Army chief opposes PM's trip to Pak

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    Army chief opposes PM's trip to Pak

    NEW DELHI: Any hope Pakistan may have nurtured that a visit by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh could open the door for a "deal" on Siachen has been dashed, with Army chief Gen Bikram Singh being as opposed to the idea as all his predecessors before him.

    In his maiden interaction with the press, Gen Singh clearly stated the ground rules on a border agreement. And they don't include any troop withdrawal from the Siachen heights. "There is no change in our view at all. We must continue to hold that area...We have lost lot of lives and shed a lot of blood there. The positions are of strategic importance to us. We have conveyed our concerns to the government,'' he said. It will be difficult for the Indian government to accept anything less.

    Pakistan is hopeful of Singh's visit before it goes to the polls. Singh himself is keen to visit Pakistan, and has not shied away from making his interest known. With this in mind, Islamabad has pushed New Delhi hard this year to do a deal on Siachen. Pakistan has even delayed talks on the Sir Creek issue in order to mount pressure on India for a Siachen pact.

    Returning from Iran after the NAM summit, the PM hinted that a Sir Creek agreement was "doable" but he was silent on Siachen. There is little chance of Singh going to Pakistan this year. His position is very different from Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who had visited Pakistan twice in his five years despite a Kargil and a Parliament attack as well as a disastrous Agra summit between them.

    Primarily, it's because the nature of terrorism from Pakistan has changed substantially in the past decade. But mostly, it's because Mumbai changed the discourse in a way that will make it difficult for a summit level visit without Pakistan taking demonstrable steps against terrorism. The political atmosphere in India is fragile enough that a concession to Pakistan would be interpreted as a betrayal. The UPA has already taken several knocks after the Sharm-el-Sheikh joint statement with Pakistan in 2009. In the forthcoming state elections, political managers fear a PM visit to Pakistan could be battered on nationalistic lines.

    There is cross-spectrum acceptance on trade concessions and people-to-people contacts with Pakistan. But there is no room for a concession on Siachen because it ties in with India's larger strategic outlook, particularly regarding the China-Pakistan nexus. India's occupation of the Siachen heights gives it a unique advantage that it does not want to relinquish.

    Officials said India's position on Siachen had neither hardened nor softened for years. But Pakistani Army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani had said twice in a month (May) that Pakistan wants the Siachen issue to be solved and India had "toughened" its stand asking for a demarcation, which was seen here as a pressure tactic. Ideally, a Siachen agreement should be part of a broad agreement of the border, but Pakistan is yet to agree to that.

    "We have been consistent on the steps necessary before demilitarization of Siachen can be carried out. We won't give up the advantage we enjoy without a very credible, and verifiable, commitment from their side," a senior Indian Army officer told TOI recently. Another officer pointed out that India has repeatedly pointed out that any demilitarization should be preceded by delineation of Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL), authentication of the line and military positions on maps to be exchanged between the two countries, an end to wrong projection of AGPL in each other's maps, drawing up framework for demilitarization and as final step withdrawal of troops from the glacial heights. "They are reluctant to agree to our suggestions," another senior military official said.

    The core of the difference between the two sides is this: India wants Pakistan to authenticate positions on the AGPL before any talk of demilitarization or withdrawal. Pakistan is pushing a four-point plan that includes demilitarization, withdrawal of troops, delineation and authentication. India is unwilling to do this.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-chief-opposes-PMs-trip-to-Pak/articleshow/16482507.cms
     
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    Looks like Man Mohan Singh is in hurry to get his Noble Peace Prize, he know's his days are numbered :rolleyes:
     
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    either the news is false
    or operator was drunk(as most of time when reporting about pakistan)

    BECAUSE THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ARMY CHIEF TO INTERFERE IN GOVT ISSUES IN INDIA(even if they do this is a natural truth for indians)
     
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    Where does it says "Army chief opposes PM's trip to Pak" except for headline?

    or maybe I need to check with my optician ? :notsure:
     
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    Demilitarize PoK first and then India should talk of Siachin~:rolleyes:
     
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    Pakistani army and Terrorists are one and same. So even if PA is out terrorists are still inside POK.
     
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    The Headline is sensational as is the case with all newspapers.

    The Army Chief is NOT against the PM going to Pakistan. In fact, he is no one who can stop the PM from going where he wants or doing what he wants.

    He has merely told the PM that Siachen is a no go because of strategic reason and because if Pakistan does a Kargil in Siachen when IA has vacated, then there is no hope in hell to get it back. If that is fine by the PM, then it can be fine for the PM but not for the Army and I am sure, he must have told him to give such an order in writing.

    Anyone who understand strategy and High Altitude Warfare and how much one can trust Pakistan, would know that demilitarising Siachen is committing harakiri! At least, harakiri is done for saving honour, while in the case, it would only be inviting dishonour!

    That would have sealed the last nail in the coffin.
     
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    As long as China keeps spoon feeding the thugs in ISI and PA, I personally do not see any change in Pakistan's stand on Sianchen and Kashmir issue. Bharatvarsh should stand firm and keep the area's off the diplomatic table talks. First deliver those thugs from previous war crimes and terror attacks than we will think of taking the next step.
     
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    misleading subject line...
     
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    Well technically MMS is not even our PM so what Gen. Singh has said doesn't even reflect upon him. :D

    I found it shocking as well at first when I read the headline.

    However if this is true, I fully support the Army.

    The Armed forces are any day more reliable than this sell-off that we Indians unfortunately have to call a "government".
     
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    Gen BK singh simply stated the army's position. TOI being the tabloid it is sensationalized the news. Good for sales. -----s realizing how Siachen will always remain with India will wail and cry and bitch and moan till the cows come home.
     
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    Media living off hormonal sensations? More stupid titles from TOI .. :tsk:
     
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    True, Indian army chief has no aukat as pak army chief.


    BTW he was giving suggestion not an order
     
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    Once again, Indian media trying to paint Indian army in bad light by making them look like Pak army..
     

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