Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in Texas

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    How far is the Senator right that folks should be allowed to have guns for protection.

    If the customers had guns would it have stopped such a situation.

    What is the guarantee that there would not be amongst the customer folks who are of the same views as the one holding up the place and thereby adding to the gun power of the one holding up the place?
     
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    Re: Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in T

    Comments on the article.
     
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    Re: Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in T

    Sydney siege: AFP admits misinforming PM that Lindt cafe gunman Man Haron Monis had firearms licence

    The Australian Federal Police have taken responsibility for inaccurate information about whether Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis had a firearms licence.

    Yesterday during a media conference Prime Minister Tony Abbott repeatedly said Monis had a gun licence.

    The Australian Federal Police has now admitted to being the source of the information, which it provided to Mr Abbott in a briefing yesterday morning.

    But police said further inquiries had revealed that Monis was not a registered firearms licence holder after all, and has never held a New South Wales gun licence.

    "The information provided at the time was based on a manual entry in the National Police Reference System in the category of 'Firearms Licence Holder'," the statement said.

    More at
    Sydney siege: AFP admits misinforming PM that Lindt cafe gunman Man Haron Monis had firearms licence - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
     
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    Re: Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in T

    @Ray

    This is what the Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble had say about this sort of attacks and he made those comments after the Nairobi attack.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclusive-westgate-interpol-chief-ponders-armed-citizenry/story?id=20637341

    It would not a be a massacre that is for sure and citizens would at least be able to exercise their right to self defense in an effective manner.
     
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    Re: Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in T

    Gunfight at OK Corral? :)

    In my opinion, if there are armed and trained gun equipped guards at the entrance, they would suffice.
     
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    The would be the first to be taken out.... concealed carry would give the most advantage to the would be victims.
     
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    Re: Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in T

    Not really; Australia is not a nation of victims. Hardly any terrorist acts. One lone incident by lone individual does not constitute a terror siege. If India, US or Europe do claim that title, then it can be accepted but not Australia.

    But a lesson is to be drawn from incidents like that I.e. Some people who have fraudulently acquired country's citizenship are to be legally removed and sent back to where they came from. This lone wolf in Sydney was a well known trouble maker for a long time. His citizenship should have been cancelled long back. That would have been a lesson to a lot more individual who were thinking alike.

    Great Briton, Canada and US are in the same state. Their immigration policies are that no questions asked in letting immigrants in or giving them citizenship in five years. After that time they begin creating trouble. Laws have to be rewritten to deal with that. These type of individuals have to be sent back to their home country. For citizens born there, the same laws apply. They have to be sent back with their parents.
     
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    Re: Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in T

    That's right. They would be enough. The prospect of a heavily armed civil populace in a country like Australia is pretty silly. We are not gun-obsessed Americans no matter how much this jerk, David Leyonhjelm, would like us to be. Only those with a reason to have a gun should own a gun; farmers, for example, who need to shoot vermin.
     
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    Re: Australia a 'nation of victims', deadly Sydney siege unlikely in T

    Given that to be the obvious target of those who want to perpetuate a massacre, one does not brandish weapons or wear uniform when in an undercover posture.

    Maybe I could not explain that earlier.

    Can you identify the house detective in stores?
     

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