Army watches as Siachen dialogue resumes

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It will never be agreed to.

If Siachen is vacated, to occupy in the case Pakistan renegades an Agreement, it will be well nigh impossible as from their side it is easier and because it would take time for acclimatisation, if the procedure is to be followed.

If dropped by helicopters, the troops on that occupy the Posts thereafter will be vulnerable to various types of High Altitude sickness and so it will reduce the 'staying power'. Death is natural if affected by Pulmonary Oedema.

By vacating, it will open up avenue from the Karakoram Pass to Leh as also will allow the Chinese, with assistance from Pakistan, make an unbroken link from Shaksgam Valley (ceded to China by Pakistan) to Chinese Occupied Aksai Chin.
 
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Indian army pressure


FOR most of its existence, Pakistan has struggled with establishing strong civilian governments. Repeated interruptions in the democratic process have made the military notorious for maintaining an outsized role in policymaking, especially when it comes to foreign relations, security and defence. India, on the other hand, has ostensibly made bigger strides in this regard and is routinely praised for its democracy. Conventional wisdom has held that the country`s civilian governments control its military, not the other way around. But confidential US diplomatic cables obtained through WikiLeaks suggest that the extent of this independence has been overstated. As this paper reported yesterday, the Indian army has been a key impediment to resolving the deadlock with Pakistan over Siachen. American officials have reported in these documents over the years that while the Indian prime minister has wanted to show flexibility in negotiations, pressure from the army has not allowed him to do so. While the resistance of opposition politicians and hardliners within the Congress party is also reported, that is part and parcel of a functioning democracy. What was less expected was the extent to which army buy-in would be needed for India to move forward on Siachen.

But this glacier is an uninhabited area with no economic significance. The deadlock has only resulted in increased defence expenditure and climate-related deaths of both Indian and Pakistani troops. If the Siachen issue has resulted in this level of military interference, what hope can there be for Kashmir? Extrajudicial killings and arbitrary detentions in India-administered Kashmir are one manifestation of the hold that the Indian security forces have on the area. The use of excessive force during protests last summer has been well-documented. And if the confidential material on Siachen is any indication, the civilian government may well be unable to move forward on Kashmir in the face of pressure from the Indian defence establishment.

The implications are clear: despite justified criticism of the role of Pakistan`s military in setting foreign policy, the reality is that the civilian governments on both sides have military pressure to stand up to. Both administrations also have a real desire for dispute resolution that is clearly being held back by this pressure. In these shared realities lies an opportunity: they should become a basis for establishing common ground between the two governments rather than roadblocks on the path to peace. They also indicate that both countries have work to do domestically to boost their democracies further, so that their relationship can be strengthened to more accurately reflect the true aspirations of their people.


Indian army pressure | Newspaper | DAWN.COM
 

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It will never be agreed to.

If Siachen is vacated, to occupy in the case Pakistan renegades an Agreement, it will be well nigh impossible as from their side it is easier and because it would take time for acclimatisation, if the procedure is to be followed.

If dropped by helicopters, the troops on that occupy the Posts thereafter will be vulnerable to various types of High Altitude sickness and so it will reduce the 'staying power'. Death is natural if affected by Pulmonary Oedema.

By vacating, it will open up avenue from the Karakoram Pass to Leh as also will allow the Chinese, with assistance from Pakistan, make an unbroken link from Shaksgam Valley (ceded to China by Pakistan) to Chinese Occupied Aksai Chin.
Sir, this is little intreguing, there is no noises for illegal occupation of China of our territory of Kashmir. Or it is our way of saying that Chinese are illegal occupants, they can not be party to negotiations
 

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WikiLeaks: Indian army poses as obstacle to Siachen solution


SOURCE : TRIBUNE PAKISTAN



There has been repeated failure to reach a solution on the Siachen dispute due to the Indian army's resistance to giving up its territory under any condition, according to latest cables released by Wikileaks.

According to the 2006 cable classified by the Deputy Chief of Mission Geoff Pyatt, the reasons for the Indian army's resistance are its strategic advantage over China, internal army corruption, distrust of Pakistan and a desire to keep hold of advantageous territory that thousands of Indian soldiers have died protecting.

The cable stated that every time India and Pakistan came "very close" to an agreement on the Siachen issue, the prime minister of the day would be forced to back out by the Indian defence establishment, the Congress Party hardline and opposition leaders.

When the 2006 India-Pakistan Foreign Secretary talks set up a joint mechanism for discussing counter-terrorism issues ended with rumours that Pakistan had made a concession on Siachen, observers had said that the prime minister will be significantly constrained in any part of his agenda with Pakistan in the coming months, especially in the face of significant opposition from within his own party and an emboldened BJP that viewed the joint mechanism as an opportunity to portray the Congress Party as soft on terrorism.

The cable stated that former Indian Ambassador Parthasarthy, who personally dissuaded Rajiv Gandhi from making a similar deal on Siachen in 1989, said this concession does not satisfy India's underlying concern — that points be agreed to in advance so the Pakistani Army would be unable to simply march back in to the area and take the high peaks around the Siachen glacier that India currently controls. The cable further said:
Parthasarthy further remarked that he had discussed the issue with senior Congress Party members, who have significant sway over Sonia Gandhi and Congress Party politics, and there is "no way in hell" that they would allow India to withdraw under disadvantageous conditions. He added that the "Prime Minister won't get away with what he is trying to do." He said Musharraf's book had convinced many in the Indian army that they cannot trust Pakistan, especially when he could blame an invasion of Indian territory on "mujahideen."
In another cable, Ambassador David Mulford citing various obstacles to an agreement on Siachen wrote about the first obstacle:
Army Chief JJ Singh appears on the front page of the "Indian Express" seemingly fortnightly to tell readers the Army cannot support a withdrawal from Siachen. Given India's high degree of civilian control over the armed forces, it is improbable that Gen. Singh could repeatedly make such statements without MoD civilians giving at least tacit approval. Whether or not this is the case, a Siachen deal is improbable while his — and the Army's — opposition continues to circulate publicly.
On Tuesday, Pakistan and India ended a 12th round of talks over the Siachen Glacier without a hint of agreement on the modalities of a proposed demilitarisation and other key issues related to their tense standoff.

Pakistan and India decided to meet again at a mutually convenient date in Islamabad. New Delhi insisted that Islamabad must authenticate present troop position of the two sides.

While Pakistan insists on maintaining the pre-1972 troop positions, as agreed in the Simla Agreement, India wants its neighbour to authenticate the Actual Ground Position Line both on the maps as well as on the ground. Siachen is considered the "low-hanging fruit" of the India-Pakistan peace process.
 

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^^ Screw Americans. Our territory, our army, our wish. Stuff yer wikileaks up yers.
 

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Im glad Indian Army is raising its concerns about the Siachen issue with indian govt, and the govt agreeing with IA.
 

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