'U.S. wants to use India in missile shield against Russia, China'

[neo29]

Why does India need a defence shield with its ally Russia ???? Just stupid politics by US to break the Indo Russian friendship.

 

[SpArK]

Get the damn thing free of cost from US and pass it to Russia. Problem solved.

 

[sandeepdg]

I think its a great idea, with Russia turning into some sort of Tsar Putin Empire and their poor supply of weapons and cheating us on the Gorshkov deal etc., I think the time has come we moved away from an dead ally who no longer is an Ally by sprite but only because of monetary benefits. It would make good sense to keep China under the shield with their growing support to Pakistan.

Remember the USA did not play imperialistic games with us it was only Britian and so we should not punish the Americans for the ills of Britian. Not to mention China and Pakistan have invaded us.

There's absolutely zero logic in your post.

 

[Suryakiran]

Get the damn thing free of cost from US and pass it to Russia. Problem solved.

No way, India is not Pakistan to play such a cheap game and Russia is not China to become a copy cat...

 

[Suryakiran]

I think its a great idea, with Russia turning into some sort of Tsar Putin Empire and their poor supply of weapons and cheating us on the Gorshkov deal etc., I think the time has come we moved away from an dead ally who no longer is an Ally by sprite but only because of monetary benefits. It would make good sense to keep China under the shield with their growing support to Pakistan.

Remember the USA did not play imperialistic games with us it was only Britian and so we should not punish the Americans for the ills of Britian. Not to mention China and Pakistan have invaded us.

Should India support a country which arms our arch enemy for the past 6 decades, gives a blind eye on all of our enemy's terrorist action on our country, which sent a CWG to attack us during our war with our terrorist neighbour and sanctioned us with the maximum number of times in the history of our country?

And should India go against a country which supports us for the past 6 decades, which supports us in every difficult situation even by employing it's Veto power, which opposed any sanctions against us in any known situation, which provides us with the arms and technology which any other country is not ready to provide us, and which sent war ships and nuclear submarines to save us from USN's CWG attack?

USA is trying to develop a relation with India only because our country is getting stronger economically, militarily and gaining influence in this world. It is Russia( and it was USSR) which helps us starting from the very beginning of our journey as a country in 1947 and provided us with help in economy, technology and defence.

Hell no mate...

 

[AOE]

I'm getting a little tired of this 'why should we receive or give help to America because of Pakistan' nonsense. I guess with an equal response, someone should ask the question 'why is it the Americans are only helping India more so now than before?' Perhaps the answer could be found by asking why the Nehru/Gandhi politicians cozied up to the USSR as early as the 1950s, and their co-founding of the NAM. Why didn't they instead approach the US in the beginning? We'll never find the answer to that question.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

my vote:

Against prc? Sure.
Against russia? never ever.

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[Ray]

I wonder if India has been adequate de-Russiaised to be ready to accept any anti Russia initiatives.

There is still cooperation in the defence and space underway with Russia.

The same is not so with the US in equal measures.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

There will always be these kind of articles coming out, with the increase in economic power of BRIC nations there is a fear it may turn into a military alliance in the future?? It may seem unlikely but all the wealthy nations eventually allied and formed NATO.

 

[civfanatic]

I'm getting a little tired of this 'why should we receive or give help to America because of Pakistan' nonsense.

It is nonsense only to Westerners.

I guess with an equal response, someone should ask the question 'why is it the Americans are only helping India more so now than before?'

Because we are a somewhat important country now. Everyone, including America, is trying to get India on their side, because we apparently matter. We have economic, military and strategic clout today that we did not have pre-1990s.

Perhaps the answer could be found by asking why the Nehru/Gandhi politicians cozied up to the USSR as early as the 1950s, and their co-founding of the NAM. Why didn't they instead approach the US in the beginning?

I don't think you understand. Pakistan was created by the British for the primary reason of being a pro-Western country in South Asia. The Indian National Congress in general, and Nehru in particular, were determined to follow a neutral foreign policy, which was a noble but (at the time) naive policy. On the other hand, Jinnah was more than willing to ally his country with the West, and so the British gave the green light for the creation of Pakistan. India was destined to become part of the Soviet camp starting in 1947 itself, due to Western unwillingness to lose their influence in the region, and limit Soviet influence in the same.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

No way that India is going to accept this plan by the US. We are good friends of Russia and the friendship will remain forever and this relationship is good for India. This another plan of US to bring down India.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

No way that India is going to accept this plan by the US. We are good friends of Russia and the friendship will remain forever and this relationship is good for India. This another plan of US to bring down India.

In international arena there are no permant friends and enemies, there are just intrest and the party benificial for our intrest is our friend and party which is a hinderance for our intrest is our enemy.
We Indians should only care about our intrest and not about howwhat someone will feel about us.

 

[Suryakiran]

I'm getting a little tired of this 'why should we receive or give help to America because of Pakistan' nonsense. I guess with an equal response, someone should ask the question 'why is it the Americans are only helping India more so now than before?' Perhaps the answer could be found by asking why the Nehru/Gandhi politicians cozied up to the USSR as early as the 1950s, and their co-founding of the NAM. Why didn't they instead approach the US in the beginning? We'll never find the answer to that question.

No mate, India tried to maintain equal relationship with USA and USSR at one point. But, since USA armed Pakistan to fight USSR in Afghanistan and Pakistan used that situation very well against India, we are forced to side with USSR for support.

 

[Suryakiran]

If it is friendship and co-operation with Russia and USA, we are okay with that.
But, if it is Russia or USA, i would prefer Russia.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Should India support a country which arms our arch enemy for the past 6 decades, gives a blind eye on all of our enemy's terrorist action on our country, which sent a CWG to attack us during our war with our terrorist neighbour and sanctioned us with the maximum number of times in the history of our country?

And should India go against a country which supports us for the past 6 decades, which supports us in every difficult situation even by employing it's Veto power, which opposed any sanctions against us in any known situation, which provides us with the arms and technology which any other country is not ready to provide us, and which sent war ships and nuclear submarines to save us from USN's CWG attack?

USA is trying to develop a relation with India only because our country is getting stronger economically, militarily and gaining influence in this world. It is Russia( and it was USSR) which helps us starting from the very beginning of our journey as a country in 1947 and provided us with help in economy, technology and defence.

Hell no mate...

Doesn't Russia supports China in all ways and exploits us in all possible was.
As for your remaining post stop living in past, this is not 1971 it is 2011. Today if USN sends a CBG against us will Russia help us - No because it won't be in there intrest. The only reason they helped us was that it was in there intrest.
They sell us weapons because we pay them, they don't give anything for free.

 

[civfanatic]

Doesn't Russia supports China in all ways and exploits us in all possible was.

This is our fault for not joining SCO.

We should not blame Russians for their relationship with China when we have our relationship with USA. Sino-Indian relationship is also a lot closer than most people realize, border disputes notwithstanding.

And no, Russia does not exploit us. Unless you consider all the cooperation in defence, energy, space, etc. to be "exploitation".

 

[civfanatic]

I also think a long-term strategic priority for India should be the expulsion of the US from Diego Garcia. As long as the US maintains such a strong military presence in the Indian Ocean, just a few hundred km from India, our own influence in the region will be severely diminished. We will not have the strategic flexibility that our military should have, because the US will always be there to counteract it.

Of course, we are in no position today to demand such a thing. But a few decades from now, we should start raising the issue of Chagossians' lost homeland on an international level, provide state support for their cause, and work to return Diego Garcia to the natives.

Until then, we will have to content ourselves with joint exercises and naval cooperation with the USN in the Indian Ocean.

 

[Suryakiran]

Doesn't Russia supports China in all ways and exploits us in all possible was.
As for your remaining post stop living in past, this is not 1971 it is 2011. Today if USN sends a CBG against us will Russia help us - No because it won't be in there intrest. The only reason they helped us was that it was in there intrest.
They sell us weapons because we pay them, they don't give anything for free.

USSR did that when it was powerful enough to deter USN's CWG from attacking us during 1971 war and also USSR deterred china from attacking when India was in war with Pakistan.

History is not just a story of the past, it is a lesson.

We should not ditch a time tested friend because our newly found friend is strong and powerful. I' am not against developing relation with USA, but My point is we need not develop a relationship with USA at the cost of our friendship with Russia.

Thanks...

 

[AOE]

No mate, India tried to maintain equal relationship with USA and USSR at one point. But, since USA armed Pakistan to fight USSR in Afghanistan and Pakistan used that situation very well against India, we are forced to side with USSR for support.

US relations generally started with Pakistan after Nehru gained favor with Kruschev, despite the fact that during Chinas border war with India in 1962, John F Kennedy vowed to go to war with China, even going to the nuclear level if they re-opened that conflict. Sadly he was assassinated by an extreme left wing Soviet Union sympathizer, and India continued its capitulation and support of the NAM; a club of tyrants and mass murders, and all the while becoming friendlier to the USSR. There was no push for India to gain ties with the Soviet Union originally, Nehru willingly made those diplomatic ties. Pakistan is perhaps the only country that adopted a friendlier stance to the west in the beginning and the 1971 war would not have seen the US on Pakistans side if not for these facts.

As for Afganistan; the US supported the Afghan mujahideen with the help of Pakistan against the homicidal Soviet invasion which led to the deaths and displacement of millions of people. India did not have to side with anyone in that conflict as it had little to do with them, but they chose to side with Russians yet again, largely due to the NAM nonsense.

 

[Tolaha]

US relations generally started with Pakistan after Nehru gained favor with Kruschev, despite the fact that during Chinas border war with India in 1962, John F Kennedy vowed to go to war with China, even going to the nuclear level if they re-opened that conflict. Sadly he was assassinated by an extreme left wing Soviet Union sympathizer, and India continued its capitulation and support of the NAM; a club of tyrants and mass murders, and all the while becoming friendlier to the USSR. There was no push for India to gain ties with the Soviet Union originally, Nehru willingly made those diplomatic ties. Pakistan is perhaps the only country that adopted a friendlier stance to the west in the beginning and the 1971 war would not have seen the US on Pakistans side if not for these facts.

As for Afganistan; the US supported the Afghan mujahideen with the help of Pakistan against the homicidal Soviet invasion which led to the deaths and displacement of millions of people. India did not have to side with anyone in that conflict as it had little to do with them, but they chose to side with Russians yet again, largely due to the NAM nonsense.

Not responding to the overall gist of the comment above, rather to the bolded specifics.

support of the NAM; a club of tyrants and mass murders

If NAM was a club of tyrants and murderers, members of NATO, CEATO and SENTO were no saints either!
NAM had 118 + 18 countries as its members. Some members may not be angels, similalrly as in UN. You arent proposing that India shouldn't join UN too, are you?

Nehru willingly made those diplomatic ties.

Nehru was a Socialist to start with. But the tilt of India as a nation took place later.
If India had any doubts whether it should "align" slightly [ ] towards US or USSR, then 1971 would have cleared it. Sadly, Kennedys were long gone by then.

Pakistan is perhaps the only country that adopted a friendlier stance to the west in the beginning

This is exactly how the west ended up supporting numerous tyrants and mass murderers.

India did not have to side with anyone in that conflict as it had little to do with them, but they chose to side with Russians yet again,

India's choice to support the Russians or rather not to support the US and Pakistanis, in this particular instance, IMO should be a no-brainer!