Army Rapid Modernisation: Antony dusts VK Singh's blueprint

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Does prove that Gen VK Singh was not talking through his hat.

    One has to see if it is to open the floodgates to kickback amongst the interested parties all around the deck!
     
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    It was only for kickbacks only these plans of $10 billion approx for Two new mountain corps were rejected by MoF.Coz VKS was the whistle-blower hence working with him on new plans were dangerous for congress coz they would not have made the cuts in kickbacks.Now VKS gone and pliant chief at helm they have dusted off all those files.Gen dalbir singh suhag's case points to how pliant new chief is.
     
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    You wish to join the kickback race? Welcome .....
     
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    The two cores that will come as accretion is not only China specefic. It is better you start matching those accretion. It is meant to burn your pockets, and definetly to give trouble to your hearts. If I presume correctly.
     
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    Bikram Singh having been the Eastern Army commander would know the requirement to tackle the Chinese in the East and so will be going hell for leather to ensure that a formidable defence and offence capability is built up so that the Chinese know where to get off!
     
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    I don't think that the professional competence of Gen V.K. Singh was ever in doubt. But since he's gone, this will conveniently be the gift of Gen Bikram Singh and Anthony to the nation.

    Sir, what is your opinion on this proposed "logistic branch"? Can this be done or will it be dismissed as "too much change"?
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    it was not only for KICKBACKS ( as you mentioned ) but also for KICKFRONTS !

    kick(the)back(side) is towards pakland and kick(the)front(side) is towards prc-dragon !

    but on a more serious note - this is great news that Minister and Forces chief are working together - inida beginning to get it together perhaps like never before - keep improving india
     
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    We are going to get hit big time.. :)

    All these politician and there collaborators are Anti-National elements..
     
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    I have not read the Paper on the subject and so I cannot comment.

    However, I wonder how one single Logistic Branch can handle such diverse faculties. For instance generalised officer can operate ASC and Ordnance, but he sure would find it difficult to operate an EME unit since only an engineering graduate would understand the equipment and it maintenance and repairs.

    However, having one Branch would cut down on a lot of personnel, both at the supervisory as also hands on levels, to include officers and men.

    In this connection there have been proposals from time to time to do away with the Central Ordnance Deports and fourth echelon ASC and EME facilities. But then it has never come to pass since these facilities employ a huge task force of civil labour and technicians and their unions will create havoc. The loss of job will also have a huge repercussion on votes! So, it is politics at play where the Army cannot be made mean and lean!
     
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    Maybe what they meant was to bring these departments under one roof with autonomy to make sure that the right hand knows what the left is doing, IMO.

    It is somewhat reminiscent of the ill fated case of separating SF from the Parachute Regiment. This is a much bigger deal.
     
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    All over the world there is logistics cadre only. There is nothing known as ASC, EME, etc. If Engineers can be well known and handled by GS Branch why not logistics. It fact this reality is ell recognised by the creation of generalist branch called DG OL. How come IAS successfully run and control the Engineering services of all ministries including national Highways.

    Separation of logistics is good enough upto battalion level where specialist cadres of logistics such as ASC AOC must exist only upto Subedar Majors level. The officers must be from the logistics cadre as per their experiences and qualifications / training.

    Above battalions levels, the brigadiers level positions of logistics such as Brig EME can be from logistics cadre rather than form EME. That will make the logistics cadre more competitive and professional. Say for example Brig EME, Brig AOC may be from the same AOC backgrounds being meritorious in the cadre or Brig ASC may be a guy from gen cadre based on merit but shifted to Logistics.

    Similarly there have to be specific appointments for Logistics cadre at Command and Army HQ level.

    Entry into Logistics cadre should only be after rendering six years of Arms Service only, on confidential recommendation of the CO or on being unfit for the Arms due to aptitude or physical conditions.
    Indian Army even today functions of the concepts of Colonial Time logistics notions. Things have changed quite a lot . Tody's modern Base workshops are Ferozpur, Amritsar, Batala, Ludhiyana, Bhatinda, Leh, Tawang , Pasighats and Dimapurs, Jaisalmer Bhuj etc... why does one need Base workshops, field depot, when these are fully manned by civilians.
    When things would be delivered by trains upto Attari would Indian Army need fourth line transport ?? Air delivery capabilities have gone up tremendously.

    We are no more a colonial country of serfs and peasants. We need fighting hands and not feeding hands. The area we capture would feed us. Tibet, Punjab, Sindh or POK would feed the Indian Army. Why worry ??
     
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  13. Ray

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    REME continues to be separate to the best of my knowledge.

    Maybe difficult if the enemy followed the Scorched Earth policy.

    Water can also be poisoned!
     
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