Armed forces feel left out of national security decision

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  1. Tshering22

    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    In what proves to be further evidence against the ruling government's dictatorial and disastrous thought process with (dis) regard to national security, the following has been the recently emerged case:

    Armed forces feel left out of national security decision | idrw.org

    India’s armed forces feel left out of the country’s national security decision-making process and have now demanded a greater role for themselves considering their domain knowledge.

    This has been conveyed by the three services chiefs to a government-constituted Task Force on National Security under former cabinet secretary Naresh Chandra, according to sources here.

    In particular, it was former Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik who in service told the Task Force, in his capacity as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee, that the armed forces did not feel part of the decision-making process.

    Writing to Naresh Chandra, Naik had, in fact, pointed out that the three services had been reduced to mere proposer of plans to the defence ministry, while discussion on the plans was done among the bureaucrats and only decisions were intimated to them for a comment or input.

    Finally, though, the armed forces inputs never reached the defence minister and the country’s political leadership and the approved plans do not reflect their views, he is reported to have said.

    To offset this gap, the three services chiefs are believed to have suggested to the Task Force that three separate departments be created in the defence ministry for the army, navy and air force for better clarity of issues and understanding of military matters.

    These departments would be over and above the four existing departments of defence, defence production, defence finance and ex-servicemen welfare.

    The armed forces chiefs have also asked that certain directorates and divisions such as the one on international military cooperation must have officers from the three services driving them.

    Under the present establishment and government rules, the defence of India is the responsibility of the country’s defence secretary and not the armed forces. The services want the present system to change, and favoured creation of the five-star position of chief of defence staff only after the role of the office was defined clearly.

    This, they felt, would help in expediting armed forces’ proposals and plans — critical for defence of the country and for acquiring strategic reach and capabilities — that otherwise get caught in red tape.
     
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  3. lemontree

    lemontree Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    This is the reason our country faces external and internal threats time and again.

    In 1976 during the Entebe hijack crisis, the IDF was involved in the decision making right from the onset of the crisis. The results were all of us to see. In contrast, during the IC 814 hijack, the defence establishment was kept out of the decision making loop by the government. The result - we faced humiliation and defeat and were seen as a weak nation.
     
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    Why do sr army guys cower before the govt officials ? is it for plum postings ?
     
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    Chain of Command?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Military was always kept out of the loop.

    The Govt, which has no military man to understand the way how the military operates, decide everything.

    It is only when they are up shit-creek that they push the Military into the fray to only realise that the Military has no wherewithal, thank to them and the fool bureaucrats and civilian think tanks!

    If you don't believe me, ask Nehru.

    Try Plancette to contact this great leader of ours!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    They don't cower actually.

    But they are not heard, even if they have something to say.

    Have you noticed how the Chiefs are resorting to media interviews? And the Govt trying its best to muzzle them?

    JJ and to some extent Deepak K were the last of those who whimpered. JJ became a Governor, thanks to Mickey Manmohan. DK was covered with faeces because of his shenanigans and so lost out a plum.

    Arun Prakash (from my squadron), Sureesh (my coursemate) and my boy Naik (youngster in my squadron ) made us proud! They remain happily retired without a plum!
     
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    sob Moderator Moderator

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    Further this Date of Birth controversy of the COAS also seems manipulated by some elements in the MOD.
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    US generals on active duty usually get into trouble in media interviews. After retirement, they usually show up on Fox News.:)
     
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    yes, but US generals have lot of say in military decisions, partly because the many politicians are themselves retired militarymen who understand military matters, it is not so in india.....
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    What a farce.

    Age controversy : Is Gen VK Singh paying the price for being honest?

     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Chief's age controversy is politically motivated.

    The rule is simple.

    The AG's branch is the sole repository of the record of service details of Army officers.

    Their record supersedes any discrepancies in other department as per the procedures.

    The MS Branch's record is null and void.
     
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    It would have been better, if there was no controversy.
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    Or else they would be fired, won't get pensions in time, in proper amount and would be harassed by UPA-hired goons once they are no longer in the Army. It is fear for personal safety and the safety of their family members.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    They don't cower before the Govt officials.

    It is just that the Ministers are bounden to the bureaucrats for reasons we all know and the bureaucrats know how to scuttle issues.
     

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