Army likely to replace the ITBP along LAC with China

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Para or no Para but there is nothing military about any CPO.....

alongside - Ha Ha Ha

there are many along side including Home Guards...

Scoutes and Guides and even NCC...

However, I can understand a policemens craze to be called military ////

Like Armed battalion in Bihar calling itself Military Police...

Or a non vegetarian eating joint in Tamilnadu calling itself Military Hotel.....
 
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Here you go, @Bhadra-ji:

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Example: The BSF was involved in COIN in J&K. So, it was acting as an auxiliary to the IA. So, BSF is para-mlitary, whether GoI defines it such, or not. Ditto with CRPF.
COIN is a police job and not primary job of military..... doing COIN does not make a police force military...
 
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COIN is a police job and not primary job of military..... doing COIN does not make a police force military...
I disagree. COIN can be done by anyone. Rashtriya Rifles is not a police force. They are involved in COIN. I am curious to know how you came to that deduction. No, COIN does not make a Police Force military, and calling a paramilitary force Police Force, does not change it's de facto paramilitary duties.
 

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I disagree. COIN can be done by anyone. Rashtriya Rifles is not a police force. They are involved in COIN. I am curious to know how you came to that deduction. No, COIN does not make a Police Force military, and calling a paramilitary force Police Force, does not change it's de facto paramilitary duties.
Our digagreement does mot matter. Nor your calling them Paramilitary is of any consequences.

CRPF out of all the central police Forces is the most ill epuipped and most disorganised force meant primarily for internal securty. However used primarily as a force to provide guards at the house of every TOM and Dick in civil administration.

They are Chalate Raho Pyaare..... basically a dunda weilding constabulary... meant to be personal attendants of all civilian bereaucrates and police officers.

Expecting them to do COIN is an over statement. They can not even do roit control. May after twenty years ......

:lol::lol::lol::
 

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CRPF is called as policing force because they come under home ministry and not ministry of defence,....and yes their primary objective is for internal security not anti-terrorist or border security.
 

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Our digagreement does mot matter. Nor your calling them Paramilitary is of any consequences.

CRPF out of all the central police Forces is the most ill epuipped and most disorganised force meant primarily for internal securty. However used primarily as a force to provide guards at the house of every TOM and Dick in civil administration.

They are Chalate Raho Pyaare..... basically a dunda weilding constabulary... meant to be personal attendants of all civilian bereaucrates and police officers.

Expecting them to do COIN is an over statement. They can not even do roit control. May after twenty years ......

:lol::lol::lol::
You are correct. Our disagreement does not matter.

What matters is Rashtriya Rifles is primarily engaged in COIN in J&K.
 

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To take on China, ITBP may get dedicated air support

NEW DELHI: In the backdrop of the recent face off between Indian and Chinese forces in Ladakh and the superior preparedness of the latter, home ministry is pushing for dedicated air support to be given to Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). The force at the moment is dependent on Indian Air Force (IAF) for air maintenance (delivery of supplies) of its remote border outposts. The push for fresh acquisitions also includes 500 odd vehicles that the force is short of.
To take on China, ITBP may get dedicated air support - The Times of India
 

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Keep army out of patrolling and border post manning. Let them not waste their enegy in these simplistic tasks.

Arm ITBP well and supply them with their dedicated helicopters and trucks. They will be sufficiently more effective. More important is building border roads and infrastructure.

Army units should be in the vicinity and their presence in the area should be let known to the Chinese.
 

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what will lion will do without teeth

meaningless until we provide them teeth
 

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Good to know there is a delibration to replace ITBP if they cant do the duties as per the current situation.

Restructuring of Armed forces needs to be done and no use of wasting resources.
 

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You are correct. Our disagreement does not matter.

What matters is Rashtriya Rifles is primarily engaged in COIN in J&K.
Sir,

That is the most unfortunate reality the country is faced with that its police forces fail to carry out effectice COIN operations and then Army is pushed into those operations.

Rashtrya Rifles being engaged in COIN in J&K is the outcome of that reality....

By the way the idea behind creation of RR was something very different and it was absolutely miltary in nature. RR was to be created out of retired Army men and was meant to be Para military Forces to be employed under MoD.

RR was meant to be fighting a war with Pakistan at all levels - internal areas, on raods and at important installations all over while fighting a war with Pakistan on borders simulteniously.

However, when the CRPF and BSF failed in SriNagar and other populated places, there were jitters and RR was allowed to be a deputationist forces consisting of regulars.

(You are forcing me to puke too much.)

RR is an area specefic force which CRPF is not - in it is NO Area capable -- Dantewada, Maharshtra and Orrissa proves that..

But I still say sabash to them and add - Chalate Raho Pyare... till you become a good COIN force .. wo subaha kabhi to aayegi..
 
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Re: Army may replace ITBP on Sino-India border

The military is under the Ministry of Defence. ITBP is under the Ministry of Home Affairs. Therein lies the difference.

The difference is also between military and para-military.
The origin of para-military is in the suspicion between political and military leadership.

The para-military being a "police force" is completely in control of civilians, and thus political leadership.

The RR and Assam Rifles are exceptions as these have very high integration with the Army.

ITBP is basically a light armed infantry force which has limited use in war situation. However its is adequate for policing (patrolling) borders.
 

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I doubt the government will remove ITBP. The other alternative is BSF which is similar to ITBP.
 

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