Discussion in 'Foreign Relations' started by Darth Malgus, Oct 3, 2016.
Post all news related to Baluchistan here
For a while I was getting the feeling that BLF was losing momentum. But clearly not. Looks like they've been inspired by actions that (never!) happened recently.
New Tarana to our balooch warriors
BALOOCH HOGA AZAD
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They are loosing dozens of soldiers every month, look at their time line......This is 10x worse than Kashmir...
October 3, 2013
This is Balochistan
Good steer to the timelines. paki media is of course burying the news but our media is clearly not doing enough - more exposure is needed. Should be part of MEA's mandate to isolate pakiland.
Another Video of an BLA Ambush.................
Pak Army Camp attacked in Mand Baluchistan....
Isn't there already a thread related to this topic
It may be what Americans call a double whammy for Pakistan Army generals. To the delight of the Baloch and the anguish of Pakistan, Islamabad’s nightmare about a Yehud o Hunood sazish or “Jewish-Hindu Plot” to undo the Islamic Republic may finally be taking shape – not as a sinister cloak-and-dagger plot but as state policies of two democracies, announced to the world public.
After India, it is most likely that Israel will support the freedom of Balochistan, developments in Europe and North America in the last week of August showed.
As a manifestation of tikkun olam – an article of faith that spurs Jews to take action to repair the world – Israelis and Jews are increasingly voicing support for the freedom of France-sized Balochistan, where Pakistan is allegedly committing crimes against humanity.
For example, in the last week of August, Yehudah Glick, member of Knesset, and Michael Mendelsen, president of Israel’s Voice, at two separate events in Leipzig, Germany, and Washington DC vowed they will help raise the voice for freedom of Balochistan in Israel, the only secular democracy in West Asia. The two Jewish gentlemen, with US and Israeli connections, spoke at events to mark the 10th anniversary of martyrdom of Balochistan statesman Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, former governor and chief minister of Balochistan. Nawab Bugti was assassinated on the orders of Pakistan coup leader and military dictator General Pervez Musharraf.
India-friendly Nawab Brahumdagh Bugti, Swiss-based political successor of the slain leader and president of the Baloch Republican Party, speaking on the occasion, said: “In addition to the US, I also call upon NATO countries and Israel to help defend human lives in Balochistan by upholding R2P (responsibility to protect).” Bugti profusely thanked Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his support to Balochistan.
Glick promised he will do everything he can within the Israeli Parliament to help the Baloch people obtain freedom. “We of all people have to recognise that the Balochi people are suffering under the oppression of the Pakistani government,” he spoke by skype to a seminar organised by Jawad Baloch, president of Baloch Republican Party’s Germany chapter, to honour slain Nawab Bugti, 79.
“We in Israel identify with the suffering of the people of Balochistan,” Glick said, adding: “Many people have been killed by the inhumane behaviour of the Pakistani government. I think it is time to tell the Pakistani government that they have no right to threaten other people. They have no right to terrorise other people. We in Israel identify with your suffering and we call upon the world not to ignore the suffering of the peoples in Pakistan…”
Glick cited American historian Prof. M Chris Mason who says Baloch ruler at the time of the 1947 Partition of India, Mir Ahmadyar Khan, was seeking the help of India’s first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru to thwart Pakistani military aggression. Balochistan was granted independence separately from India and Pakistan and The New York Times reported the event.
Glick, who is a rabbi, said: “I want to share with you the true love of the prophets of Israel. The age of freedom will come because you deserve it. You deserve independence.”
He emphasised: “The Pakistani government should end the occupation. We will eventually share with you the freedom that you deserve. I will call upon the Israeli government to support the people of Balochistan.” Jawad Baloch, who organised the Leipzig event and has been busy seeking Indian and Israeli voices of support, said he was awe-inspired by Glick’s honest love for Balochistan. “I believe he has felt our pain because he was also a victim of terror,” he said. The Knesset member had survived an attempt on his life by Islamists.
Israel’s Voice president Mendelsen, who came from Miami all the way to Washington DC along with his beautiful Israeli wife Shoshi Marciano to address ‘Americans Remember Shaheed Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti’, quoted from an article titled ‘Kurds, Baloch and Israelis” written by Elisa Greenberg.
She said: “Just as the Jewish people were left without a Jewish state for thousands of years and occupied by others, from the Romans to the Byzantines to the Ottomans, the Kurdish and Baloch people are also nations without a country. The land of Kurds is divided between Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and parts of Syria, Armenia and Azerbaijan, while the Baloch reside in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. Just as the Jewish people never gave up on the Jewish state of Israel, the Kurds and Baloch have never been willing to give up their dream” of having their own free countries, where they could be masters of their own destiny without outside coercion.
Mendelsen, whose son works for the Israel Defense Forces, said Greenburg further writes and he concurs that: “In 1948, Pakistan attacked Balochistan, occupied the land, looted its natural resources , and suppressed the Balochi language and culture in classic colonialist style. Under the Pakistani occupation, thousands of Baloch people have been massacred, hundreds of thousands made refugees, and thousands more have disappeared or been tortured and jailed, often without trial. Details of Pakistan’s human rights abuses in Balochistan are well documented by Pakistani and international human rights groups, including the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.”
Mendelsen said Pakistan is one of the countries that are in the forefront when it comes to anti-Semitism. “While it sheds tears over Kashmir and Judea and Samaria aka West Bank, Pakistan security forces’ atrocities against the Baloch have few parallels in recent times,” he asserted.
Jewish media has been recently focusing on Balochistan’s freedom movement. It was the first time in Balochistan’s history that the stage was shared by an important Baloch freedom leader Bugti with an Israeli member of parliament belonging to Likud Party and an NGO activist.
As both Glick and Mendelsen staunchly support Benjamin Netanyahu, it is expected the Israeli premier will announce support for a free Balochistan shortly. Last month, Modi announced support to the Baloch people and said Pakistan will have to answer to the international community for its crimes in Balochistan. In fact, former Afghan president Hamid Karzai backed Modi’s views on stopping Pakistan’s atrocities in Balochistan, and the Sheikh Hasina Wajid government in Dhaka also concurs with Modi.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi used a speech at his Bharatiya Janata Party’s meeting at Kozhikode, Kerala, to pose a direct question to the people of Pakistan. The choice of venue was significant: Kozhikode is a majority-Muslim port and trading centre that has had close contacts with the Middle East for many centuries. Modi asked the Pakistanis, in a speech delivered in Hindi and translated only to Malayalam, the language of Kerala: “Remember how things were in East Pakistan? How are things going in Gilgit-Baltistan today? Pakhtoonistan? Baluchistan?” He followed that by saying: “The day is not far when the people of Pakistan will rise against their leaders”. He dismissed the civilian leadership of Nawaz Sharif as “reading from a script provided by terrorists”.
The allusion to East Pakistan should send chills down any Pakistani spine: the comparison in the same breath to the present provinces of Pakistan, all restive and troubled, should set the red lights flashing. The mention of the term “Pakhtoonistan”, used by Pathan freedom-fighters in Pakistan’s North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) seeking to secede from Pakistan, was the first by an Indian prime minister in living memory.
There was evidently a lot more to the “surgical strike” by Indian Special Forces across the Line of Control (LoC), than what India or Pakistan have admitted. Present estimates from knowledgeable circles in India are that there were seven separate incursions, disguised by several other artillery, helicopter sorties and feints that drew Pakistani reinforcements away. At least 70 Pakistani terrorists and Pakistan Army terrorist-handlers are claimed to be killed, with many more believed to have been killed in explosions. Apparently, the Special Forces (SF) had got in behind the so-called launching pads that the terrorists used to sneak into India, and when the terrorists gathered there, the attacks were launched with deadly effect.
More ominous is the report that the Pakistanis have captured/kidnapped a 22-year-old Indian solder from the paramilitary Rashtriya Rifles force. The kidnapping is not new: Pakistani terrorists have targeted lone sentries many times. Invariably, the soldiers were tortured and ritually beheaded, ISIS-style; the Pakistan Army denied all knowledge, and the terrorists bragged about it in Lahore and Karachi and were loudly praised and rewarded by their terrorist compatriots.
So why now did the Pakistan Army announce this capture and identify the soldier? Clearly they wish to trade him, and which means, India has captured one or more high-value targets alive. This explains the use of ground-based Special Forces (SF), along with the stated use of helicopters for a very short trip across the LoC. Since India is clearly able to detect terrorist launch pads and gatherings using drones and space assets, missile strikes would have achieved the aim of causing a very educative death toll, but without ground forces there was no way to bring back captives.
India’s subsequent moves are interesting. Even before the SF strikes were announced, there were local reports of trainloads and then road convoys of heavy equipment and forces being moved to the border. The border villages have been evacuated. The ostensible reason is to minimise casualties from the expected “revenge” artillery strikes from Pakistan, and the observation of a heavy buildup on the Pakistan side, but one wonders.
A galaxy of senior officers has been reported to be visiting forward areas, and basically telling the troops to prepare for “war”.
Meanwhile, Indian diplomatic efforts are in full swing, and have effectively ensured that there has been no peep of criticism against India. There is unanimous recognition that terrorism from Pakistan is unacceptable, and that India has exhausted all avenues, indeed bent over backwards, trying to establish peace and friendship. Of particular note are Prime Minister Modi’s initiatives in inviting Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to his swearing-in, and then doing his unannounced and daring stopover in Lahore to attend a social function with the Pakistani Prime Minister. The continued Pakistani mischief in Jammu-Kashmir is thus held up as clear proof of Pakistani malice and intransigence.
The Indian government has come out and emphasised forcefully that all of the region of Kashmir and the Northern Areas are legitimate parts of India, illegally occupied by Pakistan in gross violation of UN resolutions.
About a year or two ago, the European Parliament, after detailed investigation by their own team, reported their complete alignment and acceptance of India’s position. Given their recent experience of Islamic terror, often with ties to Pakistan, and the visible evidence of what an Islamic state is, it is not surprising that patience in Europe is at an end.
The US, Pakistan’s long-time weapons and funds supplier, has clearly lost patience, as Pakistani Taliban attacks render the entire US/North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) efforts in Afghanistan meaningless. As US President Barack Obama nears the end of his term that started with his ramping-up of drone strikes against terrorists inside Pakistan, the US is facing a far worse defeat in Afghanistan than the Soviets faced in 1990. Clearly this must be galling, and the finger of culpability points directly at Islamabad.
Given all the above, the climate is more amenable than ever before, for India to solve the Pakistan Problem. These calculations have no doubt been noted in New Delhi.
Immediately after the Pakistani terrorist attack on the Indian military camp, in Uri, Pakistan went on red alert. F-16 fighter aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force were reported flying on full afterburner, and releasing flares over Islamabad in a display of light and thunder. More ominously, six F-16s were reported as having been moved to Skardu, reputedly the launching base for nuclear-armed fighter-bombers. Skardu is located in a deep valley in the Northern Areas occupied by Pakistan, open to the north and protected by high, steep mountains towards the Indian side.
Given all these highly visible defence preparations and bravado, the ability of the Indian Special Forces to penetrate behind Pakistani lines, wait several days, launch devastating attacks at seven different points and return unscathed to India, all shows the Pakistani Army in a very poor light. This has to be taken as a devastating blow to the honour and dignity of the Pakistan Army, no doubt likely to lead to dismissals and courts martial – and perhaps create the conditions that have led to a coup d’etat in the past. Pervez Musharraf conducted a coup when faced with arrest and court martial for his disastrous leadership of the Kargil misadventure in 1999/2000. Today Nawaz Sharif, with a clear memory of being at the receiving end of that coup, will no doubt want to act pre-emptively against those responsible for the LoC debacle.
A swift assault that destroyed the Pakistani Army infrastructure in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), coupled with perhaps an uprising in Gilgit-Baltistan, Baluchistan and Pakhtoonistan, would very likely isolate the Pakistani regime’s forces in Pakistani Punjab (also known derisively in some circles as Pakjab).
Indeed, the Pakistani Army has used the same tactic as the ISIS, of using “non-state actors” described as “Pathan tribesmen” to horrible effect on civilians, society and democracy in Jammu-Kashmir (1948), Kashmir Valley (1965, and 1989 onwards), and Gilgit-Baltistan under Pervez Musharraf and Osama bin Laden (circa 1998). These “tribesmen” can equally well direct their attention on the mansions, kleptocracy and fashionable womenfolk of Islamabad and Lahore. So in the event of a large-scale destabilisation, Pakistan’s government would have to pull in the army in short order to protect Pakjab from the same “Mujaheddin”. Today the threat of the Islamic state also looms large against the relatively ‘secular’ upper classes of urban Pakjab.
The signs and implications are interesting, and it should be exercising minds on both sides of the Line of Control and beyond.
soo anyone willing to put the pieces of the puzzle together ?
I agree! Our media must highlight the atrocities being committed in Balochistan and show to the world what's going on there.
According to Tarek Fatah, freedom fighters are being thrown out of helicopters!!
we also need a global channel for all kinds of propaganda like CNN , RT or CCTV. and we need it now
We already have one. It's called Doordarshan.
Well I think Times Now or Zee Media should take the lead for creating an international news channel. Both of them have enormous resources and intel sources.
WION news part of Zee group..........
Pakistan ‘SHOCKED’ By India’s New Baloch Policy, Says Columnist Tarek Fatah
Pakistan-born Canadian journalist and author Tarek Fatah, whose acerbic dismissal of radical Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood have won him fans and followers in India, says he’s an Indian at heart.
Fatah, a regular in Indian television studios, says he sees no future for Pakistan with provinces such as Baluchistan and Sindh struggling to break free. The founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress hails India’s shift in its Baluchistan policy claiming it has turned the international focus on an issue which was kept under wraps.
In an interview with Hindustan Times, he talks about Baluchistan, India-Pakistan relations and the unrest in Kashmir.
What do you think is the endgame for the Baluchistan struggle?
Until a few years ago, it could have been resolved in a way whereby it could have been part of the federation based on what some of the nationalist politicians had presented - a six-point plan remarkably similar to what Sheikh Mujib Ur Rehman had done and won the election on in 1970.
It said, since it is a federating unit, the Centre should remove military positions in civilian areas and the army should go back to the barracks. That center would have to respect the electoral decision made through free and fair elections.
Another point was that the indigenous people would not have their rights diluted by getting millions of settlers to alter the ethnic balance. Similar to what Hawaii has or Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir. This was presented by the former chief minister Sardar Akhtar Mengal. He said it was the last offer.
The government completely rejected it and this is what sent the signal that the only option Islamabad suggested is subjugation and eradication of the Balochi language.
Baloch representatives are talking about a government in exile. What is your view?
In the past there used to be a central command, this time, there are four to five different military structures, depending on geographical areas. The day their command structures come under some sort of a unified (command), the Pakistani army will have no way of resolving this.
A government in exile will have to happen. After India’s intervention, there is hope that the Baloch leadership will come together in some sort of a confederacy.
How has India’s shift in Baloch policy been received internationally?
Pakistan is absolutely shocked. They never imagined Indians would even know what is Baluchistan. They keep claiming Indian agents are working there and if they are there is no evidence of this massive Indian aid reaching there. Our friends there still sleep on the rocks, they don’t even have blankets to sleep in the hills.
Pakistan faces a new situation but the rest of the world is learning for the first time. Since most journalists and NGOs have become subservient to public relations companies and rely on press releases and lobbyists; neither the Baloch have the capacity nor the understanding of how international media works. So their voice has never been heard.
Do you then see more countries emulating India’s intervention to stop human rights violations in Baluchistan?
The vice-president of European parliament Rashad Suleymanov said it very explicitly in Geneva that European parliament will move to impose sanctions on Pakistan if the atrocities in occupied Baluchistan do not stop. There are people who are aware of it. A few Congressmen in the United States are aware of it and they too are finding validation of their positions in how India has raised the issue. Up till now, it was a cry in the wild.
What is the situation in Sindh like?
The character of Sindh has been diluted by the Urdu-speaking immigrants who came from India. First, Jinnah took away their main city Karachi and turned it into an Urdu-speaking city where no other language was permitted. This meant 90% of the population was disenfranchised, because they spoke Gujarati, Sindhi and Balochi.
Even Konkani used to be spoken there. The Goan Catholics, the Zoroastrians are all gone. No Gujarati-speaking person could get a job because the requirement was the ability to converse and write in Urdu.
The Sindhis were shoved away from their urban centers.
There is a Sindhu-desh independence struggle but because of the Bhutto family, Pakistan has a regional political party system. The Muslim League’s base is in Punjab, the People’s Party is in Sindh. They are more anti-India and more belligerent against the Baloch than anybody else. They haven’t found the leadership that could lead them in the right direction.
Why are you so bitter when you speak of Pakistan, particularly the Punjabi community there.
It is the colonial power, which has blood on its hands. It bullied itself into its own humiliation when Pakistan was made. 60% of Pakistan spoke Bengali but it is the Punjabis who insisted that Urdu be imposed on Bengalis. The cultural crimes of the Punjabi elite are going to haunt them and if it was one incidence, one could understand. Their attempt to appear as the descendants of Babur and Taimur will launch the retake of Delhi as the Mughal empire evokes bitterness in me. It is an insult to human intelligence and my Punjabi ancestry.
When was the last time you visited Pakistan and do you have family there?
I visited Pakistan last in 2006. My brother had to change his last name. I do have extended family and unfortunately, sometimes they face questions. They have to disown me. That is what restricts most sincere people to speak out because the Punjabi Pakistani state has a very feudal, medieval way of torturing relatives or running away with daughters.
How do you see the current turmoil in Kashmir? Do you agree that the BJP-PDP alliance has not been accepted by the people?
It is an unnatural alliance but that is the nature of parliamentary politics. You had the Lib-Lab alliance (arrangement between the Liberal Democrats and the Labour Party in the UK) and an alliance between the Soviet Union and the United States during the second World War.
Politics and human endeavour require a delicate balance between common objectives and if it is a legitimately elected member of the assembly. My concern more is that nobody took their oath of office in Kashmiri.
This is the Arabisation of the people that is happening and you can notice it in (Hizbul Mujahideen commander) Burhan Wani’s message. This is not Sheikh Abdullah’s language, this message is coming from ISIS.
This is not about occupation or territorial integrity or freedom; this is about Islamisation and domination of the world by a fanatic Islamic-Fascist order. What is really funny is that the Left gets dragged into it and the liberals come up with the defence of the very people who would hang them. How will the Kashmiris defend the waters of Indus being given to Pakistan at their expense?
There is no national interest. They (Kashmiris), a segment of Indian Muslims, and the Indian left want some exotic fantasy of Pakistan to remain there. So they can live the drama of peace, progress, why can’t we live together. It is a complete fraud.
On one side, you have a completely fascist order based on lies and deception and on the other side is the Hindu guilt-ridden liberal class that says we have a model where we can practice outreach and brotherhood but is it the Hindu right-wing that is not allowing that.
The real ultra-right is the Muslim liberal class, it is not the other way round.
You are very critical of the Left.
I think the CPM is the ultra-right wing party in India. How could the left, who are the Marxists, defend the rights of those who are fascists - the Muslim brotherhood, the Jamat-e-Islami.
How could Sitaram Yechuri go to the house of a proclaimed fascist? To the house of a Muslim brotherhood fascist whose aspiration is the world where every non-Muslim will either convert or will have to pay tax. Do you think SA Dange or EMS Namboodiripad would have gone there? I don’t think even Jyoti Basu would have gone there.
He could have gone to a Muslim dancer or architect’s house ... He goes to the worst face of Islam for talks. The ugliest face of Islam is represented by ISIS and they are the ones driving the Kashmir agenda. Why can’t people listen to what Burhan Wani said with two rifles - we don’t want a Caliphate in just Kashmir or India, but all over the world.
Do you want an Indian citizenship?
I would love to but there is not a system in India wherein I could apply for it. Imagine, Portugal’s prime minister is the first European head ever to be of Indian origin, he would I’m sure love to visit Goa. I don’t blame anyone, but it is just how things are.
I have asked but there is no application for citizenship. Our entire family is Mumbai Punjabis, but we can’t be Indians. I am as Indian as anybody else.
As an India watcher, what do you think has changed in India in the past decade?
What is changing in India is the status of young girls. There is something remarkably different between girls on this side of the border and that. Young girls (in schools) are in skirts and ties, on bikes, sitting confidently. You cannot see this in Pakistan. In the 1950s in Lahore, you could see these things. Most women went to work on a bicycle.
There is no one Pakistan - the Balochis and Sindhis want independence, Karachi mayor is in jail, they are in a delusional state; the Pashtuns have been Arabised through the Afghan wars and the Punjabis want to be Urdu speaking. There is a dysfunctional identity crisis but the majority of the ruling class, those who matter are fundamentally hostile and think it is their god-given duty to destroy anything that is un-Islamic.
That’s what they have been taught - Hindus are weak and our job is to civilize them.
You cannot deal rationally with a group of people who are brainwashed. You start abusing on TV. We are dealing with a considerably more rational reasonable people (in India) because of women’s empowerment in India.
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