Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1

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    Officials from Argentine aerospace company Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) told IHS Jane's at the 2013 Paris Air Show they have had multiple discussions with Chinese officials over potential co-production of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 multirole combat aircraft.

    Discussions are far from concluded, with FAdeA officials saying "technology transfer" issues remain a sticking point. Nonetheless, the discussions are the first formal effort that could lead to the co-production of a modern Chinese fighter in Latin America. FAdeA officials said the co-produced FC-1 could be called the 'Pulqui-III', recalling FAdeA's Pulqui-II, Latin America's first swept wing jet fighter, which was designed by Germany's Kurt Tank for the government of Juan Peron.

    Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1 fighter - IHS Jane's 360
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    the more the orders for jft we get.more will be available the funds for much better upgrades

    how good are the relations between argentina and france?are they good
     
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    Good for JFT,
    What shall be the order quantity, any idea?

    I think, any nation trying to add more than two squadron, would want production or assembly in their respective country.
    Though they are negotiating with China for a tailor made specification for them,but it will bring necessary revenue for the cash strapped program.

    Any news on Nigeria, I think she was also interested. But probably she also will be acquiring through China.
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    Not known but we can guess this from the official statement.

    from the below they are very much sure that atleast they will get order from 1 customer this year.and wll also involve considerable numbers

     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    Sale will be of China or China Pakistan both ?

    Technology transfer with China so money will be paid to China
     
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    Sir, I think only China.
    Only benefit that Pakistan will get is that it will generate funds for further development.
    The development was going ahead with snail pace as Pakistan was broke and China was non committal.

    With F-7 assembly line closing ( with last being delivered to Bangladesh)
    This is the cheapest in the market.
    FC-1 is truly the Mig-21/F-7 replacement and is targeting those customer who would want to replace their old MiG-21 or F_7 or add low cost fighter.
    Typically the MIG-21/ FC-7 market.
    So, in all it is targeted to replace the MIG-21/ F-7 world over
    But sadly the part owners of FC1/ JF17 think LCA is MiG 21++

    Skewed assumption by them but nothing unusual.
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    If buying Chinese Android you think you will get Samsung quality at Chinese price, you will be fool of highest order, specially if the product is being used for military purpose.
     
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    BTW Argentina is great addition to Junk fighter family we can get SD 10 secrets from Argentina.
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    Pakistan will get half the share of the profit.

    The argetinian guys on there forums are saying that they will get a modified JFT with french avionics and MICA.

    now i am not sure whether this is true or not.neither do i know how good are the relations between France and argentina
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    post the agreement where it says you will get half share of profit of FC1
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    from a argentina forum.

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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    Don't you forget that the 8 SBP were gift from China
    and the rest 42 were from " seller's credit"

    Please describe the term seller's credit.Your answer lies there.

    Also, the best thing Pakistan, can wish is the funds for further development.
    If you think, you will get half the revenue for independent work, that's not going to happen.

    Also, it's obvious that Argentina will ask for modified FC-1
    No country except Pakistan will accept JF_17 in its present configuration.
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    Go to JFT thread.browse the last few pages.read the official interview of PAF official to janes
     
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    ok i got it.

    read the last para

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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    gift from china?why are indians so good at joking?

    we will pay them.

    we will get half the share of revenue.as per some sources pakistan funded more than 60% of the total development cost.
    as per the image above they will get the JFT 2 with fixed IFR and french avionics/mica
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    Notice that its Farhan who has added JF17 to the thread title while original says FC1 only and the talks are between the Argentines and Chinas Chengdu facility and nothing to do with Pak.
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    sir jii read it again.

    i didnt added jft to it..

    Since JFT is not for export and will always be superior to the export variant fc-1
     
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    Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

    Firstly prove me otherwise that you are going to pay for the 8 SBP.

    Secondly as you mentioned
    You will, but look at your pocket, it is burnt and the burn has created a deep hole.

    Now, JFT was originally to be equipped with western avionics in block 1 but I don't see it now?
    France don't provide things for free.

    But you conveniently gave the term " seller's credit" a miss.

    Please enlighten this poor soul, why was it used in the context of JFT.

    Also, please tell me why was 2011 talks between Pakistan and China to provide 50 addl. JFT in quick time failed.
     
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    where he says they will give you half share of profits ??

    plus they are buying manufacturing line, so PAF wont be of much help to them.
     
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    FC-1 or JF-17, different designations for the same aircraft. Being one of the major partners of joint project, Pakistan is entitled to share the revenue.

    Orders from other coutries are gonna prove the feasibility of the continuing development of FC-1, and with more fund we are getting from the sale, the process of upgrading FC-1 is very likely to be fastened.

    It's a good news for both China and Pakistan.

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