Balkanizing Pakistan: A Collective National Security Strategy

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Absorbing Sindh or any part of Pakistan is a bad idea.All HELL will break loose.

During the Bangladesh war India had explicitly declared that " India has no territorial ambitions" to get world support

Pakistan will be able to get the MAXIMUM support of OIC and China if we try to absorb any Pak territory.

If there is a civil war between Sindh and Punjab, Let UN ,US ,UK, OIC intervene and save sindh from
a massacre

Punjab will shut off water of sindh .sindh population is 60 million .It is a HUGE BURDEN .
Shut off water? Indus is not a tap in Islamabad.
 

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Shut off water? Indus is not a tap in Islamabad.
You are totally unaware of pakistan 's BITTER internal water disputes. Our internal water disputes between say karnataka and tamil nadu are like children fighting as compared to their disputes.

In pakistan water comes from the north and is allocated to different states for irrigation As usual Punjab pinches more than its share leaving just enough for sindh to just survive.

Water is the ONLY FACTOR because of which Sindh CANNOT escape from Pakistan

Kalabagh and other dams have not been constructed because of strong and bitter opposition from sindh,
which accuses Punjab of wanting to take more waterout of sindh's share
 

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Tsher,
We are already on the way to become the third largest economy sooner or later.

Pankaj,
We are not going to annex Sindh just like that by breaking Pakistan. Let Sindh break away and then in the future if they are willing, they can assimilate with India.
Benefits include, dissolution of Pak Navy which reduces a threat esp its submarines.
IPI line can become either a IBSI line.
Another port closer to hormuz.
Chinese presence from Arabian sea more or less gone.
Sindh is not bad in terms of economy i think.
 
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People I just wanted to know what is the composition of the Pak Army ? And what is the representation of he Sindhis in particular? We know the Pak Army is the most important institution in Pakistan & if Sindhi representation is miniscule it thyey might end up just likle the Balochis instead of becoming independent.
 

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Pak Army is 90% punjabis. Sindh does not have a high representation.
 

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We partitioned Bangladesh because there was anger against pakistan but right now there is not much anger against pakistan inside Sindh or NWFP. We are also not doing enough to wreck them. Like they sent trained Mullahs into Kashmir to do evangelism on the youth and convert them we need to send trained evangelist into Baluchistan to spread anger and brain wash them. They will never want to live with us so what is the point showing restraint.
 

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Balochis are already fighting for freedom. If they manage to succeed, then Sindh too might rise. But yes, the Sindhis right now though being screwed by the punjabis everyday are not rising against the punjabis.
 

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Pak Army is 90% punjabis. Sindh does not have a high representation.
If so it was absolutely stupid of those people to join Pakistan in 1947. Without significant representation in the army any ethnic group is at the mercy of those dominating the army, particularly in a ountry where army chiefs are more powerful than civilian rulers
 

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If an attempt is ever made to balkanise pakistan by US - UK it will lead to an ALL OUT CIVIL WAR.

Pashtoons who are right now, engaged in daily gun fights with sindhis in karachi ,have many scores to settle with Sindhis .

Pak army and Pashtoon fighters will raze karachi to the ground Rather than letting it go away INTACT

PAK ARMY is 90 % punjabi ,not by chance but deliberately .So that SINDHIS and Baloochis can be massacred when they BREAK AWAY.
 

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We partitioned Bangladesh because there was anger against pakistan but right now there is not much anger against pakistan inside Sindh or NWFP. We are also not doing enough to wreck them. Like they sent trained Mullahs into Kashmir to do evangelism on the youth and convert them we need to send trained evangelist into Baluchistan to spread anger and brain wash them. They will never want to live with us so what is the point showing restraint.
you are correct, but over government is ball less, it gives gun to soldier, if we need to shoot at enemies to defend himself, he need to get permission from delhi. the CRPF in Kashmir is given lati, but to defend from stone petting mobs, he need to get permission from Delhi, our RAW people given powers to arrest some terrorists, and to interrogate or execute him, they need to get permission from these babus........ how they work successfully to defend our country or people from anyone with out power to hit with lati.!!!!!!!!
 

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Brahmos, I am yet to see a CRPF personnel with a Lathi.
 

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We have enough problems over here , annexing Sindh would be insanly stupid...just give them independence and have very strong influence over their govt...thats it...
 

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If Pakistan continues its present descent into chaos and as a result if there is a strong uprising like it was in Bangladesh, then India can help indirectly Sindh/Balochistan to separate from Pakistan. But I think it will not be possible unless Pakistan army is significantly weakened and nukes are stripped from Pakistan. Otherwise it will be a blood war with no significant gains for India. We need to wait for opportune time till the Sindhis and Balochis rise against Punjabis very strongly. Until then we need to concentrate on our economy and military.

PS: we should never annex Balochistan or Sindh. They are of no use to us. Let them be independent states which are friendly to India.
 

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If Pakistan continues its present descent into chaos and as a result if there is a strong uprising like it was in Bangladesh, then India can help indirectly Sindh/Balochistan to separate from Pakistan. But I think it will not be possible unless Pakistan army is significantly weakened and nukes are stripped from Pakistan. Otherwise it will be a blood war with no significant gains for India. We need to wait for opportune time till the Sindhis and Balochis rise against Punjabis very strongly. Until then we need to concentrate on our economy and military.

PS: we should never annex Balochistan or Sindh. They are of no use to us. Let them be independent states which are friendly to India.
Pak's nukes are their insurance policy. They are never going to let go of their nuclear arsenal. The only scenario where the Pak army is signifiacantly weakened is when their economy collapses & they can't pay their personnel.
 

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We partitioned Bangladesh because there was anger against pakistan but right now there is not much anger against pakistan inside Sindh or NWFP. We are also not doing enough to wreck them. Like they sent trained Mullahs into Kashmir to do evangelism on the youth and convert them we need to send trained evangelist into Baluchistan to spread anger and brain wash them. They will never want to live with us so what is the point showing restraint.
Are you sure about what ever you said???=heheh
 

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Well my wish is something in the long term not near. I mean may be 15-20 odd years down the line. First the Sindhis have to rise. They are not as motivated as the Balochis are. Once Sindh becomes independent develops friendly relations with india we can think about it. One thing is for sure an independent Sindh will have to rely heavily on india for its security as its representation in the pak army is next to nothing. I am sure slowly we could take them into our fold.
 

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If Pakistan continues its present descent into chaos and as a result if there is a strong uprising like it was in Bangladesh, then India can help indirectly Sindh/Balochistan to separate from Pakistan. But I think it will not be possible unless Pakistan army is significantly weakened and nukes are stripped from Pakistan. Otherwise it will be a blood war with no significant gains for India. We need to wait for opportune time till the Sindhis and Balochis rise against Punjabis very strongly. Until then we need to concentrate on our economy and military.

PS: we should never annex Balochistan or Sindh. They are of no use to us. Let them be independent states which are friendly to India.
It has already started Just there will be appropriate time for india to intervene.Remember i took 30yrs to break east and west pakistan marriage from 1947.of which 1st 10 yrs were of the honeymoon.Oh Btw Both Baluchistan and sindh are of immense value to india and are easily integrable unless idian leadership repeat nehru's mistake like kashmir.To cut the dominant punjab down to size india needs to integrate both of them.
 

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Let us bring CHINA in the equation

If India goes about ABSORBING Sindh and Baluchistan , even if it is 20 years from now, will CHINA AND OIC STAY QUIET.

China is trying to increase its presence in Arabian sea and Indian Ocean


Why will China allow India to TAKE , what it feels is its STRATEGICALLY INVALUABLE area of Sindh and baluchistan which allows China direct access to Arabian Sea and the Persian Gulf.

China will give 100 BILLION DOLLARS to Pakistan in CASH to Pakistan Army to buy weapons to fight India
BUT WONT allow India to gain such a permanent advantage.
 

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Ajtr I think Balochis are fiercely independent. They will not come into our fold. They will be friendly with us. Sindh is very much integrable.
 

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Ajtr I think Balochis are fiercely independent. They will not come into our fold. They will be friendly with us. Sindh is very much integrable.
Balochis though are fiercely independent have stark chioce facing them.either they will be run our by pustoons or iran will gobble them up.Balochis are in just 10 millions in population.Even balochi leaders have talked about the the option of going along with india.I think autonomy option might be pursued with balochis in the starting.Btw its the prerogative of india to keep external plasyers out of indian sub continent.
 

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