Assimilation of muslims in the main stream western society

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  1. sean

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    WESTERN SOCIETY TRYING HARD TO ACCOMMODATE ISLAM IN THEIR WESTERN VALUES WITH NOT MUCH SUCCESS NOW THE MAJORITY IS GETTING TIRED AND FRUSTRATED, BACK LASH IS ABOUT TO SURFACE -CASE STUDY -FRANCE-

    YouTube - "Islamization of Paris" A Big Warning to the West.

    FRENCH TELEVISION SECRETLY VIDEO TAPED GROWING FRUSTRATION OF THE BRITISH
    AGAINST THE MUSLIMS AFTER TRYING HARD TO ASSIMILATE THEM IN THEIR SOCIETY-NOW THE MUSLIM WANT TO INTRODUCE SHARIA-

    YouTube - Islamization of London England , EDL demonstration (French TV English Sub Sept2010)
     
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  3. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Muslims are well integrated in usa society since most are educated and have a decent job while the ones in europe are often refugees from middle east and north africa and are not well educated.

    No one can assimilate them without they being open to it...its a well known fact that it takes atleast 3 generations for a people to integrate into a different society.
     
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    You are posting videos from racist organisations like English Defence League as if they are some honest documentaries, rather than Islamophobic videos--what they really are. A 15 minute prayer service is out on the roads because they don't have enough covered space. And most likely the eid prayers which happens twice a year which usually atrract big gatherings. There is nothing sinister and I sure that they have taken permission before hand and hence the presence of police officers.

    The truth is much simples, we muslims are not so scary. Visit your local mosque, ask them what they are doing here, no one will say they want to impose sharia law or other such nutty ideas. Want to hear the reality, go to honest websites

     
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    I think the Europeans are scared stiff of the Muslims.

    That is, if one goes by the stuff on their (European) websites and media!

    They (Muslims) know how to hit back and get what they want.

    It is time others learnt the same.

    Namby pamby pacifism does not work. I think there is a Hindi proverb that says that unless a child yowls, the child does not get milk!

    Like or Dislike Muslims, the Europeans have to live with them!

    If there are problems, then it must be sorted out amicably.

    The prestigious Red Road of Calcutta/Kolkata is blocked for Ramzan prayers. If India can accommodate all, then what is the big deal?

    They support Pakistan over Kashmir and yet when it comes to their own comfort, the Europeans howl and wail that the Muslims are extracting more than their pound of flesh!
     
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    Europeans opened up immigration for people to come from these countries mentioned, to critizicize these people after the fact is not the migrants fault they have not assimilated like the Europeans wanted,many migrants were brought over and placed in ghettos with no follow up to make assimilation possible.
     
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    I think they have the problems of the illegals who are illiterate.
     
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    Taking Sweden as example where most of the migrants are legal, the immigrants are being blamed for the decline in tourism to Sweden, there is a backlash against minorities in many European countries especially with the economic crisis occuring.
     
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    Take the the comfort and some $$$ from the europeans and see how uncivilized they become.

    It is all well and good to lecture others when you are on cloud 9 but when its gets tough then all the morals go out of the nearest window. As it is right wing extremist parties are getting more votes across europe.
     
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    Merkel says German multicultural society has failed



    The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel: "lmmigrants should learn to speak German"
    Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

    She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German.

    The comments come amid rising anti-immigration feeling in Germany.A recent survey suggested more than 30% of people believed the country was "overrun by foreigners".

    The study - by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think-tank - also showed that roughly the same number thought that some 16 million of Germany's immigrants or people with foreign origins had come to the country for its social benefits.

    Foreign workers
    Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country."

    She added: "We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality.""And of course, the approach [to build] a multicultural [society] and to live side-by-side and to enjoy each other... has failed, utterly failed."

    In her speech in Potsdam, however, the chancellor made clear that immigrants were welcome in Germany.

    She specifically referred to recent comments by German President Christian Wulff who said that Islam was "part of Germany", like Christianity and Judaism.

    Mrs Merkel said: "We should not be a country either which gives the impression to the outside world that those who don't speak German immediately or who were not raised speaking German are not welcome here."

    Mounting debate
    There has been intense debate about multiculturalism in Germany in recent months.

    Correspondents say Mrs Merkel faces pressure from within her CDU and its allies to take a tougher stance and require immigrants to do more to adapt to German society.

    Earlier this week, Horst Seehofer, the leader of the CDU's Bavarian sister party, the CSU, said it was "obvious that immigrants from different cultures like Turkey and Arab countries, all in all, find it harder" to integrate."'Multikulti' is dead," Mr Seehofer said.

    Earlier this month the chancellor held talks with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in which the two leaders pledged to do more to improve the often poor integration record of Germany's estimated 2.5 million-strong Turkish community.

    The debate first heated up in August when Thilo Sarrazin, a senior official at Germany's central bank, said that "no immigrant group other than Muslims is so strongly connected with claims on the welfare state and crime". Mr Sarrazin has since resigned.

    Such recent strong anti-immigration feelings from mainstream politicians come amid an anger in Germany about high unemployment, even if the economy is growing faster than those of its rivals, our correspondent says.

    He adds that there also seems to be a new strident tone in the country, perhaps leading to less reticence about no-go-areas of the past.
     
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    Assimilation of Muslims in Nigeria- Case study- Nigeria was predominantly Christian Country but the current ratio of Muslim /Christians almost 50-50 now.Most of the majority Muslim parts of Nigeria imposed Sharia, which caused conflicts between the Christians and Muslims-and Nigeria is now burning due to frequent occurrence of Christian/Muslim riots. - Here is a case of a poor Nigerian who stole a Cow and the Sharia Court ordered his hands to be cliffed off-You tube video=

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw&feature=channel
     
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    Any culture that threatens to overrun your own, will "scare" you, and there will be a backlash. The problem with Muslims going to US/EU is they don't be "Romans in Rome", and like to build their own ghettos, have a very high population growth rate, and seek political power at a much faster rate than any other ethnic group. Later there's conflict with the majority's culture where the majority is made to make adjustments and sacrifices of its own culture to accommodate this new one.
     
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    ENOCH the Nostradamus of UK, per say for all the European States!











     
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    You seriously got your facts wrong !!

    It is very easy and convenient to blame the West for everything.

    The low-skilled Muslim communities all over Europe were not thrown in ghettos by the Europeans.
    when they migrated and moved into urban areas.....most these areas were decent neighbourhoods. As more and more of them moved into the same neighbourhoods, the whites moved out and eventually these places turned to full-scale muslim ghettos. The tendency to congregate and the inability to adapt, or assimilate but more importantly to respect the local culture and mores makes the locals want to move out and away from these groups. The other factor that drives the locals out is the crime associated with these communities.

    When they migrate - they bring all their ethnic rivalries, conflicts, screwed-up cultural customs and pathologies with them.

    This is not strictly a Muslim phenomenon - you see shades of it with the Sikhs and the Sri-Lankan Tamils in Canada but not to the extent of the Muslim groups in Europe.

    In essence, they simply create their own ghettos.
     
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    The West may not be outrightly blamed for all the ills of the immigrants.

    Yet, it is no secret, that these so called ‘low skilled’ immigrants were required by the West to take on the tasks which the white natives found loathsome to indulge in. Further, even illegal immigration is supported by the local industry since it allows ridiculously low pay to be given. The immigrants are hardly in a position to bargain since they can be thrown out of the country. It would be a double whammy since they would have paid a fortune to illegally come in! It also allows the local govt and the industry since social responsibilities are absent in so far as the illegals are concerned.

    In so far as ghettos are concerned, it is obvious that in an alien land, on arrival one would want to be in familiar surroundings. Therefore, there is the necessity to be drawn to areas where the people are from your own land.


    In so far as not assimilating into the cultural milieu of the nation, that is not quite that unusual. The lower class white natives do not find it particularly exciting to find cheap labour that immigrants provide take away their jobs. They are then caught between the devil and the deep sea since they are not qualified to take up better skilled jobs. Animosity and violence brew. It is obvious that the immigrant community does not roll over and play dead. Not because they want to be violent, but unless there is a equal reaction, the native whites would only take submissiveness to be a good reason to give the immigrant a worse hiding – such a hiding that the immigrants are encouraged to return to their land. Now, those who have spent a fortune to come would hardly want to be thrashed off the shores. Hence, racial riots!

    When one emigrates, they can hardly rid themselves of their roots. It takes a few generations before it can vanish, but even so, the ethnic lines and habits persist.

    One would do well to mull over if the Scots, Welsh or Cornish people behave in a similar and conform to the Anglo Saxons way of existence, be it culture, food, language or accent?
     
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    First of all sean, Diya Mirza is not a Muslim but a Hindu. Her mother was a Bengali Hindu and her father a German both settled in Hyderabad. It was later that her mother married Ahmed Mirza from Hyderbad and she adopted the surname mirza from there.

    The other more disturbing aspect is that you are implying that a "good muslim" is only those who worship idols. That is not only wrong and bigoted but further divides and alienates the vast number of Indians who do not worship idols. These include Christians, Parsis, Sikhs and Hindus like Lingayats or vedantists or arya samajis who do not do idol worship either.

    The best examples are from our great history of freedom struggle. Maulana Azad and Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan who were devout muslims but still great Indians just like Gandhiji was a devout Hindu and the father of our nation who rejected the two nation theory and talked about a united India. They have shown an excellent example of how respect is shown to each others beliefs and religious practices, and even today you will find examples of Muslims helping out Hindus in repairing their temples or Hindus helping out in repairing their local mosque and similar many examples.
     
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    The above is applicable for all immigrants all over the world.

    Check it out with the issue of the Bangladeshi immigrants in India. Of course, there has been no riots since they pass off as Hindu Bengalis with Hindu names.

    Ask them about their Uncles and Aunts. They will say 'chacha' and 'khala' instead of 'Kaka' and 'Kakima'! But their names will be "Rina", 'Nabanita' etc.

    Delhi is full of them. In fact, possibly much has been contributed to the so called modernisation of Delhi for the CWG by such illegal Bangladeshi turned Indians.

    Interestingly, they live in their own ghettos as they do in Brick Lane in London!
     
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    What is idol worship is a very absorbing dichotomy.

    Idol - An image used as an object of worship.

    Idolatry - Blind or excessive devotion to something.

    Mull it over - it will be seen that each religion has some icon that is representative of the faith and to which there is devotion, be it excessive or otherwise!
     

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