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Untill we get CONgress Mukt Bharat and Italian Mafia thrown back to Italy.
Rahul Baba is the 21st century "Nero" who loves to play with his dogs [ not that musical instrument] ... When Congress is systematically burned down [ read destroyed] he would say SO WHAT !!
 
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BJP Assam Mandate Will Be Short-Lived If It Does Not Deliver On Identity Issues


The BJP alliance’s thumping win in Assam, where it won 86 of the 126 seats at stake, is cause for sobriety, not over-optimism. Chest-thumping for a day may be excusable, but the party needs to quickly put its celebrations behind and think through what it is expected to deliver and how it will go about doing it.

A few realities need to be emphasised.

One, the BJP-AGP-BPF victory was possible due to the split in the 35 percent Muslim between Congress and Badruddin Ajmal’s AIUDF. A simple adding up of popular votes tells us this: the BJP front won 41.5 percent of the votes cast; the Congress and AIUDF got 44 percent between them. If the losers had banded together, the outcome could have been quite different. The next time it clearly won’t be the same.

Two, the BJP has been given a big mandate by those who feel threatened by demographic change – which would include the Assamese in general, and Hindus. While the first group includes both Assamese Hindus and Muslims, the latter group includes local Assamese, pre-partition Bengali Hindus settled in Assam, and illegal Hindu immigrants from Bangladesh. The BJP’s victory has been built by blurring the distinction between Assamese fears over identity, and Hindu fears about Muslim assertiveness, with the demographic tilt being strengthened by high birth rates and illegal Bangladeshi migration.

If the BJP is to hold on to its vote base, it will have to deliver on both development and Assamese/Hindu identity issues. Visibility in the latter is vital for the BJP to survive as the natural party of government in Assam. If it does not, there is no reason why the Assamese should not vote for the Congress.

Put simply, the BJP’s mandate is to do something about illegal migration. What it chooses to do has to be fair to immigrants, legal and yet reassuring to the Assamese. It is a difficult balance to pull off, but re-election in 2021 depends on solving this difficult equation.

The BJP does not have to reinvent the wheel to do this, for some infrastructure already exists for starting the process of detecting illegal migrants. 1971 is the cutoff point for deciding who is or is not a legal resident of Assam. But to do the job properly, another law may be needed.

The centre already has the National Citizen’s Register (NCR) going, and anyone who does not find his way into this register is theoretically not a citizen of India. Any Assam resident born in the state upto 1971, or who can trace an ancestor in electoral rolls between 1952 and 1971, is to be deemed an Indian citizen. The state government has created many NRC centres to help people find their ancestors.

While “secular” parties would like to pretend that illegal immigration is insignificant, the changes in demography between 2001 and 2011 indicate otherwise. During the decade, Assam’s Muslim population rose by 3.3 percent, from 30.9 percent to 34.2 percent, when the national Muslim population grew by 0.8 percent, from 13.6 percent to 14.2 percent.

As The Indian Express noted in a report last year, “since 1985…(foreigner detection) tribunals have declared over 38,000 persons in Assam as illegal migrants. Most of these 38,000 have gone missing, are absconding for fear of being caught, have been detained in camps, or been pushed back across the border. Over one lakh (cases) are pending in the Tribunals, and a sizeable number are likely to be declared foreigners. Nearly 1.5 lakh names in Assam’s electoral rolls carry the prefix “D” — for “Doubtful” citizenship status — which was inserted by the Election Commission of India.”

But even this will clearly be the tip of the iceberg, as the huge demographic change between 2001 and 2011 shows.

So what can the BJP do?

First, it needs to make the NRC process more rigorous and complete it within a time-bound manner.

Second, it needs be fair and compassionate to the illegal migrants too. It needs to abandon all fantasies of deporting too many illegals for the simple reason that the number may run into millions, and many of them have already migrated to states outside Assam. The more sensible thing to do is to legislate a law that will allow the government to strike off the names of illegals from electoral rolls for 10 years, while at the same time protecting their basic rights and allowing them to continue living here and doing the work they already do. This may need supplementary laws allowing for the issuance of work permits, including an agreement with Bangladesh. A treaty like the one we have with Nepal may be doable. The process of making illegals into citizens can start after they are first declared illegals and excluded from voting lists for 10 years. That is the penalty they pay for illegal entry.

Third, a distinction has to be made between pure economic migrants and those who came here seeking asylum from Islamist coercion and jihadi attacks in Bangladesh. The asylum-seekers will largely be non-Muslim (though there could be Muslims too, given the rise in recent attacks on bloggers and secular writers), their right to citizenship will have to be prioritised over migrants merely coming here for a better life. The secular parties failed to make this distinction even though steady ethnic cleansing has happened in Bangladesh all through the post-partition years. From 21 percent, Hindus in Bangladesh are now down to 8 percent or thereabouts. This massive ethnic cleansing has gone unmentioned in the English language media in India and abroad.

Fourth, a border fence would be useful, but this will merely make illegal crossing more difficult. Those who want to come can still do so through any neighbouring state as well. Even in the difficult terrain of the Indo-Pakistan border in Jammu & Kashmir, jihadis manage to infiltrate successfully. Economic refugees won’t court as much risk, but then the India-Bangladesh border is simply too porous. So fences can be built, but the real thing has to be about managing the illegal flows sensibly. Regulation is better than trying to forcibly defy demography.

If illegal immigration is stemmed, and illegal voters are deleted from the electoral list through legal means, the Assamese fears should abate.

The BJP cannot assume that it can win the next time merely by doing nothing.
 

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Just a random anecdote which is real, mods may delete it if it is OT.

I went to a tour recently with my parents. The driver who took us to a centrepoint of Meghalaya had to submit his ID card to the authorites. His name was mentioned as K. Raman. So we assumed he was a Hindu. Later we learnt from the Arabic inscriptions on the backside of his car that he was a Muslim. He was actually K. Rahman but he was hiding as a Hindu in Megahalaya/Assam.

I cannot fathom how GOI would remove such duplicitous people from India.

Edit: So I am posting this timidly. The guy also had a dark complexion ( :biggrin2: ) and had a Bangladeshi taan to his speech(he knew Bengali in addition to Hindi). This in addition to the Arabic writings convinced us of his real identity.
 
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Just a random anecdote which is real, mods may delete it if it is OT.

I went to a tour recently with my parents. The driver who took us to a centrepoint of Meghalaya had to submit his ID card to the authorites. His name was mentioned as K. Raman. So we assumed he was a Hindu. Later we learnt from the Arabic inscriptions on the backside of his car that he was a Muslim. He was actually K. Rahman but he was hiding as a Hindu in Megahalaya/Assam.

I cannot fathom how GOI would remove such duplicitous people from India.

Edit: So I am posting this timidly. The guy also had a dark complexion ( :biggrin2: ) and had a Bangladeshi taan to his speech(he knew Bengali in addition to Hindi). This in addition to the Arabic writings convinced us of his real identity.
I've more hope with AGP (Ally in new govt) as they were the first to raise illegal migrants issue decades ago.

And since Center and state has same govt Assam Rifles and BSF can carry out their task smoothly and without any pressure.
 

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Finallyyyyyy!!!

The congress rule is gone from Assam.. I hope this will solve the intrusion problem now.
Not permanently. You seem to forget that this is BJP not NSDAP. Nothing is permanent when there is a chance that everything you created can just destroyed within a short period of time by your enemies.
 
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Didi will be the next PM of India unless anti-Bengali syndrome among northerners deny her that right.
No one will deny a good PM candidate... Mamta is not a PM candidate...

On a lighter note enjoy the song below...

The male actor is Bengali from West Bengal , the female actor is Tamil from Tamil Nadu south India and the singer is a Punjabi from Punjab...

This is India ... there is problems here and there but we will overcome them all...

 

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No one will deny a good PM candidate... Mamta is not a PM candidate...

On a lighter note enjoy the song below...

The male actor is Bengali from West Bengal , the female actor is Tamil from Tamil Nadu south India and the singer is a Punjabi from Punjab...

This is India ... there is problems here and there but we will overcome them all...

Thanks, but can't imagine Uttam Kumar without Suchi
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/bjp...ved-if-it-does-not-deliver-on-identity-issues

BJP Assam Mandate Will Be Short-Lived If It Does Not Deliver On Identity Issues


The BJP alliance’s thumping win in Assam, where it won 86 of the 126 seats at stake, is cause for sobriety, not over-optimism. Chest-thumping for a day may be excusable, but the party needs to quickly put its celebrations behind and think through what it is expected to deliver and how it will go about doing it.

A few realities need to be emphasised.

One, the BJP-AGP-BPF victory was possible due to the split in the 35 percent Muslim between Congress and Badruddin Ajmal’s AIUDF. A simple adding up of popular votes tells us this: the BJP front won 41.5 percent of the votes cast; the Congress and AIUDF got 44 percent between them. If the losers had banded together, the outcome could have been quite different. The next time it clearly won’t be the same.

Two, the BJP has been given a big mandate by those who feel threatened by demographic change – which would include the Assamese in general, and Hindus. While the first group includes both Assamese Hindus and Muslims, the latter group includes local Assamese, pre-partition Bengali Hindus settled in Assam, and illegal Hindu immigrants from Bangladesh. The BJP’s victory has been built by blurring the distinction between Assamese fears over identity, and Hindu fears about Muslim assertiveness, with the demographic tilt being strengthened by high birth rates and illegal Bangladeshi migration.

If the BJP is to hold on to its vote base, it will have to deliver on both development and Assamese/Hindu identity issues. Visibility in the latter is vital for the BJP to survive as the natural party of government in Assam. If it does not, there is no reason why the Assamese should not vote for the Congress.

Put simply, the BJP’s mandate is to do something about illegal migration. What it chooses to do has to be fair to immigrants, legal and yet reassuring to the Assamese. It is a difficult balance to pull off, but re-election in 2021 depends on solving this difficult equation.

The BJP does not have to reinvent the wheel to do this, for some infrastructure already exists for starting the process of detecting illegal migrants. 1971 is the cutoff point for deciding who is or is not a legal resident of Assam. But to do the job properly, another law may be needed.

The centre already has the National Citizen’s Register (NCR) going, and anyone who does not find his way into this register is theoretically not a citizen of India. Any Assam resident born in the state upto 1971, or who can trace an ancestor in electoral rolls between 1952 and 1971, is to be deemed an Indian citizen. The state government has created many NRC centres to help people find their ancestors.

While “secular” parties would like to pretend that illegal immigration is insignificant, the changes in demography between 2001 and 2011 indicate otherwise. During the decade, Assam’s Muslim population rose by 3.3 percent, from 30.9 percent to 34.2 percent, when the national Muslim population grew by 0.8 percent, from 13.6 percent to 14.2 percent.

As The Indian Express noted in a report last year, “since 1985…(foreigner detection) tribunals have declared over 38,000 persons in Assam as illegal migrants. Most of these 38,000 have gone missing, are absconding for fear of being caught, have been detained in camps, or been pushed back across the border. Over one lakh (cases) are pending in the Tribunals, and a sizeable number are likely to be declared foreigners. Nearly 1.5 lakh names in Assam’s electoral rolls carry the prefix “D” — for “Doubtful” citizenship status — which was inserted by the Election Commission of India.”

But even this will clearly be the tip of the iceberg, as the huge demographic change between 2001 and 2011 shows.

So what can the BJP do?

First, it needs to make the NRC process more rigorous and complete it within a time-bound manner.

Second, it needs be fair and compassionate to the illegal migrants too. It needs to abandon all fantasies of deporting too many illegals for the simple reason that the number may run into millions, and many of them have already migrated to states outside Assam. The more sensible thing to do is to legislate a law that will allow the government to strike off the names of illegals from electoral rolls for 10 years, while at the same time protecting their basic rights and allowing them to continue living here and doing the work they already do. This may need supplementary laws allowing for the issuance of work permits, including an agreement with Bangladesh. A treaty like the one we have with Nepal may be doable. The process of making illegals into citizens can start after they are first declared illegals and excluded from voting lists for 10 years. That is the penalty they pay for illegal entry.

Third, a distinction has to be made between pure economic migrants and those who came here seeking asylum from Islamist coercion and jihadi attacks in Bangladesh. The asylum-seekers will largely be non-Muslim (though there could be Muslims too, given the rise in recent attacks on bloggers and secular writers), their right to citizenship will have to be prioritised over migrants merely coming here for a better life. The secular parties failed to make this distinction even though steady ethnic cleansing has happened in Bangladesh all through the post-partition years. From 21 percent, Hindus in Bangladesh are now down to 8 percent or thereabouts. This massive ethnic cleansing has gone unmentioned in the English language media in India and abroad.

Fourth, a border fence would be useful, but this will merely make illegal crossing more difficult. Those who want to come can still do so through any neighbouring state as well. Even in the difficult terrain of the Indo-Pakistan border in Jammu & Kashmir, jihadis manage to infiltrate successfully. Economic refugees won’t court as much risk, but then the India-Bangladesh border is simply too porous. So fences can be built, but the real thing has to be about managing the illegal flows sensibly. Regulation is better than trying to forcibly defy demography.

If illegal immigration is stemmed, and illegal voters are deleted from the electoral list through legal means, the Assamese fears should abate.

The BJP cannot assume that it can win the next time merely by doing nothing.
tra Sen.

None of these prescription is doable. Even the assumptions are wrong and totally influenced by anti-Muslim and anti-Bengali political rhetoric. Therefore, BJP will just do nothing. However, Assamese will, as always, continue to vote for the party in power at the Center to be able to obtain better funding.
 

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None of these prescription is doable. Even the assumptions are wrong and totally influenced by anti-Muslim and anti-Bengali political rhetoric. Therefore, BJP will just do nothing. However, Assamese will, as always, continue to vote for the party in power at the Center to be able to obtain better funding.
Thats an Idiotic post. West Bengalis themselves in Assam & Bengal, WANT illegal BDee's Kicked OUT!!! So are you saying Bengalis are themselves Anti-Bengalis? Off you go Jehadi BDee maggot, get your filth out of our country.
 

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There is no anti-Bengali syndrome in India but anti-Leftist-Bangali syndrome is developing nowadays.
 

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Thats an Idiotic post. West Bengalis themselves in Assam & Bengal, WANT illegal BDee's Kicked OUT!!! So are you saying Bengalis are themselves Anti-Bengalis? Off you go Jehadi BDee maggot, get your filth out of our country.
What you say is not only idiotic but totally rubbish. Apparently you do not have the education/training to see beyond cheap political rhetoric.
 

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Thats an Idiotic post. West Bengalis themselves in Assam & Bengal, WANT illegal BDee's Kicked OUT!!! So are you saying Bengalis are themselves Anti-Bengalis? Off you go Jehadi BDee maggot, get your filth out of our country.
planet not country.....................
 

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Thanks, but can't imagine Uttam Kumar without Suchi


tra Sen.

None of these prescription is doable. Even the assumptions are wrong and totally influenced by anti-Muslim and anti-Bengali political rhetoric. Therefore, BJP will just do nothing. However, Assamese will, as always, continue to vote for the party in power at the Center to be able to obtain better funding.
Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed was the main architect of Bangladeshi infiltration in Assam, after the 47 partition it was the Bengali Hindus who took the land from local Assamese then came the flood of Bengali Muslims starting from late 60's to end of 70's...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakhruddin_Ali_Ahmed

http://www.assam.org/news/how-bangladeshi-muslims-wiped-assamese-out-their-own-land

http://eastindiawatch.blogspot.in/2008/05/well-known-story-retold.html
 

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There is no anti-Bengali syndrome in India but anti-Leftist-Bangali syndrome is developing nowadays.
Bengal,Kerela and pockets of east UP and Bihar is the breeding ground of communist and anti nationals.

These are the same people who proudly claimed themselves commie in the past now voting overwhelmingly for Mamta and by switching side they proudly accompany Paki journalist visiting "mini Pakistan"
 

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Bengal,Kerela and pockets of east UP and Bihar is the breeding ground of communist and anti nationals.

These are the same people who proudly claimed themselves commie in the past now voting overwhelmingly for Mamta and by switching side they proudly accompany Paki journalist visiting "mini Pakistan"
My post was in general about Bengali people, I personally know many and none of them are Commie/anti-nationals. It seems that "liberals" are restricted to vote bank areas, some of the areas where you pointed out.
 

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What you say is not only idiotic but totally rubbish. Apparently you do not have the education/training to see beyond cheap political rhetoric.
Says a Jehadi Arab Wannabe Paki A$$ licker? Go get fcked by Mulla in a Masjid near you. Thats all you are worth of. I dont need certificate from you, I know better about myc country than you whackos could get ever think off. BDees dont deserve any rights/land in India. Get your people out of Assam and W Bengal!! Stop peddling bullshit of common Bengali identity. You lost your chances when you killed multiple of thousands of Fellow Hindu Bengalis in 47 and 71. Muslims BD's infiltrating into India and eating away resources belonging to our citizens, creating ruckus should be shot dead. Period!
 

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@AnantS First of all he is unable to acknowledge that Bangladeshis infiltrate/migrate to India for jobs/life/loots and Jihad this shows his level of understanding on the matter.
 

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Bengal,Kerela and pockets of east UP and Bihar is the breeding ground of communist and anti nationals.

These are the same people who proudly claimed themselves commie in the past now voting overwhelmingly for Mamta and by switching side they proudly accompany Paki journalist visiting "mini Pakistan"
Communist specially in Bengal will be the last one to vote for Mamta... She single handedly broken their back...
 

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BJP will do nothing. What would it do? Throw out illegal Bangladeshis? Impossible for any Indian party. Assam Gana Praishad came to power in 1985 on its own with even more thumping majority, could not do anything. BJP bhaktas will point out, Congress was in centre but in 1996 to 2001 when AGP ruled Assam and Vajpayee ruled centre, nothing was done. Modi is even more secular than Vajpayee.
 

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Communist specially in Bengal will be the last one to vote for Mamta... She single handedly broken their back...
So tell us where is the vote bank of Communist who voted them in power for decades ?

A Bengali guy in DU told me that his family used to be the hardcore supporters of CPI but now they vote for Mamta.
 

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