Aviation giant [Antonov] is nearly grounded in Ukraine

[Akim]

Antonov Concern is officially dead 2 weeks ago.

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You're like a kid. This is an economic move to write off state debts from the enterprise. It will be reorganized.
There are now big contracts for An-132D, An-178, An-72. Even the Ukrainian Defense Ministry ordered two An-148s in the "scout" version.

 

[gadeshi]

You're like a kid. This is an economic move to write off state debts from the enterprise. It will be reorganized.
There are now big contracts for An-132D, An-178, An-72. Even the Ukrainian Defense Ministry ordered two An-148s in the "scout" version.

There are no conrracts for any craft, even little ones.
There were intentions protocols and memorandums, they are not hard contracts backed by real money payments.
An-132 is just a TOT project 2 aircrafts as specimens for production line in Emirates, there will be no production in Ukraine.

As for An-178...
This is dead born project with deadly crippling design flaws the biggest of which is centring balance fuck-up for tremendous 45% of wing chorde. It doesn't allow it to fly without 1.5 tons ballast plates in forward oart of cargo hold

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[Akim]

There are no conrracts for any craft, even little ones.
There were intentions protocols and memorandums, they are not hard contracts backed by real money payments.
An-132 is just a TOT project 2 aircrafts as specimens for production line in Emirates, there will be no production in Ukraine.

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I'm not even interested in arguing with you.

 

[gadeshi]

I'm not even interested in arguing with you.

It's because you have no arguments.

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[gadeshi]

Antonov can be reorganized technically, but this act will require 5 to 7 years and about $20 to $30 Billions.
Ukraine doesn't have that money, and noone foreign country will invest in it for a big amount of reasons.

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[Akim]

It's because you have no arguments.

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No. It's because I'm too lazy to look. We are not official persons with you, and we do not neglect legal liability. You said NO, I said YES. We will see.

 

[Akim]

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[Akim]

Rebranding An-70 - An-77 (without Russian components) and An-178. At the exhibition in Turkey.

 

[Akim]

Model An-188 at the exhibition in Turkey. This An-70 (An-77) only with turbojet engines.

 

[tharun]

Is Anotonov dead?
If it is someone from India should buy,because we need transport planes.
AN-132 with 10 tons playload to replace an-32
An-178 for transport and An-148 which for the passenger.
And An-70 with 40 ton payload.

 

[lcafanboy]

Is Anotonov dead?
If it is someone from India should buy,because we need transport planes.
AN-132 with 10 tons playload to replace an-32
An-178 for transport and An-148 which for the passenger.
And An-70 with 40 ton payload.

Someone should tell Tata and Adani to consider buying and relocating Antonov along with employees to India and govt of India should back it with finance and land support as it can be huge positive for employment and economy, GDP growth and military strategic planning...

 

[Kshithij]

India must reverse engineer simple planes like An70 which is just a turboprop engined lane. The making of body is also easy and the design is efficient to carry high payload over long distances. I don't understand why India is not developing a cargo plane for itself when it is very easy to do that.

India makes several planes like Tejas Su30, MiG21, SARAS, Do228, drones like Rustom-2, helicopters like LCH, ALH etc but the easiest of all - a simple cargo wplane is not being made! This is WW2 era technology and must be too simple to not make them. Cargo planes don't need any maneuvering ability, radars etc and just need to fly in a straight line.

 

[Armand2REP]

Someone should tell Tata and Adani to consider buying and relocating Antonov along with employees to India and govt of India should back it with finance and land support as it can be huge positive for employment and economy, GDP growth and military strategic planning...

The reason Antonov is dying is because they rely on legacy Soviet technology as the basis of their products. Without the budgets and research centres to develop the next generation of technologies there isn't much future for them.

 

[Kshithij]

The reason Antonov is dying is because they rely on legacy Soviet technology as the basis of their products. Without the budgets and research centres to develop the next generation of technologies there isn't much future for them.

What technology do you need for transport aircraft? These things hardly do anything except for in a straight line

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Someone should tell Tata and Adani to consider buying and relocating Antonov along with employees to India and govt of India should back it with finance and land support as it can be huge positive for employment and economy, GDP growth and military strategic planning...

Fully agree. Acquisition has its own advantages. You get a running business and infrastructure including skill manpower which may take years to build. If you acquire a giant business, you save atleast 2 decades of time. i.e it would otherwise take couple of decades to reach this level of production and capability.

 

[Kshithij]

Fully agree. Acquisition has its own advantages. You get a running business and infrastructure including skill manpower which may take years to build. If you acquire a giant business, you save atleast 2 decades of time. i.e it would otherwise take couple of decades to reach this level of production and capability.

India already has HAL and the required infrastructure and manpower. Bringing production level to high rate requires very short duration of time as long as there is technical manpower. Since India already has HAL which is world class in terms of technology, if it intends to expand, it can. Also, I suspect if anyone will give the technology of turbofans used in Antonov aircrafts

 

[Armand2REP]

What technology do you need for transport aircraft? These things hardly do anything except for in a straight line

They need everything that is being improved among all transports across the world. Improved safety, engine power, fuel efficiency, composite materials, new modeling and testing software. The biggest market Antonov wants for its products is Europe and to gain us as clients you need to meet all of our safety and noise regulations. We have the CASA unit of Airbus in Spain which is their direct competitor and far more up to date than they are on these fronts. As the rest of the world's countries become more developed their standards are increasing as they adopt EASA compliance.

 

[Akim]

I read the stupid things you all wrote. This news is part of the information war of Russia against Ukraine in the context: The Ukrainian economy without the Russian market will die. However, no one has died and the Ukrainian economy is growing by 3-4%, despite the annexation of part of the territory and the war in the east of the country. Antonov did not die either. The company experienced difficult times, like many Ukrainian companies, really connected with the sales markets and replacement of Russian components. but the problem is gradually solved. An-132 is a joint project of Ukraine and Saudi Arabia, so the Canadian engines, this is the customer's desire. A similar situation with the Ukrainian-Turkish An-188, only there is the French engines. The economy of Ukraine now allows you to buy only aircraft of the AN-148 - 178 series. They are also being built. Two planes ordered the MoD of Ukraine, several more - Ukrainian airlines.