Article 370 won’t be part of BJP campaigning in J&K.

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    Article 370 won’t be part of BJP campaigning.
    TNN | Nov 8, 2014, 12.41AM IST


    "Article 370 is a national issue for us. The state government has nothing to do with it and any decision on the issue will vest with the Union government," said a source.

    NEW DELHI: While BJP is hoping to make a big impact in the J&K assembly elections, the party is unlikely to rake up its pet issue of revocation of Article 370 in the poll campaign. BJP has traditionally opposed the Constitutional provision, saying it comes in the way of complete integration of the state by according it a special status.

    The party, which has launched 'Mission 44 Plus' to win a majority in the assembly elections, will instead focus on development and the alleged "misrule" of the twin families of Abdullahs of National Conference and Muftis of PDP. "We will go to the people in the name of development to get the state rid of these two families. Their 'family raj' stands for corruption and deprivation," said party general secretary Ram Madhav, in-charge of the state.

    Asked whether revocation of Article 370 will figure prominently in the party's campaign, he declined to comment. Madhav said the manifesto for the state election will make things clear.

    Sources said the party will "soft-pedal" the controversial issue as the focus is on getting the magic figure of 44 in the 87-member assembly.

    "Article 370 is a national issue for us. The state government has nothing to do with it and any decision on the issue will vest with the Union government," said a source.

    There is a strong public feeling in the Muslim-dominated Valley against any tweaking of the Article which grants the state special privileges.

    Looking to reach out to voters in the valley as well, Prime Minister Narendra Modi will address public rallies there, focussing on his theme of development. He will launch the campaign after his return from Australia on November 20. The valley has 46 seats compared to 37 in Jammu region and four in Ladakh. BJP will need to win seats in the Kashmir valley to reach the majority mark. The party is confident of doing well in the Jammu region. BJP is also stressing on registration of migrant Kashmiri Pandit voters in the electoral rolls as they can play a decisive role in a few seats in the valley.

    Sources said an important state leader is set to join the party on November 9.

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    Around 200 members of Kashmir’s key political parties joined BJP - See more at: Around 200 members of Kashmir’s key political parties joined BJP | The Indian Express

    Around 200 members of Kashmir’s key political parties joined BJP | The Indian Express

    Around 200 political workers of Kashmir’s key political parties joined the Bhartiya Janta Party (BJP) on Saturday. Senior BJP Leader and Former Punjab Police Chief P S Gill along with other leaders of the party welcomed the workers during a function organised in Srinagar.
    Gill who interacted with the media said that PM Modi would visit Kashmir during the campaigning of the party. “PM Modi will come here to attend the campaigning rallies and he will also present his vision that he has made for the people,” he said. “PM Modi has started delivering on the promises that he made before the elections, and now people are getting attracted,” Gill said. “I am sure people would support and join him.”
    When asked whether the center government was doing enough for the flood hit people in Valley, he said that it is not an overnight process. “It would take time to rebuild the Kashmir again.”Gill said that in the coming days party’s manifesto for the assembly elections would be released. “Mission 44 will be achieved by the BJP in in the State,” he said.
    Meanwhile, the workers who joined the BJP said that they want a change from “family rule in Kashmir.”
    “I was associated with National Conference for a long time, but now today I joined the BJP because I want to see a change,” said Ali Mohammed, from North Kashmir.
    - See more at: Around 200 members of Kashmir’s key political parties joined BJP | The Indian Express
     
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    Pragmatism rules the day.

    Some new ways to ensure one Nation will surely be dreamed of and sold.
     
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    More like tactical,winning is a must!
     
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    BJP's catch-22 in Kashmir: Article 370 is stronger than party's ambitions

    Life has come full circle for the BJP in 60 years. Just like one of its ideologues Shyama Prasad Mukherjee, who vacillated between support and opposition to the contentious issue, the party’s existing think-tank can’t make up its mind on Article- 370 of our Constitution.
    The party’s confusion—the kind that evokes the frustrating image of a puppy chasing its tail—is out in the open again with its inability to decide whether to stick to its popular stance on Article-370 or bow down to electoral contingencies and abandon a cause that gave it a unique identity.
    Speaking at Paddar in Kishtwar on Wednesday, home minister Rajnath Singh said Article 370 should not be ‘raked up’ during the campaign for 2014 Assembly polls. "It (Article 370) is (a) national issue. It is a matter of debate. BJP's stand on it is clear," Singh told a public meeting.
    Rajnath Singh. AFP.Rajnath Singh. AFP.
    The problem is that the BJP’s stand on the issue is anything but clear.
    Will it abrogate the Article? Will it follow its pet-nemesis Jawaharlal Nehru’s strategy defined by his famous quote: 'Article-370 ghiste ghiste ghis jayega (it will get eroded on its own)'? Will its promise of repealing the provision -- much as its saugandh (vow) of building a Ram temple in Ayodhya and introducing a uniform civil code -- be dumped for electoral gains?
    The BJP’s official position on Article-370 in 2014 (it keeps changing with every election manifesto) is that the party will take a decision on the basis of the concurrence of the J&K Assembly. But the problem with its latest stance is that some of its candidates are opposed to abrogation of this provision and have even threatened to pick up guns to oppose any attempt to abolish it.
    So, we have a classic Catch-22 situation: BJP needs a majority for repealing Article-370. But if it manages to win the election, its MLAs may not vote against the special status. Net result: Article-370 will survive, with or without a BJP government in the Valley.
    The delayed realization that Article-370—its merits can be argued—is inextricably linked to India’s history and is an unbreakable link to Kashmir is actually a sign that the BJP is growing up from a juvenile upstart into a mature political outfit.
    The BJP’s founding fathers had often argued that they were opposed to special status to the Valley and the problem had its genesis in Nehruvian politics. But this is not the entire truth.
    It is well known that the current Prime Minister’s favourite Congress politician Sardar Patel played an important role in getting the provision for J&K’s special status cleared by our Constituent Assembly. Contrary to the BJP-propagated opinion, Patel intervened in a dispute between some Congress party members opposed to the special status and Jawaharlal Nehru’s minister (without portfolio but entrusted with the task of dealing with the issue) Gopalaswamy Ayyangar to ensure the smooth passage of Article 370 (called 306 then). The Sardar’s fans ascribe various reasons for his support to Ayyangar but that is a separate debate.
    What is, however, not as well known is that Mukherjee, who died in 1953 under mysterious circumstances after being arrested for opposing the special status to Kashmir, had initially accepted the inevitability of Article-370. His shifting position was recently chronicled by writer AG Noorani, who argued in his book ‘Article 370 : A Constitutional History of J and K’ (OUP, 2011, Page 480) that Mukherjee had accepted the proposition that the Valley was entitled to autonomy. According to former Jansangh chief Balraj Madhok, Mukherjee changed his mind only under pressure from the RSS.
    Now that the BJP has diluted its stand again—dialogue not direct action—it is clear that the curtain on one of India’s biggest political controversies is about to come down.
    Article-370 was meant to be a temporary provision for assuaging the fears of the people in the Valley of before the state’s accession to India. Nehru had hoped that Kashmiris would finally realize the benefits of becoming a part of India and Article-370 would die a natural death.
    The BJP may, ironically, end up putting its stamp of finality on the temporary provision if it wins the election in Kashmir.

    BJP's catch-22 in Kashmir: Article 370 is stronger than party's ambitions - Firstpost
     
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    Hum kare toh tactical , woh kare toh appeasement. :lol:
     
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    it doesn't matter to me! Wining jk is important!

    Without 370,bjp can settle pandits,can bring other laws like equal rights to girls in jk! Step by step bjp should go!
     
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    For this election BJP isn't raising Article 370 as an election issue. In fact most of their candidates(atleast non-Hindus) are opposed to removal of Article 370.

    BJP will go in for a post-poll alliance if it sweeps Hindu areas of Jammu with either Sajjad Lone or Mufti family. Lone and Muft are more seditious and opportunistic than Abdullahs. Later they might break this alliance and ally with Abdullahs their old chums.

    But you believe BJP will win J&K, will somehow remove Article 370, and then be able to restore so much calm that it'll settle the Pandits in the Valley whilst bring other laws like "equal rights to girls" as well.

    I'll believe you when I get a 15 lac deposit in my account.
     
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    And nobody cares about the Kashmir pandits.

    1. Please visit refugee camps of Pandits.
    2. Please visit the valley and check upon the Pandits currently living there.
     
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    I don't think article 370 can be removed that easily. And certainly not at the moment. Probably when we are a $5 trillion economy with technology at least at par with East Asian nations and defence nearly at par with China - that is when moves can be made to gradually start diluting article 370.

    But frankly, dilution and removal of 370 is a crying need in the long term. Demographic mixing and dilution is the only way to solve the Kashmir problem for good. Not only Kashmir, all Muslim majority areas in the nation (especially those in West UP) need to see similar demographic dilution, starting right now. If this is not done, we will see more Kashmirs all over the nation, and we will be staring at a civil-war wracked nation. This is no joke. It is a serious matter that has to be taken up ASAP.

    Probably a good start would be to build massive townships close to Muslim majority areas in West UP, on the lines of the townships built in the Nehru era like Bhilai, Rourkela, etc. These townships should be fueled by a primary industry such as a steel plant, power plant, massive manufacturing, etc. That is a good starting point for the demographic dilution project.
     
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    i didn't care abt 370 at all. I didn't think bjp will sweep. Just find a midway with other parties.
     
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    So why do you want BJP to come to power ?
    And why do you want BJP to come to power after allying with the scum of the earth ?
     
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    AAP to ulta hi soch rahein hain - jabki bhajapa J & K ko mainstream main la kar ek aur state banana chahte hain, AAP to unko bharat se alag hone ki ijazat dena chate hain... :)
     
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    Let us deconstruct your points

    BJP wants to bring J&K into the mainstream by
    a. not revoking 370
    b. fielding candidates who are opposed to revoking 370, and possibly also Hindutva.
    c. probably allying with separatists like Lone and Mufti

    Rest of your opinions about non-BJP/RSS members are well your own creation. :)
     
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    Absolutely. There is no alternative to "Demographic mixing and dilution", hopefully culminating in "Demographic Inversion" in these seditious pockets of Indian heartland, if this civilization is to sustain for another century (in a meaningful & perceptible manner).
     
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    You do not take on all your enemies in a single shot. Especially when, you count for little.

    Uprooting the Abdullah khaandaan (& its Congi benefactors in the state) in Priority No.1, so that J&K can have some semblance of governance. As it is, J&K is arguably the most corrupt & misgoverned province in the nation. This will be fixed.

    Gradually, as the populace realizes & reaps the dividends of development, separatist tendencies are expected to wither down (gradually) & cease in the long run. Which makes, allies like Sajjad Lone, irrelevant. Somewhat like the treatment that was meted out to SS in Maharashtra. That would be the moment when the killing blow could be swung at Ar.370's neck.

    It is sheer opportunism (or tactical re-alignment, if you will) & it is the need of the hour to integrate J&K into India. Continued, unchallenged hegemony of regional parties in J&K does not augurs well for Indian Union. RSS-BJP intends to fix that.

    I see no harm in an J&K well-integrated in Indian Union. Do you have two minds over it ?
     
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    Article 370 can be removed in seconds, it depends on political will.

    ==

    Western UP is not muslim majority. In fact Western UP's bad reputation isn't solely because of muslims. You have gujjars, yadavs, jaats, brahmins etc. gangsters too.

    And if you are worried about the diktats of Mullahs, wait till you see the diktats of other castes.

    If you operate in Noida/Greater Noida you have to pay protection money to the local politicians, police and gundas.
    In Haryana you have to pay local politicians, and cops to take care of land and labour issues.
     
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    Abdullahs are natural allies of BJP. They will join hands later. I have already said that.

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    Army rules J&K for all practical purposes.

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    Jammu and Kashmir folks are making tons of money at the expense of the rest of the taxpayers. Why would they want to change that ?

    There is no poverty in that state btw.

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    Reading too many fairy tales ?

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    You want J&K to integrate into the union by supporting Article 370. Yep, I am confused.
     
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    Western UP is close to 50% Muslim.

    And you missed the point I was trying to make. Yes, of course there are gangsters of all kinds - Yadavs, Jats, Gujjars, etc. etc. etc. They are also thorns who need to be taken care of.

    But the point is: those are law and order issues. A Jat street goonda or a Yadav extortionist is a law and order problem, which has to be taken care of by the police, and can (and should) be tackled by the judicial framework.

    In case of a Muslim-majority region, we have not just a law&order problem, but potential separatism issues. A Muslim majority region, if it is sufficiently large in area and population, is going to scream out for secession soon. This ceases to be a law&order issue, and moves on to be a national security and national integration issue. In today's age, with the rise of Wahhabism and trans-national 'Muslim nationalism' with groups like the ISIS and Taliban gaining more and more mindshare, this is a more serious problem than ever.

    No matter how much goondaism and thuggery you see in Bihar or UP, you will never see demands for secession and separatism. While thuggery and goondaism is bad in itself, it can be suppressed, the way Nitish did in Bihar, or the way Mumbai cops clipped the wings of the underworld in the 1990s. Separatism fueled by demographic imbalance is a different ball game altogether.

    I hope you get my point.
     
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    No he will not get your point... :)
     
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