Bangladesh : The Next South Asian Power?

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where do you get these info really?

Last time i checked, Nepal is an indian protectorate. And myanmar is abandoning china. Its your country which is currently providing lots of developmental works to the Chinese, despite taking 3.5bn$ of aid from us... Besides, myanmar send illegal immigrants into our country, but your country does
where do you get your info ?

Nepal and Myanmar are both getting cozy with China, Myanmar imo is closer to China today than it is to India. Nepalese maoists class are wary of India, royalists/upper class are pro-India
 

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where do you get your info ?

Nepal and Myanmar are both getting cozy with China, Myanmar imo is closer to China today than it is to India. Nepalese maoists class are wary of India, royalists/upper class are pro-India
Paaji the Burmese Junta is nowhere Pro-China IMO they are wary of China and they harbour the suspicon that theChinese support Kachin rebels.Look at the India cozying in this angle.Regarding Nepal Prachanda knows well that he will meet a very horrible fate if he does something stupid wrt to India
 

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Nepal has voted Prachanda's Maoist as the largest political party.

When he was the PM he made the first foreign visit to China and not to India, as it was the earlier tradition.

In addition:

Maoist chief Prachanda will be embarking on a week long visit to China on Sunday on a "friendly invitation", his second visit to the Communist nation within a month, even as the former guerrillas continued with their anti-government agitation in Nepal.

This visit follows Prachanda's trip to Hong Kong last month, where he was reported to have secretly met Chinese officials, sparking speculation that he lobbied "for dismantling the present dispensation" in Nepal.

Prachanda is scheduled to leave for Beijing on Sunday, a close aide to Prachanda said. However, the agenda and other details of the visit is not yet known.
Prachanda to visit China on Sunday - Indian Express
Myanmar has maximum commercial interest with China and a very close relations militarily with China. It is only recently that the Maynmar Govt rescinded the plan to have a Dam constructed by China in Myanmar, owing to popular resentment,

Daw Aung San Suu Kyi has also made overtures to China wherein she claimed that she was not against China and her interests.
 
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If you look at the history, you will see that when the British left, they drew the map clearly between Burma and Arakan State, whose people were called Rohingya's . The Burmese annexed it, called these people muslim and Bengali's and if you read some independent report like UN reports, you will get an idea what they have been doing ever since. These people are living as refugees in our country for decades now. And they are in millions now, and they don't use birth control stuff i guess. It's a huge drain in our economy. Of course we want to sort it out for once and all. Wouldn't you?
If Burma annexed it and none raised an objection or opposed it, I reckon it has become a part of Burma.

They don't want the Muslims in their country, and more so since they are not quite like the mainstream Burmese in culture and so some extent, physical characteristics.

Yes, there are many Rohingyas who are refugees and there is no doubt that they are a drain on BD's economy and that is why they are also pushed back.

If they don't believe in Birth Control, it is for the BD Govt to educated them because, after all, they are being a drain on BD.

Indeed one should sort out the issue, but is Burma listening?
 

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NEW DELHI: Nepal's new Maoist PM, Prachanda, has made his choice clear. Within a week of taking office, he is breaking bread with the Chinese leadership at the closing ceremony of the Olympics in Beijing, preferring it over meeting the Indian leadership in New Delhi.

The political overflight of New Delhi has not gone unnoticed here — Prachanda would be the first Nepalese leader to make Beijing his first stop and not New Delhi.
TIMES OF INDIA REPORT:

Nepal PM Prachanda choses China over India
24 Aug 2008, 2342 hrs IST, Indrani Bagchi,TNN
 

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Last time i checked, Nepal is an indian protectorate.
Nepal is NOT a protectorate of India!

Check before writing.
 

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Mad Indian...say it to any educated Nepalese that Nepal is an Indian protectorate...it will be fun :D

Being a football fan I used to visit Goal.com during SAFF football and then AFC challengers. I felt most of the Nepalese supporters are very much against India. The call Indians "Dhoti" (we started clling them choukidars). They feel they are superior as they were not conquired by the British. Still today Nepal is favourite spot of ISI for their anti-Indian activities. And Anti-Indian riot in Kathmandu is not very old either.
 

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More competition for China in South Asia?
Russia to issue $1bln loan to Bangladesh to buy Russian arms | Big News Network
Rostec :: News :: Bangladesh to buy Russian BTR-80

Russia and Bangladesh negotiate the weapon procurement within the Russian $1 billion loan. The country is mostly interested in BTR-80 armoured troop carrier delivery as currently the contract nomenclature is being discussed.

According to the Strategy and Technology Analyses Centre report, in the middle of February, 2012 Russia was to deliver 3 Mi-171Sh rotorcrafts to Bangladesh. Viktor Komardin, Rosoboronexport deputy CEO, said that Bangladesh, Myanmar and Brunei with the upcoming army modernization might be our glorious export prospects.

In the middle of the January after the negotiations with Bangladesh authorities, Mr Putin announced that Russia will grant country the $1billio loan for Russian military equipment purchase. Another $500 million loan to Bangladesh will be given for NPP construction.
 

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Bangladesh separated itself from Pakistan and embarked on a Liberation War 43 years ago. A valid question may arise: Does our present economic performance justify the decision of our great leaders to be separated from Pakistan in 1971? While independence is always a basic right and has no alternative, this question may be answered from a purely economic point of view. Accordingly, comparing Bangladesh's economy with Pakistan's becomes imperative. Although there are numerous variables to compare two economies, this writing focuses only on the major macro variables: gross domestic product (GDP) and per capita income (PCI).
Using the World Bank data for these two countries, three phases have been demarcated for comparison, as shown in the diagram. The first phase includes policy changes from socialist planning to capitalist transition by comprising the regimes of Bangabandhu, General Zia, and General Ershad. The second phase marks the reforms spreading over multiple regimes of Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina. The third phase is constructed on projection by using the data of the 2001-2012 period.
The diagram shows that in 1972, Bangladesh's GDP was three-fourth the size of Pakistan's GDP. Pakistan overgrew Bangladesh in the years since until the early 1990s. Despite postwar anomalies, Bangladesh grew at 4% over the 1972-1979 period when Pakistan grew at 5%, making the relative output comparison even worse for us. Bangladesh's GDP volume slid down to 60% of the corresponding Pakistani figure at the end of the 1970s.
Our output difference with Pakistan continued to widen in the regimes of President Zia and President Ershad, who witnessed Bangladesh's highest growth differential with Pakistan. In the 1980s, Pakistan left Bangladesh far behind in output by growing at as high as 7% when Bangladesh grew poorly at 3%, further reducing the comparative output share for Bangladesh to as low as 50% of Pakistan's GDP volume. Thus, Bangladesh reaches its lowest point in comparison with Pakistan in terms of the size of the economy in 1992.
The turning point for Bangladesh emerged in the early 1990s along with the new era of democratisation. The country embarked on liberalisation to engineer a new trajectory of growth, and began to outperform Pakistan by reaping the harvests of democracy and globalisation, but Pakistan failed considerably in this regard. Bangladesh electrified a new growth path by jumping up from 3% growth in the 1980s to 5% in the 1990s. Conversely, Pakistan's growth slid down from 7% in the 1980s to 4% in the 1990s, and the country could not escape the trap of 4% growth in the 2000s, and even until today. In contrast, Bangladesh accelerated to reach the 6% level over the 2000s and beyond.
The gradual strengthening of the market economy and liberalisation over the last two decades empowered Bangladesh to outgrow Pakistan in a consistent manner. In 1971, Pakistan had never imagined that a war-ravaged country like Bangladesh would ever stand up, and so did many Washington policymakers including President Nixon and diplomat Kissinger. But the reversal of fate began to sprout since the early 1990s. Bangladesh started to unleash its potential that challenged Pakistan's economic capacity, making the dream of our great leaders come true.
Based on the average growth rates of the last 12 years (2001-2012), which was 6% for Bangladesh and 4% for Pakistan, it can be projected that Bangladesh will exceed the size of Pakistan's economy by 2033. Simply, Bangladesh will surpass a South Asian giant in 20 years, which was almost unthinkable just 20 years ago when Pakistan's economy was twice as big as Bangladesh's.
The story of per capita income (PCI) is even more interesting. Pakistan's PCI was double the size of Bangladesh's in 1992. Given the trend of growth in PCI, Bangladesh is most likely to exceed Pakistan's PCI in less than 10 years, say, by 2023 -- 10 years earlier than when Bangladesh's GDP will exceed Pakistan's. Bangladesh enjoys a cutting edge in PCI mainly because of its successful population control, productive education, women empowerment, and encouraging social indicators -- some of them are even brighter than India's.
Over the last 12 years (2001-2011), while Pakistan's population growth was close to 2%, Bangladesh's was slightly over 1%. Bangladesh's youth literacy is 79% (2011) and Pakistan's 71% (2009). Moreover, the curricula and quality of Pakistan's education warrant further investigation as to why the country's education is not reflecting a desirable level of productivity growth. Over the last 12 years (2001-2012), Bangladesh's PCI growth (4.57%) was more than double of Pakistan's (2.2%), making the reversal of fate inevitable. After 43 years of independence, Bangladesh can now proudly justify its separation from Pakistan through the lens of the economy.

The writer is Associate Professor of economics at the State University of New York at Cortland.
 

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Post #110 by the State University of New York professor was interesting. Some additional points.

1. Bangladesh is essentially a homogeneous state whilst Pakistan is a heterogeneous one. Being heterogeneous isn't necessarily a bad thing. The problem is Pakistanis are by nature a violent and partisan people whether it comes to race, tribe, caste, sect hence Pakistan is unstable e.g. its conflict-ridden biggest city, Karachi where the different ethnic groups are in violent conflict with each other.

2. This leads on to my second point, Bangladeshis are generally a mild and peaceful race unlike Pakistanis. Bengalis do not see themselves as a major power or inheritors of a great imperial or martial tradition as the Turks do with the Ottomans, the Iranians with the Safawis and the ancient Persians or the Pakistanis with the Mughals and others. We do not seek conflict with India (bar the exception of the Pakistani funded & supported BNP-Jamaat nexus) and our priority lies in economic development.

3. If we develop economically we will be more like Canada, Switzerland, Sweden all of whom are prosperous but are not aggressive and take pride in their relative neutrality or peaceful foreign policy.

4. We have a long way to go and our problems include:

- Poverty
- Ecological problems
- Population density
- Partisan political conflict
- Literacy problems (though that's better than other south Asian countries and more a problem with the elder generation).
- Centralization, with everything based in Dhaka e.g. industries, politics etc.

I don't see Bangladesh as a south Asian "power" i.e. trying to wield influence over others and act big (not very easy when we are sandwiched between two nuclear giants, India and China) but perhaps an economic success story.
 

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It will be good to see if Bangladesh's economy surpasses Pakistan's.
I am sure they are on track and when they do it Pakistan must commit suicide.
 

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In order to become the next SA power BD would have to improve its infra and attract FDI in manufacturing especially from CJK ~ China Japan and Korea, whose capital is on the lookout for opportunities.

Chinese are building a mega project the Padma Multipurpose Bridge with a 100-year gurantee after the World Bank canceled its funding for the project.

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In order to become the next SA power BD would have to improve its infra and attract FDI in manufacturing especially from CJK ~ China Japan and Korea, whose capital is on the lookout for opportunities.
When the current government first took power the issue of power shortages, load shedding was very acute. To their credit they've solved it hence no one talks about it. Even in propaganda sites such as ********** none of the Jamaatis talk about real problems such as power shortage because it's basically been solved, instead they complain of Bangladesh being an Indian "puppet state" (read, Bangladesh wants to have friendly relations with India unlike Jamaat's masters, Pakistan who want conflict between the two).

Infrastructure is what is being focused on now, also other things such as liberalizing regulations to attract more FDI, creating a more educated workforce.

But infrastructure is the most important part.

Chinese are building a mega project the Padma Multipurpose Bridge with a 100-year gurantee after the World Bank canceled its funding for the project.
I am very happy at the aid from the people's republic of China who have achieved outstanding economic success and removed tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.

The Padma bridge could even potentially raise our GDP growth by 1% and connects 1/4-1/3 of the country to the rest.

It's great credit to China that they are involved in this nation-changing project!
 

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P.S We don't seek to be a "power" just a prosperous country.

We would prefer to be like Norway, Canada, New Zelanad i.e. developed countries without a big ego rather than states like Turkey, Iran, Germany that like to flex their muscles and dominate others.
 

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P.S We don't seek to be a "power" just a prosperous country.

We would prefer to be like Norway, Canada, New Zelanad i.e. developed countries without a big ego rather than states like Turkey, Iran, Germany that like to flex their muscles and dominate others.
I've been SA countries but not BD yet. Luckily encountered B'deshis in every tour, like months ago a BD monk at an ancient Buddhist rock temple.

U've already captured the very essence of “power” ~ like even in Kathmandu a capital maybe 1/3 or less of time without power outage, unthinkable in modern days.

But a bit hard to be a Norway or NZ to be realistic, BD population is probably 10x these countries added up. That's why Canada is better off by pipelining their oil to US and Norway easily manages their sovereign wealth fund thanks to oil too. What BD faces is tougher entailing a boom of labour intensive manufacturing. Additionally your religious extremism...

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good that BD becomes prosperous n developed nation. but this things will only happen if BD dont fall in mullahs trap like Pakistan.
 

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Actually India is the one providing any aid here.
http://bdnews24.com/economy/2015/07...million-grant-it-had-pledged-for-padma-bridge
China is investing the money i.e for returns.
I appreciate aid from any of our Asian neighbours be it India or China, though it's Japan then China which help us the most. It would be appreciated if officials in New Delhi made it easier for us to export our goods to India without obstacles :)

But a bit hard to be a Norway or NZ to be realistic, BD population is probably 10x these countries added up. That's why Canada is better off by pipelining their oil to US and Norway easily manages their sovereign wealth fund thanks to oil too. What BD faces is tougher entailing a boom of labour intensive manufacturing. Plus your religious extremism...
I used random examples of pacific western countries to draw a contrast with the sort of countries we don't want to be like. As long as poverty in Bangladesh is reduced and the average Bangladeshi has a decent life, I'm happy.
 

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