ARMY HQs ISSUES LETTER TO CLARIFY CORRECT USE OF TERM 'RETD'

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  1. Singh

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    @Singh,

    Thanks.

    Good thing.

    It is not retired officers who are using, it is the serving all ranks who are doing this error.

    Just to ape the Americans, there was this style which crept in having the name as Lt Gen (R) ABC.

    I have always used my name as 'Rank Name Decorations (Retd)' since all the issues continues till death and thereafter.

    I am glad better sense is prevailing these days.

    Even the manner in which the Demi Official Letters are being addressed is wrong, since the manner in which it is addressed appears as in an official missive.

    A demi Official letter, is a letter than contains official issues, but stated in a one to one manner and in a semi informal and personal way.
     
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    Did Gen VK Singh err while taking oath as minister? - The Times of India

    NEW DELHI: The Army headquarters says soldiers retain their rank even after they retire from service, as TOI reported on Monday. Not only that, their ranks are valid even after their demise.

    The Army headquarters in a circular said: "Of late it has been observed that retired officers are mentioning the word 'Retd' after their rank which is incorrect. Ranks of service officers are granted by the President of India and valid not only during their lifetime but also after their demise. The privilege is only given to service officers."

    Therefore, it is wrong to add the prefix "retired" (or the short form "retd") before their name after the rank, e.g. General (Retired) John Doe.

    However, some service officers seem to be unaware of this detail. This may include even high-ranking officers.

    General VK Singh, who retired as the 24th chief of the Army staff, could be one such officer.

    Gen Singh's brief profile on the Lok Sabha website shows his name as "Singh, Gen. (Retd.) Vijay Kumar". See screenshot below:

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    While taking oath of office and secrecy as a Union minister in the Modi government on May 26, 2014, he described himself as "I, General (Retired) VK Singh ..."

    Does that make his oath technically invalid?

    :doh: :doh: :doh:

    These fck!ng idiots of TOI doesn't have anything else to report? :mad:
     
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    Rank never retires, officer does: Army

    Rank never retires, officer does: Army - The Times of India

    CHANDIGARH: Long after an officer retires, or even expires, he is still known by his rank.

    Supporting the view that 'the rank never retires, the officer does, the Army has issued instructions that aim to immortalize the rank.

    With a view to remove any confusion among the retired Army personnel regarding the use of word 'retired', the Army headquarters has clarified that instead of prefixing the word 'Retd.' to an officer's name, now his address would have the suffix 'Retd.'

    "Of late it has been observed that retired officers are mentioning the word 'Retd' after their rank which is incorrect. Ranks of service officers are granted by the President of India and valid not only during their lifetime but also after their demise. The privilege is only given to service officers," read the circular issued by the directorate general of staff duties department of Army General Service (GS) branch.

    The circular, issued on July 21 by the Army has informed all the officers, "the correct form of mentioning Retd is Brigadier ABC (Retd) not Brig (Retd) ABC".

    The letter issued by Colonel J S Bindra, director staff duties-I on behalf of deputy chief of Army staff has been issued for circulation on the places, which are largely visited by the ex-servicemen so that they can start the new practice.

    The Army officers are entitled to retain their rank before their name by virtue of Article 18 of the Constitution, according to which the military ranks can be retained and used by the military personnel with their name.

    According to veteran soldiers, it is for the first time that the Army authorities have issued such ccircular regarding the usage of the word 'retired'.

    War veteran and one of the founders of Army's special forces, Col K D Pathak (Retd) said that circular would certainly remove confusion among the veterans. "Rank never retires, it is an officer that retires. The army should have issued such circulars much earlier," says the veteran soldier.

    Former commander of Army's Northern and Central commands, Lt Gen H S Panag (Retd) said that it was a contentious issue among the retired officer about the proper way of using the work retired and circular would certainly remove the confusion.

    However, eminent veteran and former Army Commander Western Command, Lt Gen P N Hoon (Retd) is of the view that the word retired should not be used by the officers either prefix or suffix.

    "Rank is earned by an officer and like the civilian awardees of Padam Bhushan do not write retired after the honour, why should Army officers write retired after their rank or name," Hoon added.

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    @Ray @Kunal Biswas @pkroyal
     
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    Relax, will ya!! Why should that would make the oath 'technically' or otherwise invalid. It is the person 'Vijay Kumar Singh' who got elected and took oath, whatever the 'Title' put as prefix whether 'Mr.', 'Sri' or 'Sriman' or 'Genral(Rtd.)' or 'Rtd. General' - doesn't matter.
     
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    The Army officers are entitled to retain their rank before their name by virtue of Article 18 of the Constitution, according to which the military ranks can be retained and used by the military personnel with their name.
     
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    Re: Rank never retires, officer does: Army

    Correct.

    The rank never retires. It is the Officer who retires.
     
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    How one can relax by reading such a nonsense thing?

    Absolutely. That was the point however, I didn't write that in my prior post.
     
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    Re: Rank never retires, officer does: Army

    This is a very good move... Quite motivational....
    #Respect
    :india::india::india::india::india:
    :Salute:
     
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    Since a fauji is seldom tired how can he become retired ?

    Rank is an honour & needs to be adorned & carried with gravitas !

    How come the columns for filling up standard forms have only, Mr / Mrs / Ms / Dr as prefix options available ?

    High time, rank became part of passport & PAN Card as well.
     

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