Attempts to change name of Pre partition India to South Asia in US

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  1. Illusive

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    Should pre-1947 India be called S Asia? US academics lock horns over name

    The battle for India, pre-independence India, is being fought in California. In a long-running wrangle that has stretched over decades, academics and historians are once again fighting a pitched verbal battle over how sub-continental history will be taught in American schools. At the heart of the latest clash, the nomenclature of pre-1947 India as "South Asia" at the instance of some left-leaning academics, because, they maintain, the geographic entities of India and Pakistan came into being only after the two countries gained independence from British India.In other words, India did not exist before 1947.

    The proposal has enraged academics on the right side of the debate who say attempts to delete references to India and replace it with the "geopolitically motivated Cold War-era phrase `South Asia".... is "misinformed and bizarre."

    "If this is indeed correct that `India' is not an accurate term for India before 1947, how is it possible that the word `India' has been in usage in some form or another from the time of the ancient Greeks and Romans? Did Columbus go sear ching for `South Asia'? Are the islands of the Caribbean Sea called the `West South Asianes' instead of the `West Indies'? Was it the British East `South Asia' Company that led colonial trade and exploitation?

    Was it the `South Asian Ocean' which constituted the center of the world's largest trade network before the rise of modern Europe? Do you write, perhaps, with `South Asian' ink?" Vamsee Juluri, a professor of Media Studies at the University of San Francisco, sneered in a recent letter to the California Board of Education, ridiculing the leftist proposals that the board has reportedly accepted. The battle between the left-wing historians and right-wing academics and organisations in the US over Indian history has been simmering for a long time now with arguments over everything from the Aryan invasion theory to the use of expressions like Brahminism. The Instructional Quality Commission (IQC) of the California Board of Education (CBE) meets once in ten years to review the "frameworks" for how the syllabus will be taught and the current scrap is tied to the ongoing review.

    The new HSS (History Social Science) framework draft was issued last Fall, and since then the two sides have been sparring over what will be taught. Juluri says the leftist historians have a stranglehold on the debate mainly on account of the Indian community and organisations working at cross-purposes and overestimating their own strength.


    "Indian-Americans are a successful community , wellsettled in American life and creating companies and jobs, building bridges with new and old country through culture and business, and yet we have only recently woken up with a start to realize that we don't own our history . In California, and even in India, 68 years after independence, we were still being taught a repackaged version of scholarship that was current in, say , the 1890s!" Juluri wrote in a statement on Teaching Approaches and Experiences he submitted to the California board.

    The term "South Asia" to describe the Indian subcontinent became current and began to be used widely after the US state department and some lawmakers instituted the "South Asia bureau" in 19911992, carving it out of the the Bureau of Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs. Some Indian nationalists have long argued that the etymology is aimed at diluting India's primacy in the region.
     
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    No, South Asia must be called pre India.
     
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    Its called Indian sub continent for a good reason. This is social engineering at its worst.
     
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    Posting useless 30 characters.
     
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    Vamsi garu gives pretty solid reasons for usage of India(n subcontinent).
    But americans like to create troubles where there aren't any, as evidenced everywhere on the planet.

    Lets put up petition for a legislation to stop using america for the USA, because it offends the residents of the rest of the American continent(s).
    USA is from now on Columbus-land. And americans are Columbus-landers. This will also remind them that they are thieves who stole that land from natives.:tongue:
     
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    It should be called India for columbus was looking for it :wink:
     
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    :bplease:

    Nah, there is only one India.
    :D
     
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    When Megasthenes composed his Indica (corrupt India) in 3rd BC in Patliputra .Americans were living a nomadic life.


    Also people with low self esteem like Bangladeshi Asad/Rocky71 continue to call South Asia similar to what US is saying just to evade his pre Islamic past.
     
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    Wow, ridiculous ! India pre-1947 is India ! Even Kandahar is part of the indian political sphere under the Mauryas.
    The Americans (of USA) are terrible at history. Please don' t buy their Lockeed F-16 after this o_O
     
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    Why should we Indians care about this?
     
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    Where are Americans? USA is made of Europeans, Africans, Carribians, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, etc. India is known for Indians. China is known for Chinese. But where are real Americans? Real Americans were those native red Indians before arrival of Columbus. Those whites of America have come all over from Europe. Fact is America has no real identity. Irony is, such a puny child country is teaching great India (oldest child of the Earth) its history. Ultimate rediculous.
     
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    The Americans love to pretend they are the authority of the world and that by their writ they can change the course of human history.

    Unbeleivable hypocrites.
     
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    can we call California as Red Indiana of pre Lincoln Era?
     
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    Or we must not call US as America? :biggrin2:
     
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    In principle we should not.

    However, one must oppose an attempt to set a trend. Pakistan is not a nation, and the entire region was called India prior to 1947.
     
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    Is this a serious qweshun?

    Ans: Indians should care because today Califormia, tomorrow the US, day after T the world.
    Soon all news outlets (including spineless "progressive" "modern" indian news outlets), hollywood movies, academic publications etc will bend to the american politically correct term(s).
     
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  21. Superdefender

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    No, we should give California a new name - 'Calicut', means cut from reality!!
     
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