is shrinking resulting in decline in cultivated areas at a rate of 1 percent per year.

The country is facing serious issues with living space due to alarming population growth. As per 2011 estimates, the population density of Bangladesh is 964 per sq km, one of the highest in the world.

This poverty stricken population illegally migrates to India to work as farm labor, industrial labor, construction workers etc.

These migrant settlers constitute a majority in many parts of Assam bordering Bangladesh, reducing local tribes to a minority. For instance Dhubri, on the Indo-Bangladesh border and point of entry for Bangladeshis, has Bengali-speaking Muslims rising from 70.45 per cent in 1991 to 76 per cent according to the 2011 Census, in contrast to a marginal growth of the indigenous Assamese-speaking Muslims.

Dr Sahni adds, "Illegal immigration itself has an internal dynamics within the Muslim population in Assam, where the Assamese Muslims also feel increasingly marginalized by the migrants from Bangladesh." This has increased pressure on land in states like Assam resulting in a decline in cultivable land.

In West Bengal from 1981-1991, ten years after the 1971 war (when India accommodated displaced refugees), the leap in the Muslim population in the state was much higher (almost 6% higher) than the national average.

From 1991-2001 onwards the statistics show a stark downturn. This is exactly the time when migrants were moving away from the border into relatively prosperous areas like New Delhi and Mumbai where there is a constant demand for cheap labour.

An extremely porous international border characterized by un-demarcated stretches, enclaves and adverse possessions makes for an easy entry into the country.

They are led deeper into the country through a nexus of agents and political aspirants looking at creating vote banks by inadvertently issuing them ration cards, voter identity cards and passports.

According to the Vivekananda International Foundation (VIF) , a New Delhi-based think tank, politically the Bangladeshi migrants influence the results of the elections in about 32% of the constituencies in Assam.

Half a house is on the Indian side and half in Bangladesh in many places!

and these people would be send back to US/UK, whose spies have been helping these infiltrators in other countries like india, to organize terrorism/violence here :thumb:

there must be a punishment for these drug addicted western nations, for any type of crimes they organize in india and other countries :......

 

[santosh10]

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[santosh10]

There is no need to blame or fear Bangladesh. Bangladeshis are basically very nice, innocent people. Blame the Indians. The Hindu leaders in India today are no different from the Hindu kings a thousand years ago - constantly fighting among themselves, allowing other people to grab our land, etc. So blame Hindus for being greedy, so greedy that they're ready to give up our land for votes or other political benefits. Hindus have always been political prostitutes, will even compromise national security for the sake of power or money. Others, like the immigrants, are simply exploiting this tendency. So why blame others?

@Ray

Genius, Population of Hindus in India was around 88% in 1947, while its around 79% at present, while Muslims at 7.8% in 1947 grew to round 16% of total Indian population to date. while that of Bangladesh, Hindu Population fallen from 32% in 1947 to less than 10% right now, and why? while state of minorities of Pakistan is mostly shameful, not worth discussing...

India is a non-religious country, as compare to Islamic Fanatic countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. so this statistic isn't surprised to world, the statistics since freedom of Indian subcontinent since 1947.....

but we do have to defend ourselves from these 2 rouge neighbors of India, the Pakistan and Bangladesh both. and we have every right to do so, as discussed in this thread

 

[jackprince]

@Ray

Genius, Population of Hindus in India was around 88% in 1947, while its around 79% at present, while Muslims at 7.8% in 1947 grew to round 16% of total Indian population to date. while that of Bangladesh, Hindu Population fallen from 32% in 1947 to less than 10% right now, and why? while state of minorities of Pakistan is mostly shameful, not worth discussing...

India is a non-religious country, as compare to Islamic Fanatic countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. so this statistic isn't surprised to world, the statistics since freedom of Indian subcontinent since 1947.....

but we do have to defend ourselves from these 2 rouge neighbors of India, the Pakistan and Bangladesh both. and we have every right to do so, as discussed in this thread

don't take to heart. He/she just tries to hide his/her insecurity through the assumed genius tag, he ain't one. No need to bother to reply him/her.

 

[santosh10]

There is no need to blame or fear Bangladesh. Bangladeshis are basically very nice, innocent people. Blame the Indians. The Hindu leaders in India today are no different from the Hindu kings a thousand years ago - constantly fighting among themselves, allowing other people to grab our land, etc. So blame Hindus for being greedy, so greedy that they're ready to give up our land for votes or other political benefits. Hindus have always been political prostitutes, will even compromise national security for the sake of power or money. Others, like the immigrants, are simply exploiting this tendency. So why blame others?

@jackprince


Genius, as per the name you hold on this forum, can you please help us get to know, the reasons behind the things ongoing in China as below. any competent response? as, Pakistan and Bangladeshi nationals do favor China a lot :ranger:

Xinjiang: Has China's crackdown on 'terrorism' worked?
2 January 2015

"Kashgar is not stable."

The words of a paramilitary police officer as he marched past me under the statue of Chairman Mao in China's westernmost city.

It was the answer to my question: "Why are there so many armoured trucks, so many armed officers, so many police dogs?"

A history scarred by civil war and foreign invasion makes many Chinese citizens hanker for strong central government.

But for security, they pay a high price in civil liberties.

Especially in border areas like this which are so different from mainstream China and where the pressure to show loyalty is correspondingly immense.

The government is watching every citizen.

The BBC's China Editor Carrie Gracie recently paid a visit to Kashgar city in the Xinjiang region

'Triple evil'

I was in Kashgar to tackle one of the hardest China stories to cover.

The story, according to the Chinese government, is "a triple evil", a mix of religious extremism, separatism and terrorism.

In May, it announced a year-long security campaign after a shocking series of attacks made the state look weak.

Exiles and human rights groups say the story is that the state itself is making matters worse, and the violence is fuelled by repression against a religious and ethnic minority, China's Muslim Uighurs.


Uighurs and Xinjiang

Uighur culture leans more towards Central Asia than China

Uighurs are ethnically Turkic Muslims and make up about 45% of the region's population; 40% are Han Chinese :ranger:

China re-established control in 1949 after crushing the short-lived state of East Turkestan

Since then, there has been large-scale immigration of Han Chinese

Uighurs say they have been economically marginalised and fear their traditional culture is being eroded

Why is there tension between China and the Uighurs?

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Xinjiang is China's largest administrative region and borders eight countries :ranger:

Chinese or Muslim first?

I wanted to see the counter-terror crackdown at first hand, to hear from Uighurs about the religious restrictions they now face, and to make my own assessment of how the two relate.

The mission was made much harder by government surveillance both of me as a foreign journalist and of the people I was trying to talk to.

Kashgar is the last stop before Pakistan, , closer to Baghdad than it is to Beijing. It's at the far western edge of the troubled province of Xinjiang, home to 10 million Uighurs.

China doesn't trust the loyalty of these citizens. It worries about whether they are Chinese first or Muslim first. :ranger:

Which is why alongside the security push, the past six months have seen sweeping restrictions on religious expression.


The further west and further south you go in Xinjiang, the more troubled the past and the present.

This land has seen empires come and go.

In the 20th Century, even the Russians dabbled here from just over the border in Soviet Central Asia, supporting Uighur claims for an independent state of East Turkestan.

But the Chinese Communist Party sees Xinjiang as an integral part of the People's Republic of China and teaches its citizens that the determination to hold onto it is not about mineral wealth or the geopolitics of Central Asia but a sacred trust for Chinese patriots.


China continues to step up the security presence in many key Xinjiang towns and cities

Just two days before I arrived, the area had seen another violent attack in which 15 people had died.

"The government wants to discourage religion; no official is allowed to pray in a mosque and no one under the age of 18 is allowed in" Uighur man

As so often, the incident involved a vehicle ploughing into a crowd and multiple attackers with knives and homemade explosives who were then shot dead by police.

At least 200 people have now died in clashes related to Xinjiang over the past six months and perhaps half of those killed are the attackers themselves.

So what is causing young Uighur men to commit acts of violence which so often end in their own deaths?

The Chinese government says they are being poisoned by the holy war propaganda of militant Islam, propaganda flooding across the border from Pakistan and Afghanistan on DVDs, mobile phones and internet.

As part of the year-long counter-terrorism campaign, Chinese police said they have confiscated thousands of videos inciting terrorism and blocked online materials teaching terrorist techniques.


Security surveillance or paranoia: Will China's measures successfully counter terrorism fears?

Discouraging religion

As I travelled between Kashgar and a neighbouring city on a public bus, I witnessed young Uighur men obediently filing off at police checkpoints so that their phones could be checked for religious materials.

"No one will employ Uighur workers if they had a Han alternative; they are lazy and incompetent" A Han Chinese man

"Nothing religious at all. You can have nothing at all on there," one man told me as we watched another climb back on the bus and reassembled his phone.

"The government wants to discourage religion. No official is allowed to pray in a mosque. And no one under the age of 18 is allowed in. No children."

A Uighur police officer told me the same thing. "I am a practising Muslim but I can't pray at the mosque."

When I asked how he felt about this, he looked nervously around him and pulled a wry expression.

His caution was understandable. It is dangerous to complain about any government policies in Xinjiang.

To the state, any criticism is construed as sympathy with the "three evils" of religious extremism, separatism and terrorism.


Chinese authorities insist that Xinjiang is now on the radar of international jihdism

The government insists its terror problem is a foreign import, that Xinjiang is now on the radar of international jihad.

It says the internet is poisoning young Uighur minds with off the shelf visions of martyrdom and a sense of belonging to a bigger mission.

Certainly a suicide attack on Tiananmen Square a year ago which killed and maimed many innocent tourists was accompanied by a video in which the attackers pledged holy war.

Earlier this year, Islamic State (IS) leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi criticised Beijing's policies in Xinjiang and asked all Chinese Muslims to pledge allegiance to him instead.

An English-language magazine released by al-Qaeda described Xinjiang as an occupied Muslim land to be recovered into the Caliphate.


But China makes no attempt to distinguish between religious extremists who may be prepared to carry out or condone acts of terror, and those in Xinjiang with a religious, political or economic grievance which they attempt to resolve peacefully.

One of the things I tried to do in Xinjiang was to visit the home village of the Tiananmen Square attackers.

I'd read reports that the beginning of their alienation was not jihadist videos but rage against the state for demolishing parts of their mosque. I wanted to understand more about their psychological journey from law-abiding Chinese citizens to vengeful martyrs.


The ethnic Uighur population used to be the majority in China's Xinjiang region


Chinese officials blamed the attack at Tiananmen Square on separatists from Xinjiang

'Spies everywhere'

Despite several attempts to reach the village, I was not allowed in. Whether by Uighur citizens or foreign journalists, the government is simply unwilling to tolerate public discussion of the role of religious, political and economic grievances in creating its Xinjiang problem.

But I did see evidence that those grievances are mounting.

I talked to men who complained that they were no longer allowed to grow a beard, and to women who are no longer allowed to wear a veil.:thumb:

A Uighur guard at a Kashgar hospital told me women who insisted on covering their face would not be admitted for medical treatment.

And a Uighur government official told me he hated his job because he could not speak any truth and there were "spies everywhere".


There are also rumbling economic grievances.

Uighurs are now a minority in their own homeland and some complained to me that they face discrimination when it comes to jobs.

One Uighur boss of a construction company conceded: "The top jobs in my company all go to Han Chinese. They have the education and we Uighurs simply don't."

And a Han Chinese was even more disparaging.

"No one would employ Uighur workers if they had a Han alternative. The Uighurs are lazy and incompetent. It will cost you three times as much to get the job done and it still won't be done to the same standard."

Even in their traditional crafts, Uighur livelihoods are under threat.

A metal worker crouched over his anvil told me: "I've been doing this for 20 years. It takes me two weeks to make a fine teapot. But now the machine made goods from China are flooding in. It's hard to make a living."


Prominent Uighur academic Ilham Tohti was found guilty of 'separatism' by a Chinese court this year

Over the past 30 years, Chinese policy makers have assumed that economic growth in Xinjiang would stifle dissent but in some ways, modernisation seems to have made Uighur marginalisation worse.

President Xi visited Xinjiang just before the counter-terror crackdown and promised more economic opportunity, saying the Uighur and Han peoples must be "as close as the seeds of the pomegranate".

But the President also urged "decisive action"¦ to resolutely suppress the terrorists' rampant momentum".

And in the short term, this action is more visible than the other.


China continues to grapple with the 'rampant momentum' of a terrorist threat in Xinjiang

After a brief visit to Xinjiang, my provisional assessment is that despite the police officer telling me "Kashgar was not stable", the overall security situation in the province was under control and there was no meaningful challenge from militant Islam.

I saw a lot of security. On key roads, in airports, on city streets. :ranger:

But I did not see the level of police tension or preparedness that would suggest China was grappling with the "rampant momentum" of a serious terrorist threat.

What I did see instead was a Uighur community under intense surveillance, a community whose already very limited freedoms of speech, religion and movement are now being shrunk further.

Without any legitimate space in which to vent about this, the grim probability is that violence will go on, with some young Uighurs enraged and desperate enough to choose death in a hail of bullets rather than what they see as a life of subjugation.

bbc.com/news/world-asia-30373877

 

[Ray]

@Ray

Genius, Population of Hindus in India was around 88% in 1947, while its around 79% at present, while Muslims at 7.8% in 1947 grew to round 16% of total Indian population to date. while that of Bangladesh, Hindu Population fallen from 32% in 1947 to less than 10% right now, and why? while state of minorities of Pakistan is mostly shameful, not worth discussing...

India is a non-religious country, as compare to Islamic Fanatic countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. so this statistic isn't surprised to world, the statistics since freedom of Indian subcontinent since 1947.....

but we do have to defend ourselves from these 2 rouge neighbors of India, the Pakistan and Bangladesh both. and we have every right to do so, as discussed in this thread

@genius is the one who is Sir Obudullah, He would be better versed to comment.

 

[Dovah]

There is no need to blame or fear Bangladesh. Bangladeshis are basically very nice, innocent people. Blame the Indians. The Hindu leaders in India today are no different from the Hindu kings a thousand years ago - constantly fighting among themselves, allowing other people to grab our land, etc. So blame Hindus for being greedy, so greedy that they're ready to give up our land for votes or other political benefits. Hindus have always been political prostitutes, will even compromise national security for the sake of power or money. Others, like the immigrants, are simply exploiting this tendency. So why blame others?

If I had a rupee for every logical statement in the quoted text, I would have 0 rupees.

 

[rock127]

There is no need to blame or fear Hindus. Hindus are basically very nice, innocent people. Blame the Pakis. The Paki leaders in Pakistan today are no different from the coward kings a thousand years ago - constantly fighting among themselves, allowing Moguls to grab Hindu land, etc. So blame Pakis for being greedy, so greedy that they're ready to give up our land for votes or other political benefits. Pakis have always been political prostitutes, we Pakis will even compromise national security for the sake of power or money. Others, like the immigrants, are simply exploiting this tendency. So why blame others? We Pakis are real coward,convert and prostitute by birth, it's in our genes which was changed by Moguls who raped our coward ancestors.I think we all Pakis should convert back to Dharmic religions and accept Akhand Bharat and MODI as our supreme leader.

Now you make a lot of sense.

You are a genius.