Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery scam

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    Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery scandal
    SOURCE: TNN

    The Army is launching a fresh hunt for anti-material rifles, meant for “bunker-bursting” as well as “penetrating” light-armoured vehicles, eight years after its earlier project with South African company Denel got derailed mid-way due to kickback allegations and political mudslinging.

    The Army is now ready with the technical parameters, or GSQRs (general staff qualitative requirements), for the fresh global tender for the anti-material rifles. The force wants the rifle — weighing not over 15 kg to ensure two soldiers can carry it — with an effective range of over 1,000-metre to take on enemy bunkers and other field fortifications, “soft-skinned” armoured vehicles and low-flying helicopters, say sources.

    The new anti-material rifle project will be a major one, with the first lot being imported directly and the rest indigenously manufactured after transfer of technology (ToT). The Army, apart from its other arms, wants each of its 355 infantry battalions to have at least four such specialized rifles that can fire special calibre high-explosive incendiary/armour-piercing ammunition.

    The long-delayed quest for these rifles is just one of the several military modernization projects that have gone for a toss due to corruption scams and consequent blacklisting of armament majors. “The guilty should be hung…the entire procurement system needs to be overhauled to ensure national security requirements are not hit time and again,” said a senior officer.

    For instance, Army’s failure to induct even a single advanced 155mm artillery gun since the Bofors scandal of the mid-1980s. “Blacklisting has proven counter-productive. Most major artillery manufacturers, like Denel, Rheinmetall, Singapore Technologies and Soltam, are blacklisted by India…It’s only now the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) and private players like the Tatas are developing 155mm howitzers,” said a MoD official.

    The anti-material rifles’ story is similar. The UPA-I government in April 2005 had put on hold all dealings with Denel after it came to light that 12.75% commission was allegedly paid to a firm, Varas Associates, to swing the five contracts signed between July 1999 and March 2005.

    The contracts were for 700 anti-material rifles and 398,000 rounds of ammunition, followed by ToT to OFB along with “knocked down kits” for another 300 rifles. The Army had inducted just around 300 rifles when the CBI registered the case in June 2005.

    At that time, the Congress was using the case — along with the emergency purchases for the 1999 Kargil conflict and the Tehelka tapes — to go after George Fernandes, who was the defence minister in the NDA regime when the initial rifle contracts were inked. The CBI, however, is yet to make any major headway in the case.

    Now, Army wants to induct light-weight anti-material rifles that are “man-portable” with a two-jawan crew. “The Denel rifles, while they have performed well, are quite heavy at 28-29 kg apiece. There are also major problems in importing its specialized bullets and ammunition,” said an officer.
     
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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Who are the contenders?
     
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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Barret M82
    Gepard Lynx
    Steyr HS 50
    Mcmillian Tac 50
    M93 Black Arrow

    etc.
     
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    No DREDOs or OFV
     
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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Theoretically speaking, how effective are these guns in battle?
     
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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Don't we already use such rifles, such as the Carl-Gustav?

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    If we are looking for newer rifles, what is wrong with these Carl-Gustavs? Sure, they are heavy, but for bunker busting, how light can we get?
     
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    It is call rocket launcher in IA, Its an RCL but in IA only RCL is 106mm on Jeep .. :D

    The need for Anti-Material Rifle to take out targets at 1.5 - 3.0 km, It can be used on Helicopter , Personals, Bunkers & Light / Armoud Vehicles ..

    Army already use Ant-material Rifle call Vidwanshak but its too heavy..

     
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    Is Vidhwansak Anti Material rifle outdated?

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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Though If i am not wrong, Army prefers 14.5mm over 12.7mm, In that case 14.5mm Anti-material Rifles such as Gepárd GM-6 Lynx have more chances of winning also its lighter than US counterpart..
     
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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Gud post, Saved lot of time of goggling..

    Though both AMR looks big, Keep in mind that we are looking for light portable AMR ..
     
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    don' t know seriou or again playing game like mmrca.



    We must give order to indian company no matter if they are 19,20.

    System are useless in every where no matter govt or force.
     
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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Its not difficult to make an bolt action 14.7mm AMR in house with OFB, But as lobby will surely look outside.. :D
     
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    do you know why indian product not inducted in force because of kickback

    some asked how an officer eenjoyed luxury life after retirement answer is kickback ...
     
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    Re: Army renews hunt for bunker-bursting rifles 8 years after bribery

    Do you know why MOD didn't even bother to give a GSQR for such requirement rather go for such a long process ? Just saying coz its harming us..

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    Nice stereotyping.

    A "Civilian" man doing something horrible : He is an azzhole

    A "Army Man" man doing something horrible : "These" people are like.............

    Moral : A "Civilian" man's deed reflects on himself while a "Army Man" mans deed somehow reflects on his whole community..

     
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    Sir, AFAIK western troupes deploy 2 man teams each of whom carries a part of the weapon in their backpacks (barrel & lower) along with AR. The AMR is assembled on spot similar to a MANPADS team.

    Does IA want the new AMR to be a one man weapon?

     
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    Its difficult to have AMR as 1 man weapon, needs to be two, its just like the way Sniper team is deployed.
     
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    Indian Army use three Man also due to size of the AMR, Its deployment is difficult in difficult terrain ..

    Small, Light and Compact is easy to carry over high-altitudes and mountains and in long Runs..

     
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    why army needs a weapon capable of firing 20mm that too with multi cal facility as eevery one knows that succh a weapon would be too heavy and these so calledd snipers are meant for deep penetration uniits mainly and for thheir ease of use 12.7 mm weapons are suitable whichh needs just two man crew.Where as a heavy 20mm weapon needing 3 man crew means more chance to get their cower blown up.With out the surprise and mobility elements snipers just like submarines are sitting ducks.
     

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