Balkanization of Pakistan

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  1. jayadev

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    ISLAMABAD -- Re-mapping of the Muslim world is under the spotlight of American strategists, working on redrawing its borders along ethnic lines and creating new political entities in the name of justice for 'oppressed Muslim minorities.'
    That this also reflected the mindset of the former U.S. administration of George W. Bush was apparent from its efforts to engineer grounds for military intervention, regime-change and fragmentation in target countries. This included Pakistan.

    Rising jihadist movements, challenges to its hegemony by other emerging power centers, the economic debacle, declining limits of its power and shifting of the economic epicenter to Asia, all pointed to America's rapid loss of power status. It, therefore, had to redefine its strategic global policy framework and pursue all options to prevent its slide from power.

    American strategists believe that by fracturing the national unity of Islamic states America could deny strongholds to jihadis and choke their financial resources. They want oil-rich territories like Kurdistan, the eastern Arabian peninsula, and Baluchistan, to be carved out and controlled by puppet regimes to secure energy resources, and splinter other Muslim countries for easier micro-management. Iraq is already going through the motions. The invasion of Iran remains on the cards.

    As for Pakistan, America has labeled it as unstable due to "political and economic mismanagement, divisive politics, lawlessness, corruption and ethnic friction" (CIA report) and cites these as causes for growing Talibanization. Some of these are clearly America's own creation. Arguing that this might bring Islamic radicals to power, giving them control over the nukes – a nightmarish scenario for Israel, its objective is to take out the Pakistani nukes.

    Although its government is at America's beck and call, Pakistan's army remains the stumbling block in this venture, which controls nukes and oversees political dispensation. It also resents America's Afghan war, reluctant to step up operations against the Taliban despite U.S. pressure, because it feels this would jeopardize national security by alienating Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand Line, generate hostility in the sensitive border belt and distract it from meeting the main threat from India.

    Suspecting sympathy for Taliban and jihadist groups among ranks of the Pakistan army and the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, Americans fear this to be a further setback in a war that coalition forces are set to lose in any event.

    Therefore to Americans, Israelis and Indians, a truncated Pakistan comprising Punjab and perhaps Sindh, with a weak military devoid of an effective intelligence agency and without nuclear fangs, is critical. The provinces of Baluchistan and the North West Frontier (NWFP), therefore, become targets for secession.

    Col. Peters, a military scholar at the Pentagon, proposed the Balkanization of the Middle East in his article "Blood Borders." He advocated the incorporation of the NWFP into Afghanistan and the creation of a sovereign Free Baluchistan, carved out of Baluch areas of Pakistan and Iran. Pakistani Baluchistan is estimated to hold 25.1 trillion cubic feet of gas and 6 trillion barrels of oil.

    In his article "Drawn and Quartered," Selig Harrison of the Center of International Policy in Washington, predicted Pakistan's breakup into three sovereign entities along ethnic lines: Pashtunistan (comprising Pashtuns of NWFP and Afghanistan); Free Baluchistan (a federation comprising Sindh and Baluchistan); and Pakistan (comprising the "nuclear armed Punjabi rump state"). He cited rising nationalist sentiment in the Pashtun belt and growing disillusionment of the Pashtuns, Baluchis and Sindhis with Punjab and Pakistan as the cause.

    Both Peters and Harrison sing the same tune and present the doctrine that broadly reflects American foreign policy.

    Baluchistan also became a high priority target for India and the United States due to Pakistan General Pervez Musharraf's overtures toward China, seeking its strategic economic interests and presence in Baluchistan to marginalize mischief-making tribal chiefs.

    China's presence in Gawadar meant it would have access to the Indian Ocean, unacceptable both to Indians and Americans – the former perceiving this a threat to its upcoming Blue Water Navy and the latter upset with its proximity to the Straits of Hormuz.

    General Aslam Beg, Pakistan's former army chief, notes in an article that the Strategic Partnership Deal between India and the United States has led to the creation of a joint espionage network comprising the CIA, Israel's Mossad, Britain's MI6, India's Research and Analysis Wing, and others in Afghanistan engaged in destabilizing Pakistan and Iran, China, Russia and other Central Asian states.

    According to Beg, dissidents from the tribal belt are being trained at Sarobi and Kandahar for missions inside the NWFP, whereas bases at Lashkar Gah and Nawah are arming, training and financing the Baluchistan Liberation Army for insurgency inside Baluchistan.

    In the NWFP the insurgency by a new group called Pakistani Taliban, reportedly fighting a proxy war for India and the United States, is seriously undermining the security of the tribal belt and some settled areas of the province.

    Consequently, the Pakistan army is engaged on four fronts: fighting Afghan Taliban inside Pakistan's tribal belt, engaging Pakistani Taliban in the NWFP, fighting insurgents in Baluchistan, and facing Indians troops amassed along the Indo-Pakistan border in the wake of the Mumbai attacks - an extremely difficult situation for the army that is forced to stretch its limited resources.

    Michel Chossudovsky, director of the Center for Research on Globalization and author of "America's War on Terrorism," concurs with this assessment in his article, "The Destabilization of Pakistan." He states "Washington's foreign policy course is to actively promote the political fragmentation and Balkanization of Pakistan as a nation." He says: "The U.S. course consists in fomenting social, ethnic and factional divisions and political fragmentation, including the territorial breakup of Pakistan."

    The U.S. initiatives to fragment the Muslim world, including Pakistan, are misguided and would prove a grave miscalculation, promising an extremely volatile and unstable geopolitical scenario. Given America's economic and political constraints and the ability of jihadis to successfully challenge what they see as U.S. imperialism, this could cause the situation to spiral out of control, proving counterproductive to U.S. interests worldwide and seriously undermine the regional and international security environment. Hence U.S. President Barack Obama would do well to reconsider the Afghan war.

    http://www.metimes.com/Opinion/2009/03/05/balkanization_of_pakistan/2176/
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

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    is this USA's goal?


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    THIS is quite an old map and i doubt if it is ever possible
     
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    Okay this Map is flawed. The author has tried to redraw the map on the basis of ethnicity which he has no idea about.
    I have never seen Pakistan united as ever before. Pushtuns who wanted Pushtunistan back in 70s now are pro-Pakistan. In fact chances of a bigger province of Pushtunistan by claiming pushtun areas of Afganistan. Similarly in the case of Baluchistan, although less likely.
    Turkey has started giving rights to Kurds.Many Kurds in Turkish Majlis so I see no problem of Kurd areas of Turkiye seperating.
     
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    It is for the time to tell. The Pushtuns are loyal to Pakistan for now but it can change very fast. If that happens, the Pakistani part of the map can become a reality.

    Of course it is hypothetical as of now. I don't think it will become a reality but it may.
     
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    Interesting that POK is given to Afghanistan, not to India.

    The article is from the metimes, so they've given their own twist to the original document.
     
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    He made a mistake. Will correct it in SP1. ;)
     
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    this is an old map. when I first saw it, I could hardly believe that balkanisation of pakistan is possible. but seeing the way pakistan is shaping up in past few months. the way pakistan's internal security is on complete downward slide. also, the sectarian voilence seem to be on the rise. mosques are routinely blow apart during the times of prayer by the opposing sects. the rifts in different provinces of pakistan is wider than ever. already, the state has surrendered huge amounts of land to taliban &co. seeing all these developments, the map might not be wrong, atleast not the pakistani part. while, this is the american version. we must have an indian version too, which would be according our long term geo-political objectives.
    I would like india to have greater control over afghanistan, once the US leaves, also balochistan. sindh must be under our influence. both balochistan and sindh must be our colonies which can be incorporated into india at future time. for the time being, punjab can be left to its fate. taking over POK would play a decisive role in exerting influence in afghanistan.
     
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    Yes, but divide it into 4-5 parts and let them fight it out for water. ;)
     
  11. johnee

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    yea, seriaki, punjabi,.........etc. then leave them. we can take sides if and when needed.
    yes, punjab's 'jagular vein' is in our hands: water. ;)
     
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    Stable Pakistan not in India's interest






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    Indians pose the biggest threat to the union of India. The reason is simple. An average Indian does not constitute a nation but is merely an individual. His personal well-being overrides all other considerations including the national interests.

    Therefore, many have begun to propagate parting of Kashmir in their write-ups, since it does not belong individually to them. However, imagine the hue and cry if their personal property and family is held hostage by the terrorists. They will sing a different tune!Many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in India’s interest. This is a false proposition. The truth is that Pakistan is bad news for the Indian Union since 1947-stable or otherwise.

    The blame lies with New Delhi. For the past sixty years, instead of consolidating the Union, leaders encouraged divisiveness on the basis of religion and caste for sheer vote bank politics. Instead of unifying its citizenry with good governance and increasing their stakes through prosperity, so that they may serve the cause of the nation with honor, it has treated its citizens with unprecedented shabbiness. The result is groups of citizens have risen against the state, mostly for lack of economic progress and denial of justice. Such disgruntled groups are being taken advantage of by the external forces inimical to India.

    There can never be unity in diversity. Unity requires a fair amount of uniformity in laws throughout the Union.hat New Delhi is its own enemy became obvious, when it permitted the creation of a pure Islamic State on its borders. This nation-state contradicts every democratic and multi-cultural values dear to India.Therefore, if New Delhi has not slept a wink since the creation of Pakistan, it has no one except itself to blame!

    Islamabad, besides the wars it imposed on New Delhi, extended its so-called Islamic purity to the Kashmir Valley by instigating the locals to carry out ethnic cleansing of the minority communities.
    The self-destructive path that Islamabad chose will either splinter the state into many parts or it will wither away-a case of natural progression to its logical conclusion.

    Hence, first we created a state with inbuilt characteristic of fundamentalism, and extreme philosophy contrary to our professed beliefs; then the monster in it started ethnic cleansing in the Valley; and engineered demographic changes through Bangladesh in West Bengal, Assam and the Northeast. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic oil-rich countries pitched in with the petro-dollars in support. All in the cause of the illusion called Ummah and establishing the Caliphate!

    The Indian leadership for its personal vote-bank gains helped these inimical forces by bringing the IMDT in Assam. Later, it was slammed as illegal by the Supreme Court. Too late – the damage was done, as the Union’s overburdened security forces, grapple with 15 million illegal Bangladesh infiltrators creating mayhem in the society.

    Islamabad, Dhaka, and now Kathmandu, spurred on by Beijing, have united with the singular agenda to unhook the Valley and the Northeast from the Union. In addition, they are instigating the Maoists who control almost forty percent of the Union’s territory, to set up a parallel government, and ultimately, like the Maoists in Nepal, win the elections in pockets of their influence, and impose a regressive authoritarian governments in tune with their own regime. Simple. Brilliant. And yet, New Delhi, instead of consolidating and unifying the Union, continues to divide its citizenry in religious or caste denominations.In the past sixty years, New Delhi’s muddle-headed policies encouraged separatism.

    With China’s one arm, i.e. Pakistan disabled, its expansionist plans will receive a severe jolt.

    Instead of ensuring diffusion of secular pan-Indian culture, and integration of the society by encouraging Indians from all over to buy and develop land and industry in the Valley and the Northeast, it imposed restrictions on such settlements. Meanwhile, Pakistan and Bangladesh exported their fundamentalist populations to change the demographic hues in their interest. The ugly separatist face of the agitation in the Valley today is the consequence of the dereliction of the fundamental duty by the Union.

    The trend needs to be reversed forcibly by integrating the Valley firmly into the Indian mainstream by creating a secular mix of population through industrialization.Many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in India’s interest. This is a false proposition.

    The truth is that Pakistan is bad news for the Indian Union since 1947-stable or otherwise.
    Pakistan’s breakup will be a major setback to the Jihad Factory, as the core of this is located in Pakistan, and functions with the help of its army and the ISI. This in turn will ease pressures on India and the international community.

    It is factually correct that Islamabad has enjoyed brief periods of stability in the span of sixty years of its existence. However, during these phases of stability, it continued to export terrorism, fake currency, narcotics, and indulged in attempts to change demographics on our borders, cultivated sleeper cells and armed groups inside our territory to create an uprising at an appropriate time. Also, it aligned with Beijing and other powers, in a mutually beneficial scheme, to tie-down and ultimately cause a territorial split of the Union.With Pakistan on the brink of collapse due to massive internal as well as international contradictions, it is matter of time before it ceases to exist.

    Multiple benefits will accrue to the Union of India on such demise.If ever the national interests are defined with clarity and prioritised, the foremost threat to the Union (and for centuries before) materialised on the western periphery, continuously. To defend this key threat to the Union, New Delhi should extend its influence through export of both, soft and hard power towards Central Asia from where invasions have been mounted over centuries. Cessation of Pakistan as a state facilitates furtherance of this pivotal national objective.

    The self-destructive path that Islamabad chose will either splinter the state into many parts or it will wither away-a case of natural progression to its logical conclusion. In either case Baluchistan will achieve independence. For New Delhi this opens a window of opportunity to ensure that the Gwadar port does not fall into the hands of the Chinese. In this, there is synergy between the political objectives of the Americans and the Indians. Our existing goodwill in Baluchistan requires intelligent leveraging.

    Sindh and most of the non-Punjabi areas of Pakistan will be our new friends.Pakistan’s breakup will be a major setback to the Jihad Factory, as the core of this is located in Pakistan, and functions with the help of its army and the ISI. This in turn will ease pressures on India and the international community.

    With China’s one arm, i.e. Pakistan disabled, its expansionist plans will receive a severe jolt. Beijing continues to pose primary threat to New Delhi. Even as we continue to engage with it as constructively as possible, we must strive to remove the proxy. At the same time, it is prudent to extend moral support to the people of Tibet to sink Chinese expansionism in the morass of insurgency.

    For a change, let us do to them what they do to us! The chances of Central Asia getting infected with the Jihadi fervour will recede. Afghanistan will gain fair amount of stability. India’s access to Central Asian energy routes will open up. With disintegration of ISI’s inimical activities of infiltration and pushing of fake currency into India, from Nepal and Bangladesh will cease. Within the Union social harmony will improve enormously. Export of Islamic fundamentalism, with its 360-degree sweep from Islamabad, will vanish. Even a country like Thailand will heave a sigh of relief!

    With disintegration of ISI’s inimical activities of infiltration and pushing of fake currency into India, from Nepal and Bangladesh will cease.Above all, the gathering storm of threat from a united group of authoritarian regimes along our 14,000 km borders, orchestrated and synchronised by Pakistan will dissolve.

    At the height of the recent disturbances in the Valley, when a general asked me for a suggestion to resolve the issue, I said: “Remove Pakistan. The threat will disappear permanently.” Today the collapse of Pakistan as a state is almost certain. All the King’s men cannot save it from itself.

    Looking ahead, New Delhi should formulate an appropriate strategy for ‘post-Pakistan scenario’ to secure India’s interests in Central Asia.It is intriguing, therefore, to hear New Delhi mouthing the falsehood that stable Pakistan is in India’s interest. Perpetuation of such illogic for vote-bank politics is harming consolidation and integration of the Union. Short-sighted politicians as usual are overlooking the national interest for the short-term personal gains of few votes!


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    ^^Inshallah that map will become reality in my life time.
     
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    Atleast we'll have more cricketing countries 8)
     
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    and more match-fixing will follow.
     
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    Time to revive this thread and think of strategies to achieve this goal and how to avoid the situation of terrorists getting hold of nukes.

    @Mods- we can even make this thread sticky.
     
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    Aaaameeeeeeen!!!
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