Balkanization of Pakistan

[I_PLAY_BAD]

It was sucking US when Bangladesh happened. It is still possible.

Ha ha it was possible because we had a strong USSR backing us. What is the situation today ?
Today or tomorrow an unstable Pakistan will hurt many butts in international arena.
Even I will enjoy to the core if Pakistan is shredded and fragmented. But we also need to consider the harsh reality right ??

 

[Bangalorean]

Pakistan will balkanize sooner or later. But let's make sure we don't take back even one inch of that land. We have enough domestic problems as it is, we don't want to be infested with that shit. We have no interest in becoming another failed state.

Last of all PoK. That is highly radicalized and a Jihadi hotbed. There is no need to take over that territory. Similarly, Pakjab and Sindh and Balochistan can go their own way.

The only region I am interested in, is Gilgit-Baltistan. Primarily because they have a route for us to access Central Asian resources through the Wukhan corridor. That is what we need. Probably have GB as a vassal state with sovereignty, but with foreign policy and defence in Indian control.

 

[roma]

Balkanization of Pakistan is never going to happen.
So pardon me for throwing a spanner on your wet dreams.
Unless Pakistan is sucking the d****s of US and China it is completely safe and secure.

all due respect to you Bhai-saheb

balkanization of packland is the very next thing on the cards for the zionist-nato alliance once they have sufficiently figured-out the iran mess

and in their view sufficiently deterred or prevented iran from getting a nuke plus solved this syria mess, then b-nisation of pack is THE VERY next HIGH PRIORITY ITEM on their hit-list ......

the packs in military GHQ Rawalpindi already know this which one reason that they have put their nukes into vans and mobile situations, to avoid detection and removal al-la ben Ladin style via US military stealth-raid

It is an absolutely vital prerequisite for israel-nato to b-nize pack land in order for them to remove the nukes so that they can reduce pack from a possible moooslim global strategic player ( the ony one with nukes ) to a reduced-sized country of no importance .......... and they have to do that to remove the nukes from Pakistan which have strategic power and strategic capability

..it is an absolute pre-requisite from their point of view,

you or i might disagree but that so far, to date is their thinking and strategy .

Would China go that far to defend Pakistan if the rest of the world is against Pak? And agreed about the refugee crisis, you just have to not let them in though, it's not like they can run to Europe like the Syrians.

Won't they be continuously sending militants to India if they are in a civil war? And how will Baloch rebels allow lack of coastline access? And what is wrong with giving a-stan territory?

what you have written Is absolutely correct but I am depicting a different scenario I am depicting a scenario where the two nations go to war Pakistan uses 1 or 2 maybe three nukes against India and that gives India the justification to use nukes in retaliation and at the same time when Pakistan is feeling the heat take them to the negotiating table and offer them a solution where they give up POK including Gilgit-B and the coastal area of Baluchistan as I have described in my earlier post

and in return they are rewarded by being allowed to keep the remainder of Pakistan that means they still keep approx 75% of their present territory which is a good deal for them and as they know india has our beloved Kashmir back we desire no more .....oh i forgot, that sindh also goes to india

As for sending militants to India across the border as in my previous post I described it will be too busy preoccupied with internal wars with all the different sections the different ethnicities including the Baluchis including the pakhtuns such that, they will be too engrossed in all that to be able to send stuff across the border and remember they will be reduced in the power no longer a nuke power because those nukes would have t been taken out by then

You think MQM is pro India ?............................

the mohajirs of MQM membership who will remain in the new packland which scenario i have described above will be too busy trying to establish and consolidate themselves in a new push for power and position in the new packland which i have described above and yes, they will be friendly to india for possible help and assistance of all kinds

minimum scenario is as what member @Bangalorean has described above where india recognises that sindh is tough to take and so at the very least we merely take back Gilgit-B'stan and remake our connection with a-stan and c-asia and cut china-pak connection and in that last aspect im sure israel-nato would also back us on that !

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Ha ha it was possible because we had a strong USSR backing us. What is the situation today ?

yes true, we had ussr in those days .....but today we have something even stronger known as the israeli-nato allliance and they are very keen for india to handle pakland and reduce the threat and menace of packland to israeli ambitions in the middle east

you see pack is always helping the arab countries against Israel and they are keen to remove that threat and they would be willing to do it all on their own with nato help but they wouldnt mind giving india a piece of the action and in return a piece of the spoils

so we are no way entirely on our own in fact with the new alignment which narendra is pursuing quite well, we might actually have a better alliance than before with the ussr

Govt is slow on this issue will take a decade.

....... that is the one and only obstacle in our way

 

[Screambowl]

Govt is slow on this issue will take a decade.

 

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. Pakistan is America's surrogate in the south Asia region, in particular their military which rules the country. The ISI is essentially a sub-contractor for the CIA.

2. If America wanted to, they can easily cause the break up of Pakistan as they did with Yugoslavia including causing the financial collapse of the state, not difficult to do so as it is reliant on IMF handouts. However America doesn't.

3. China, Russia and other lesser powers such as Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia are all very strongly devoted to the idea of a united Pakistan. China, because Pakistan is an ally against India. Russia as it sees no benefit in Pakistan breaking up and just causing chaos which could lead to unknown problems. Iran because they do not want to see an independent Balochi state. Turkey and Saudi Arabia because they are in love with Pakistan and adore it.

4. However Pakistan will most probably break up sooner or later and that may primarily be due to the Baloch. The Baloch are a tough tribal people who believe in blood revenge and Pakistan has killed too many of theirs for them to forgive them. The Baloch are a resilient race who have conducted several insurgencies since 1947 against this south Asian giant, Pakistan and its US-backed army.

However the Baloch will continue this fight and render Balochistan ungovernable and destroy China's goals of connectivity to the Persian gulf through Pakistan (i.e. Balochistan).

If an independent Kurdistan emerges then this will be the biggest supporter of the Baloch and Kurdistan seems to be emerging but at a slow pace. Iraqi Kurdistan is de facto independent bar certain issues, Syrian Kurdistan is self-governing amidst the chaos there. Turkish Kurdistan is in a state of severe unrest and most likely to be heading towards autonomy, only Iranian Kurdistan remains.

The Baloch are blood brothers of the Kurds just like Turkey and Azerbaijan and will receive support from the Kurds.

5. If the Baloch gain independence, and that is not too difficult if they were to chose certain guerilla tactics then they can secure independence, then the following day the far more numerous Sindhis who outnumber the Balochis by almost 7 to 1, seeing the success of the far smaller Baloch will start their own insurgency.

Even now Sindhi separatists are able to at short notice put the whole of the interior of Sindh i.e. Sindh outside of Karachi one a general strike. If they block the roads from Karachi to Lahore they suffocate a vital artery to Punjab. The Punjabis, despite their rhetoric and bravado, are not really fighters, not really people who are in it for the long haul and cannot really handle long-term adversity unlike the Baloch, Sindh or Pashtuns.

6. The Pashtuns are the biggest supporters of Pakistan after the Punjabis and are too indoctrinated with pseudo-religious pan-Muslim Pakistani nationalism to support secession. It is really the relatively small but tenacious Baloch who may unravel Pakistan and who are in active military opposition to it unlike the Pashtuns. Even the TTP do not want to break Pakistan but merely retain it and make it a Taliban state, whereas the Baloch want to break away.

The Baloch insurgency may not be as strong as it was a few years ago, but as a religious and spiritual person I believe the Pakistani army has carried out so much brutality there that on a karmic level the supplications (du'as in Arabic) of the oppressed there will be answered and sooner or later they will win their freedom.

America however is pro-Pakistan, and wants to see it intact as are the other 2 major nuclear powers, Russia and China.

 

[Screambowl]

Pakistan will balkanize sooner or later. But let's make sure we don't take back even one inch of that land. We have enough domestic problems as it is, we don't want to be infested with that shit. We have no interest in becoming another failed state.

Last of all PoK. That is highly radicalized and a Jihadi hotbed. There is no need to take over that territory. Similarly, Pakjab and Sindh and Balochistan can go their own way.

The only region I am interested in, is Gilgit-Baltistan. Primarily because they have a route for us to access Central Asian resources through the Wukhan corridor. That is what we need. Probably have GB as a vassal state with sovereignty, but with foreign policy and defence in Indian control.

POK can be taken back.

Just create another Sawat there. People will migrate towards inner Pakistan and then we can do the rest. But before that block the borders.

 

[Bengal_Tiger]

Just to add some more points.

1. What I meant to say is if the Baloch by themselves gain independence then Pakistan is finished.

Baloch break away, Sindhis immediately copy them galvanized by the success of the Baloch (many Sindhis are ancestrally Baloch but Sindhified e.g. Zardari himself so they see the Baloch as their blood brothers) and take on the Punjabi army who will not be able to handle 40 million + Sindhis especially demotivated by the loss of Balochistan. Once Sindh goes it is only a landlocked bi-national union of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, a sad former shadow of the once glorious Pakistan. Neither the Punjabis or Pashtuns would really want to stick in such a union.

- The Punjabis because despite all their talk of "Muslim brotherhood" which they use very profusely and loosely to exploit others, in real terms are not really that devoted to Muslim brotherhood, far from it. They would not want to be in a union with only just troublesome, hot-headed, "backwards", "Pathans" with whom there is a huge cultural gap with.

- The Pashtuns because there is no point in staying in a union with just Punjabis as Pakistan is no longer a multi-ethnic pan-Muslim configuration but a landlocked, humiliated, truncated entity.



2. Pakistan's population is 0.2 billion.

It is riven by ethnic, sectarian, feudal, political tensions.

The population is expanding day by day.

Karachi is collapsing at the seams, the 2nd largest city in the world and growing.

It is a violence-ridden mini-warzone divided ethnically.

The demographic-economic pressures on Pakistan will probably increase so much that it will implode.

One "problem" for Punjabis with Pakistan is that the naturally more aggressive and dominant Pashtuns migrate to both Punjab and Sindh and create ethnic ghettos and dominate Punjabis. Despite all the waffle, Punjabis subconsciously believe that to be Pakistani is "Punjabi" and that anything else is actually a deviation from the ideal norm be it "kalu" (black) Mohajirs, "bewqoof" (stupid) Pathans etc. So they don't like seeing their Punjabi/Pakistani culture being eroded by tribal Pashtuns and other lowland more urban Pashtuns from the north.

Pakistan is not a mature civilian democracy unlike India which has never had a coup but a military state with the cosmetic facade of a civilian administration running the country. It has only once had a successful transfer of power by elections, just two years ago.

Mature societies can reconcile their differences through dialogue and discourse, immature tribal-feudal societies like Pakistan reconcile it through blood and killing as 1971 showed us.


3. The Punjabis are very concerned about their access to water resources and the control India has over that.


I personally believe that India should prioritize economic development and carry on doing what it's doing e.g. building a $2 trillion economy, successful space program to Mars and the Moon and ignore Pakistan as an irritant but not much more. Pakistan will eventually implode anyway despite all the help that the Americans, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Turks and Arabs will give it.

The power of karma is very strong.

 

[roma]

1. Pakistan is America's surrogate in the south Asia region, in particular their military which rules the country. The ISI is essentially a sub-contractor for the CIA.

2. If America wanted to, they can easily cause the break up of Pakistan as they did with Yugoslavia including causing the financial collapse of the state, not difficult to do so as it is reliant on IMF handouts. However America doesn't.

America however is pro-Pakistan, and wants to see it intact as are the other 2 major nuclear powers, Russia and China.

love your scenarios ......will merely take up your points 1 and 2

those situations are changing

read todays news where india and usa are gonna exhange acess to military bases
its a small start but the reliance on paki scenario is fast changing
especially if someone like donald trump comes to be president
and the others too of the republican candidate are not at all pleased with the two-timer pakis ----

the paks game is up , they have been found out - be on the look out for new alignment scenarios

what you have described is accurate for today , but tomorrows scenario is likely to be gradually radically different

pack has good reason to panic and put their nukes in vans and drive around ! :bounce:
( must be lots of job vacancies for drivers as the former ones fall sick with radiation !! )


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[rock127]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You are laughing at the below? BC...laugh more....

Bangladesh / Erstwhile east Pakistan? Kashmir? and now NWFP?

Now Who's laughing!

Joo forgot Siachin?

Poor Pakis cry and whine a LOT about how Indian Army(Allah of Pakis) bitchslapped them and "stole" Sicahin.

Baluchistan is burning too.

 

[Bengal_Tiger]

@rock127 please don't bring religion in to this, there are plenty of Muslims such as myself that want nothing to do with the state of Pakistan and never make any offensive comments about Hinduism. There are plenty of Muslim governments that prefer economically and militarily stronger India to failed duplicitous state, Pakistan.

 

[Bengal_Tiger]

love your scenarios ......will merely take up your points 1 and 2

those situations are changing

read todays news where india and usa are gonna exhange acess to military bases
its a small start but the reliance on paki scenario is fast changing
especially if someone like donald trump comes to be president
and the others too of the republican candidate are not at all pleased with the two-timer pakis ----

the paks game is up , they have been found out - be on the look out for new alignment scenarios

what you have described is accurate for today , but tomorrows scenario is likely to be gradually radically different

pack has good reason to panic and put their nukes in vans and drive around ! :bounce:
( must be lots of job vacancies for drivers as the former ones fall sick with radiation !! )


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Roma trust me, there is no one more than me that would love to see this state and their army cease to exist on the world map.


1. In life and especially in geo-politics, trust no one.

India can trust no one fully be it Bangladesh, Timbuktu and definitely the USA.

The USA is a state which cannot be trusted by anyone and which believes in perpetuating its hegemony by divide and rule and don't underestimate the role of race in their decision-making, they do not believe that a non-white nation like India should attain parity with them.


2. The US is involved in the Christianization of India including sending missionaries to the north-east of India to Christianize Mongoloid ethnic groups, who in the long term will align themselves culturally with the west and can be used by the USA and the west as leverage against India. The Jews did not live in Israel then the west helped to create their state by displacing the Palestinians. In Europe, the Americans backed Muslims such as Bosnians and Albanians to use as leverage against predominantly Christian Europe. The US will use Muslim radicals against non-Muslims if their interests suit them.


3. A Pakistani army destabilizing south Asia, preventing its economic development by insisting on conflict with India, massacring and destroying Muslims and their homes e.g. 3 million Pashtun refugees is exactly what the US wants.

How do they lose out?

This is the optimal solution for them, and also a strong Pakistan helps to drag India down by making it waste its resources on this pest to its west.


4. Despite that, and despite the support Pakistan enjoys from Arabs, Turks, Chinese, Americans, Russians I still believe that they have too much blood on their hands to survive in the long run. Pakistan ultimately will perish due to karma.

The Baloch are a strong, people who do not care about Arabs, Turks, Americans, Chinese, Russians and will carry on until the end.

Around 2-3 years ago they even made the then prime minister Gilani speak of a possible referendum on Baloch independence.

 

[roma]

Roma trust me, there is no one more than me that would love to see this state and their army cease to exist on the world map.


1. In life and especially in geo-politics, trust no one.

India can trust no one fully be it Bangladesh, Timbuktu and definitely the USA.

The USA is a state which cannot be trusted by anyone and which believes in perpetuating its hegemony by divide and rule and don't underestimate the role of race in their decision-making, they do not believe that a non-white nation like India should attain parity with them.


2. The US is involved in the Christianization of India including sending missionaries to the north-east of India to Christianize Mongoloid ethnic groups, who in the long term will align themselves culturally with the west and can be used by the USA and the west as leverage against India. The Jews did not live in Israel then the west helped to create their state by displacing the Palestinians. In Europe, the Americans backed Muslims such as Bosnians and Albanians to use as leverage against predominantly Christian Europe. The US will use Muslim radicals against non-Muslims if their interests suit them.


3. A Pakistani army destabilizing south Asia, preventing its economic development by insisting on conflict with India, massacring and destroying Muslims and their homes e.g. 3 million Pashtun refugees is exactly what the US wants.

How do they lose out?

This is the optimal solution for them, and also a strong Pakistan helps to drag India down by making it waste its resources on this pest to its west.


4. Despite that, and despite the support Pakistan enjoys from Arabs, Turks, Chinese, Americans, Russians I still believe that they have too much blood on their hands to survive in the long run. Pakistan ultimately will perish due to karma.

The Baloch are a strong, people who do not care about Arabs, Turks, Americans, Chinese, Russians and will carry on until the end.

Around 2-3 years ago they even made the then prime minister Gilani speak of a possible referendum on Baloch independence.

nice post and well written
only thing is dont make the same mistake many of us had made in the past

which is .....to say that in life no one can be trusted
there are good people around and we can and i think have to trust them , of course to varying levels

as for usa , i think they are a lot better than what i perceive has been possted as i have always maintained above ....eg they give great opportunities to our folks to be ceo of this that and the other
FLAGSHIP corporations of theirs , like google etc etc .......
plus they give tons of postgrad scholarships to our people

so they are good to us in that particular and we are actually trusting them to quite a large extent for our education and careers

there is a lot of baggage from the idealist days of nehru and company and that baggage is sure taking a heck of a long time to get cleared .....but we can breathe a sigh of great relief the day it's through .......and narendra is doing a great job of that and i appreciate him a lot for that and other things

with Obama the great out of the way soon, the convoluted policies which usa has at the moment should be better straightened out especially if a republican comes to office ....i dont mind donald or cruz or rubio .....either of them has a better understanding of India than the present or the worst who was of that jimmy carter era ....dhimmy carter <!! ....what could be worse

so we are making great progress with usa and the old stuff needs t clear out , i.e. a lot of the old horses on their side needs to retire ....and we shall see much better days ahead ...i think usa is getting really sick and tired of packland and only their military is hanging on to them but soon civilian opinion should prevail and they will openly prefer india to packland


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[Indx TechStyle]

Who would do it, India? US?

Nobody will have to interfere, pakistan is itself doing it.

Coalition of western countries? And how would it work? I can see India and Afghanistan doing it together,

Don't believe pakistani rants. India never hides behind a war torn country. We khullam khulla made Bangladesh. Same thing will happen, if we involve in it

and I can see the west helping out because of Pakistan's unstable nuclear weapons and the Taliban and air lift of evil and hiding Osama and stuff.

pakistanibaby nukes can't give any sort of harm to us. I will explain their nuclear strategy below in red colour. Please read that carefully.

I could potentially see iran helping out because of Pak being saudi's slave, but I doubt it because a free balochistan is dangerous to Iran.

Iran will lose India's partnership in many economical and scientific fields. Also, India can make Baloch people compromise by giving some territory from mainland pakistan. Don't worry.

I would say put northern Balochistan KPK and FATA annexed by Afghanistan. This could be done with the help of Afghanistan and a Western Coalition.

As I told before, no need for a western coalition because first west and China -Russia will be standing against us on this. We should have a position like US, Russia or China in globe before doing this. And wait for some time because it will happen definitely.

Then make the rest of Balochistan, and Sindh (which will be named Sindhudesh) into a separate nation with the effort of a Giant Coalition including India.

Good Idea, we need to have peaceful neighbors like US have Canada, they don't disturb you.

POK can join India through India's efforts alone,

Remaining things also can be done alone.

Finally Punjab can be renamed New Pakistan or just be called Punjab, after being occupied by the coalition and put under martial law until the other regions are built into new countries or added to Afghanistan and India and transitioned into them.

Good Idea, buy India's human development index and other attributes are far better than failed states. (We have 0.609(130th) while pakis are stuck at 0.538(147th)).
Gap will go on increasing butoccupying them can slow down us.We should conside them as independent countries and help them till we are in position to immediately reviving their fragility.

I would also take a few of the eastern most districts of punjab like Nanak Sahib and Lahore and few others in a semicircular region and separate them and then combine them into Khalistan just so that those Sikhs who want it can go there.

Nobody wants Khalistan. This sentiment is almost dead so resurrecting it will create more insgurencies. Don't do that.
Instead we should take cities like Lahore and Karachi as autonomous controlled territories.

If there wasn't the involvement of Nukes,we would've annexed POK by now,just like we annexed Kargil heights(1971) and siachen (1983,1987) in Swift action and turned the CFL line into LOC.

It was the Dogra territory,who were less than 1% of the population and ruling 90% musalman until 1947, POK still has several Hindu lanmarks,Bhimber itself is named after Bhim,kotli has many ancient temples,first Shiva sukta inscribed on stones are only found in Kashmir,however several Muslim districts from present day Jammu cleansed by deadly riots and kicked out muslim refugees to POK,For Ex - Kathua.

Nehru fucked this up,anyways RAW should arm Pashtun fighters and finance them on both sides and hire their influential tribal leader to foment pashtun nationalism among small kids.

Sindhudesh can't be a free country for that Sindhi's are inferior weaklings historically and lack warrior skills,a bloody crackdown from Punjabi Musalman army will broke their back,at best we can do some destabilizing activities like RAW did during Khalistan insurgency in retaliation. (Team CIT - X and team CIT - J)

As for Baluchistan the ongoing low intensity war is enough, they already hate Punjabis to an extent that recently they killed 20 plus non baloch and attacked Badin Radar facility not once but twice. @Zarvan Isn't it right ?

Let me explain nuclear strategy:
After 26/11 attacks, Indian Air Marshal warned that "if such an attack is again originated from pakiland, they will attack pakistan with full force and will break them into several parts." Yet he got back from his words later.
Pakistani response: "We will use small nukes to destroy Indian Conventional forces and will use on even our land if Indian Military interferes."
(They just wanna push Indian Army even if they lose their own people.)D
Indian Response: "okay, but if there's a single ray of bomb touches our territory or you injure any of our personnel by nuke, we will take it as full escalation war and will use full escalation nuclear capabilities."
(We will use our large size thermonuclear bombs, missiles, bombers, nuclear submarines.
We have triad nuclear capability.
They have 3 nuclear reactors we have 21. So we can make nukes at 7 times higher speeds by stopping electric supply whenever needed to make bombs.
Their tiny boms are made for destroying Indian tanks, planes and warships. Our nukes are made to destroy cities.
This is the reason that pakis can only warn us. They will never use nukes because they know what will happen. And this is the reason that India isn't scared of them.
Hear it from paki expert in the video. :

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

all due respect to you Bhai-saheb

balkanization of packland is the very next thing on the cards for the zionist-nato alliance once they have sufficiently figured-out the iran mess

and in their view sufficiently deterred or prevented iran from getting a nuke plus solved this syria mess, then b-nisation of pack is THE VERY next HIGH PRIORITY ITEM on their hit-list ......

the packs in military GHQ Rawalpindi already know this which one reason that they have put their nukes into vans and mobile situations, to avoid detection and removal al-la ben Ladin style via US military stealth-raid

It is an absolutely vital prerequisite for israel-nato to b-nize pack land in order for them to remove the nukes so that they can reduce pack from a possible moooslim global strategic player ( the ony one with nukes ) to a reduced-sized country of no importance .......... and they have to do that to remove the nukes from Pakistan which have strategic power and strategic capability

..it is an absolute pre-requisite from their point of view,

you or i might disagree but that so far, to date is their thinking and strategy .



what you have written Is absolutely correct but I am depicting a different scenario I am depicting a scenario where the two nations go to war Pakistan uses 1 or 2 maybe three nukes against India and that gives India the justification to use nukes in retaliation and at the same time when Pakistan is feeling the heat take them to the negotiating table and offer them a solution where they give up POK including Gilgit-B and the coastal area of Baluchistan as I have described in my earlier post

and in return they are rewarded by being allowed to keep the remainder of Pakistan that means they still keep approx 75% of their present territory which is a good deal for them and as they know india has our beloved Kashmir back we desire no more .....oh i forgot, that sindh also goes to india

As for sending militants to India across the border as in my previous post I described it will be too busy preoccupied with internal wars with all the different sections the different ethnicities including the Baluchis including the pakhtuns such that, they will be too engrossed in all that to be able to send stuff across the border and remember they will be reduced in the power no longer a nuke power because those nukes would have t been taken out by then



the mohajirs of MQM membership who will remain in the new packland which scenario i have described above will be too busy trying to establish and consolidate themselves in a new push for power and position in the new packland which i have described above and yes, they will be friendly to india for possible help and assistance of all kinds

minimum scenario is as what member @Bangalorean has described above where india recognises that sindh is tough to take and so at the very least we merely take back Gilgit-B'stan and remake our connection with a-stan and c-asia and cut china-pak connection and in that last aspect im sure israel-nato would also back us on that !

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yes true, we had ussr in those days .....but today we have something even stronger known as the israeli-nato allliance and they are very keen for india to handle pakland and reduce the threat and menace of packland to israeli ambitions in the middle east

you see pack is always helping the arab countries against Israel and they are keen to remove that threat and they would be willing to do it all on their own with nato help but they wouldnt mind giving india a piece of the action and in return a piece of the spoils

so we are no way entirely on our own in fact with the new alignment which narendra is pursuing quite well, we might actually have a better alliance than before with the ussr


....... that is the one and only obstacle in our way

@roma dear I love your narration and the scenarios are gripping and thrilling.
But we can write a book out of this scenario given the fact that nothing else except a war between India and Pakistan and Pakistan surrendering PoK are going to happen.

 

[Compersion]

Sharif took steps to initiate Islamization and conservatism at once.[36] The continuation of conservative change in Pakistan society was encouraged, a policy started by Zia ul Haq. Reforms were made to introduce fiscal conservatism, supply-side economics, bioconservatism and religious conservatism in Pakistan.[36]

He raised the issue of Kashmir in international forums and worked toward a peaceful transfer power in Afghanistan so as to help end the rampant trading of illicit drugs and weapons across the border.[36] Sharif intensified General Zia-ul-Haq's controversial Islamization policies, and introduced Islamic Laws such as the Shariat Ordinance and Bait-ul-Maal (to help poor orphans widows, etc.); Moreover, he gave tasks to the Ministry of Religion to prepare reports and recommendations for steps taken toward Islamization. He ensured the establishment of three committees.[36]

• Ittehad-e-bain-ul-Muslemeen (Unity of Muslims Bloc)
• Nifaz-e-Shariat Committee (Sharia Establishment Committee)
• Islamic Welfare Committee

He believed in forming a Muslim Bloc by uniting all Central Asian Muslim countries thus he extended the membership of Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO) to all Central Asian countries.[36] Nawaz Sharif was confident that he had majority in the assembly thus he ruled with considerable confidence. He had disputes with three successive army chiefs.[36] Sharif took the issue of environmentalism as part of his government platform, and established the Environmental Protection Agency in 1997, as part of his environmental conservatism policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawaz_Sharif

 

[Bornubus]

Nobody will have to interfere, pakistan is itself doing it.

Don't believe pakistani rants. India never hides behind a war torn country. We khullam khulla made Bangladesh. Same thing will happen, if we involve in it
pakistanibaby nukes can't give any sort of harm to us. I will explain their nuclear strategy below in red colour. Please read that carefully.

Iran will lose India's partnership in many economical and scientific fields. Also, India can make Baloch people compromise by giving some territory from mainland pakistan. Don't worry.

As I told before, no need for a western coalition because first west and China -Russia will be standing against us on this. We should have a position like US, Russia or China in globe before doing this. And wait for some time because it will happen definitely.

Good Idea, we need to have peaceful neighbors like US have Canada, they don't disturb you.


Remaining things also can be done alone.


Good Idea, buy India's human development index and other attributes are far better than failed states. (We have 0.609(130th) while pakis are stuck at 0.538(147th)).
Gap will go on increasing butoccupying them can slow down us.We should conside them as independent countries and help them till we are in position to immediately reviving their fragility.

Nobody wants Khalistan. This sentiment is almost dead so resurrecting it will create more insgurencies. Don't do that.
Instead we should take cities like Lahore and Karachi as autonomous controlled territories.


Let me explain nuclear strategy:
After 26/11 attacks, Indian Air Marshal warned that "if such an attack is again originated from pakiland, they will attack pakistan with full force and will break them into several parts." Yet he got back from his words later.
Pakistani response: "We will use small nukes to destroy Indian Conventional forces and will use on even our land if Indian Military interferes."
(They just wanna push Indian Army even if they lose their own people.)D
Indian Response: "okay, but if there's a single ray of bomb touches our territory or you injure any of our personnel by nuke, we will take it as full escalation war and will use full escalation nuclear capabilities."
(We will use our large size thermonuclear bombs, missiles, bombers, nuclear submarines.
We have triad nuclear capability.
They have 3 nuclear reactors we have 21. So we can make nukes at 7 times higher speeds by stopping electric supply whenever needed to make bombs.
Their tiny boms are made for destroying Indian tanks, planes and warships. Our nukes are made to destroy cities.
This is the reason that pakis can only warn us. They will never use nukes because they know what will happen. And this is the reason that India isn't scared of them.
Hear it from paki expert in the video. :

If our forces crosses the border Paki's will use tactical nukes,no doubt about it,defense literature, experts all are agree to this,on top of that rogue jihadi elements in pak military.

Why do you think we are started spending on several Air defenses in recent time S 400,Barak 8,AAD/PAD etc.

The effective way IMO to countering this is change our pussy nuclear policy and make entire Muslim world as a legitimate target (at least which comes under the range of our Missiles) and convey this message to Paki's.

 

[Screambowl]

If our forces crosses the border Paki's will use tactical nukes,no doubt about it,defense literature, experts all are agree to this,on top of that rogue jihadi elements in pak military.

Why do you think we are started spending on several Air defenses in recent time S 400,Barak 8,AAD/PAD etc.

The effective way IMO to countering this is change our pussy nuclear policy and make entire Muslim world as a legitimate target (at least which comes under the range of our Missiles) and convey this message to Paki's.

True,
the three most influential countries with direct strategic links to Pak, in case of war and if they provide any assistance to Pak. And if Pak goes for nuclear strike against India.

1) Turkey
2) Saudi Arab
3) Kuwait

Take Israel under confidence

 

[roma]

The topic is so addictive ! whoever started it should be congratulated !

@roma dear I love your narration and the scenarios are gripping and thrilling.
But we can write a book out of this scenario given the fact that nothing else except a war between India and Pakistan and Pakistan surrendering PoK are going to happen.

im not sure of your brand of english ( it's good ) whether you are saying we will get Gilgit-Bstan after a war with pack ?

If our forces crosses the border Paki's will use tactical nukes,no doubt about it,defense literature, experts all are agree to this,on top of that rogue jihadi elements in pak military.

Why do you think we are started spending on several Air defenses in recent time S 400,Barak 8,AAD/PAD etc.

The effective way IMO to countering this is change our pussy nuclear policy and make entire Muslim world as a legitimate target (at least which comes under the range of our Missiles) and convey this message to Paki's.

True,
the three most influential countries with direct strategic links to Pak, in case of war and if they provide any assistance to Pak. And if Pak goes for nuclear strike against India.

1) Turkey
2) Saudi Arab
3) Kuwait
Take Israel under confidence

good ....allow me to differ slightly ...turkey is with nato , will not be allowed to give too much , kuwait is afraid of retaliation which india can threaten , their experience with saddam should send enough shivers down their spines to warn then not to interfere ....

only saudi is crazy enough to do real damage by helping their servant packland

but really discussing this topic in isolation is not the way ......we should consider what is soon on the agenda , the expansion to become eretz israel .......

the next important global project is the territorial expansion of israel from it's present form to a larger nation as described in holy literature ....that is from the river of egypt ( the nile ) to the river euphrates and i think they should add some extra buffer on the eastern side to go up to the iran border

in the activity of all that happening they plus amigo NATO will more than encourage india to take portions of packland so that israel doesnt look like the only one in the world grabbing territory

that will be our last chance to get back what our genius nehru so freely and "generously" gave away

we are gonna see this happen within the next 12 years

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[Screambowl]

im not sure of your brand of english ( it's good ) whether you are saying we will get Gilgit-Bstan after a war with pack ?





good ....allow me to differ slightly ...turkey is with nato , will not be allowed to give too much , kuwait is afraid of retaliation which india can threaten , their experience with saddam should send enough shivers down their spines to warn then not to interfere ....

only saudi is crazy enough to do real damage by helping their servant packland

but really discussing this topic in isolation is not the way ......we should consider what is soon on the agenda , the expansion to become eretz israel .......

the next important global project is the territorial expansion of israel from it's present form to a larger nation as described in holy literature ....that is from the river of egypt ( the nile ) to the river euphrates and i think they should add some extra buffer on the eastern side to go up to the iran border

in the activity of all that happening they plus amigo NATO will more than encourage india to take portions of packland so that israel doesnt look like the only one in the world grabbing territory

that will be our last chance to get back what our genius nehru so freely and "generously" gave away

we are gonna see this happen within the next 12 years

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The nuclear jehadi Pakistan is threat to every living organism in the sub continent. Balkanization should be planned accordingly.

How they will contain the nuclear threat, prevent stealing of this weapon when there is civil unrest, weapon dismantling.

The USSR was balkanised in similar way.

Saudi arab will do everything possible to fund against division of Pakistan. So I hope by now we have our assets ready to assist in the operation, if it is happening.

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

im not sure of your brand of english ( it's good ) whether you are saying we will get Gilgit-Bstan after a war with pack ?

War will happen but we will not get back PoK.
We lost many fruitful opportunities in the past when Pakistan was very weak.
Today, it has nukes and how can you forcefully take away a piece of land from it ? Please explain....
The scenario which you narrated was like a fantasy. Fantasies have less space in international diplomacy.
I am not offending you....